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[Captain Tightpants]

But I would really really really like it if the title was SHATTERHAND

Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew!

[coco1997]

But I would really really really like it if the title was SHATTERHAND

Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew!

Do you have any ideas for some "Fleming-ish" titles, Captain?

[BlackFire]

The Property of a Lady

[Harmsway]

But I would really really really like it if the title was SHATTERHAND

Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew!

What's wrong with SHATTERHAND? It's pure Fleming, it's catchy, and it falls in the great tradition of the bizarre one-word titles (GOLDFINGER, THUNDERBALL, MOONRAKER, GOLDENEYE). It's my favorite of the remaining Fleming-derived title possibilities.

Much better than THE HILDEBRAND RARITY, RISICO, or PROPERTY OF A LADY, at any rate.

[Quantumofsolace007]

But I would really really really like it if the title was SHATTERHAND

Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew!

What's wrong with SHATTERHAND? It's pure Fleming, it's catchy, and it falls in the great tradition of the bizarre one-word titles (GOLDFINGER, THUNDERBALL, MOONRAKER, GOLDENEYE). It's my favorite of the remaining Fleming-derived title possibilities.

Much better than THE HILDEBRAND RARITY, RISICO, or PROPERTY OF A LADY, at any rate.

it would be interesting if you put Shatterhand up against the other 4 fleming titles which would get the most votes.

The Hildebrand Rariry, Risico, The Property of a lady, and Shatterhand are all good titled in my opnion.

i'd be happy with any of them.

i want another rocker theme though.

[Mister E]

But I would really really really like it if the title was SHATTERHAND

Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew!

What's wrong with SHATTERHAND? It's pure Fleming, it's catchy, and it falls in the great tradition of the bizarre one-word titles (GOLDFINGER, THUNDERBALL, MOONRAKER, GOLDENEYE). It's my favorite of the remaining Fleming-derived title possibilities.

Much better than THE HILDEBRAND RARITY, RISICO, or PROPERTY OF A LADY, at any rate.

Yes it really is. I am all for SHATTERHAND.

[Double-Oh Agent]

1. The gunbarrel at the beginning with Craig walking slower and remaining stationary after firing.

2. The return of Daniel Kleinmann for the main title designing.

3. The return of Q, Moneypenny, and Bill Tanner.

4. A couple of gadgets.

5. Less tight shots and super quick cuts and no shaky cam.

6. Bond beds more than 1 woman.

7. The return of the line: "Bond, James Bond."

8. A couple of new countries Bond has never been to such as Australia, South Africa, and Ireland.

9. A truly menacing henchman.

10. A film based on a continuation novel.

[Mister E]

9. A truly menacing henchman.

Yes I think for Bond 23 we should return to the outstanding henchman.

[Sir James Moloney]

But I would really really really like it if the title was SHATTERHAND

Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew!

What's wrong with SHATTERHAND? It's pure Fleming, it's catchy, and it falls in the great tradition of the bizarre one-word titles (GOLDFINGER, THUNDERBALL, MOONRAKER, GOLDENEYE). It's my favorite of the remaining Fleming-derived title possibilities.

Much better than THE HILDEBRAND RARITY, RISICO, or PROPERTY OF A LADY, at any rate.

Yes it really is. I am all for SHATTERHAND.

SHATTERHAND is pure Fleming bravado, it has an exotic, brave and utter cool ring to it, and when was the last time the villain´s name was the title of a film? That´s right - Goldfinger (not counting with TMWTGG), the third Connery film. So now, for Craig´s third, why not a villain´s name? I say 007 SHATTERHAND is the one Cmon EON, be bold again, Fleming titles pay off, just look at the publicity (bad or good). Besides, rooting and surrounding Craig´s Bond with Fleming titles and themes is the way to keep going

And Harms suggestion of bring back a bit more of the Fleming-style touch of the bizarre is realy the way to go. Le Chiffre´s eye bleed was sinister, I miss the sinister and bizarre, like a giant squid, or a garden of death.

(And for the henchman, why not Matt Damon? )

Edited by Sir James Moloney, 18 November 2008 - 02:32 PM.

[BlackFire]

Shatterhand would mean the end of the 007 logo in the title like Casino and Quantum.

I think it's a cool Craig's era signature.

What does shatterhand stands for by the way?

Edited by BlackFire, 18 November 2008 - 03:19 PM.

[tdalton]

Shatterhand would mean the end of the 007 logo in the title like Casino and Quantum.

I think it's a cool Craig's era signature.

What does shatterhand stands for by the way?

Shatterhand is Blofeld's alias in Fleming's You Only Live Twice.

I think that it would be a fantastic title for a Bond film, and actually like the fact that they wouldn't be able to use the 007 logo as a part of the title.

[Daddy Bond]

I would like to see Q back on the following conditions:
#1 - That it contributes to the overall plot and is not a mere distraction.
#2 - That Q NOT say, "Now, pay attention 007." Craig is not that kind of Bond.
#3 - That Q intentionally give him gadgets that are purposefully designed for what Q anticipates that Bond will face on that given mission. In other words, don't just give Bond an exploding pen that just so happens to get used. Give him and underwater breather like in Thunderball when it's likely he's going to be underwater during a mission.
#4 - Make the gadgets clever, but realistic, not fantasy.

I wouldn't mind Moneypenny back under the following conditions:
#1 - That it doesn't distract from the flow of the plot.
#2 - That if Bond flirts with Moneypenny he does so for fun, with a lighthearted attitude, and not as a mere tease.

I would like to hear one or two solid renditions of the Bond theme during the movie, but PLEASE don't overuse it.

I definitely want the gunbarrel back at the beginning.

I would like an improved, more Bondian song for the credits, maybe (maybe) even an instrumental piece (as in Dr. No, FRWL or OHMSS). However, I wouldn't mind Depeche Mode.

I would like to see them continue to be creative with their title sequences and not simply mimic previous titles. I like them to mix it up, try something new.

I would like to hear Craig say, "Bond, James Bond", but only if it is natural and fits the situation.

I would like to see Bond in M's office. I think this should be Dench's last outing however. How about killing her off as an integral part of the plot?

And that's about it.

HOWEVER, I think the direction of CR and QoS has given us two of the best Bond movies EVER, SO, I don't want any of the elements to interfere with making a great Bond movie, EXCEPT I defintely want the gun barrel back at the beginning.

[shadytreewejustdoredyouract]

My list

1. Gun barrel back at top of the movie.

2. David Arnold to collaborate with whoever does the title song - preferably with Don Black doing the lyrics

3. A pre-credits with 007 wrapping up a mission as the fully formed top of his game Bond that Connery is at the start of Goldfinger

4. A Rosa Klebb style villainess high up in Quantum.

5. DC's Bond having a real how-the-hell-is-he-going-to-get-out-of-this moment like the laser in Goldfinger

6. Bond in New York

7. James and Felix working together versus Quantum

8. Bond having to use his ingenuity rather than just his brute force as he battles Quantum

9. A specıalıst elite of Quantum assassins - to rival the 00 section

10. The return of Q branch - we are in the 21st Century after all. The poor guy shouldn't have to do everything on his tod just because the series got carried away in the past.

11. The title track played again at the end of the movie.

12. The return of David Arnold's fantastic Quantum Night at the Opera theme.

13. And DEFINITELY the return of Danny Kleinman to do the credits.

Shatterhand would mean the end of the 007 logo in the title like Casino and Quantum.

I think it's a cool Craig's era signature.

What does shatterhand stands for by the way?

Shatterhand is Blofeld's alias in Fleming's You Only Live Twice.

I think that it would be a fantastic title for a Bond film, and actually like the fact that they wouldn't be able to use the 007 logo as a part of the title.

Shatterhand is a great title. Fleming but with Daniel Craig balls.

Edited by shadytreewejustdoredyouract, 18 November 2008 - 10:11 PM.

[Sir James Moloney]

Nice ones shady

This one:

"3. A pre-credits with 007 wrapping up a mission as the fully formed top of his game Bond that Connery is at the start of Goldfinger"

Got me thinking. What if, after Bond just (re)gained his quantum os solace, he went on a "regular" mission, only, having his "mojo" back, he handles it the debonair style and fun we saw at the Bahamas scene.

You know...married women, rum and soda, and what about a dance, like the one Bond had with Domino, with some wit like the Bond/Vesper talk. The pre-credits didn´t need to end with a bang (explosion here, not...), maybe something along the lines of a door shutting down like in Goldfinger

[Mister E]

The pre-credits didn´t need to end with a bang (explosion here, not...), maybe something along the lines of a door shutting down like in Goldfinger

Exactly. The GOLDFINGER PTS was larger then life but contained no real large scale action sequences, just one explosion. We get a kick fight in the finale then it ends with Bond simply making his exit by going through a door.

[Sir James Moloney]

The pre-credits didn´t need to end with a bang (explosion here, not...), maybe something along the lines of a door shutting down like in Goldfinger

Exactly. The GOLDFINGER PTS was larger then life but contained no real large scale action sequences, just one explosion. We get a kick fight in the finale then it ends with Bond simply making his exit by going through a door.

I´d really like to see something along those lines, cool, understated, and ending with a shocker line (get it? Positively shocking reference? )

[JackUnion]

I agree with a lot here.
Gunbarrel where it should be!
More James Bond theme
A more classic M office with the Double leather padded doors...and no techno-crap.
Moneypenny and Q.
A lot of you will get grumpy over this, but I'd like to see May, but as Bond's nosy Scottish Land lady. A small seen would be cool.
I want Bond to throw his hat onto the coat rack when he enters the office.
I think it would be cool if Quantum members secretly referred to their head mastermind as 'Shatterhand' with his real identity to be named later..though I wouldn't want to see that as a title.
I want Felix to get horribly injured (but not so much that he's a total lose as an ally). A good motivator for Bond to go blow up!
I want a plot that is global in scale and disaster. I feel like the Villain should be like Hugo Drax, someone Britain, alas the world trusts and thinks of as a hero pioneering something that turns out to be actually very destructive...and only Bond knows.
A skiing Scene.
I'm sure I'll think of others.

[tdalton]

My list:

• A Fleming-inspired title. Either A WHISPER OF HATE or SHATTERHAND would be great.
• Another low-key villain in the mold of Dominic Greene. Perhaps an older villain this time, though, that stays more behind the scenes and just pulls the strings.
• A more serious take on Octopussy's "Most Dangerous Game" scene. I liked a suggestion in another thread about having the scene look as though it's a hunt for sport but having it turn out that Bond is the actual target. Perhaps this could work as a PTS with Quantum members hunting down Bond.
• Gala Brand.
  Spoiler

  One twist that I would have with this one would be to have Bond walk away from Gala at the end of the film rather than the other way around, not wanting to drag her into his world and risk her safety by doing so, which would show that he has learned a lesson from CR and QoS.
• The return of Marc Forster, or the hiring of a director who has a similar style to Forster. I'd like to see BOND 23 retain the artistic qualities that made QoS great.
• A great title song. I think that, after the disappointing title track for QoS, it's time to get U2 to perform the title track for the next film.
• Vivienne Michel and an adaptation of parts of Fleming's TSWLM. Perhaps this could be something we see immediately following the title sequence.

[draxingtonstanley]

Not much to add to what's been stated,but a scene ala the Gumbolt safe(or dare I say it,the Langley scene in Mission Impossible)where Bond has to avoid detection. Really ramped up with tension and no fight with lackeys to relieve the apprehension.

[Harmsway]

• Gala Brand.
  Spoiler

  One twist that I would have with this one would be to have Bond walk away from Gala at the end of the film rather than the other way around, not wanting to drag her into his world and risk her safety by doing so, which would show that he has learned a lesson from CR and QoS.

In what way do you think that that makes sense with Bond's character arc?

• A great title song. I think that, after the disappointing title track for QoS, it's time to get U2 to perform the title track for the next film.

We definitely need a great title song. I'm not sure U2 is the group to do it, though... they're a bit old hat, and they're not the group they once were (which is why I think a group like Muse or Radiohead should ultimately tackle it - they're still at the top of their game).

Otherwise, I think you have some interesting suggestions. At the very least, Vivienne Michel would be worth seeing, even if she was completely divorced from her TSWLM context. And I'm glad to see another shout-out for SHATTERHAND.

[tdalton]

• Gala Brand.
  Spoiler

  One twist that I would have with this one would be to have Bond walk away from Gala at the end of the film rather than the other way around, not wanting to drag her into his world and risk her safety by doing so, which would show that he has learned a lesson from CR and QoS.

In what way do you think that that makes sense with Bond's character arc?

I think that, given the way that QoS ends with Bond realizing the big picture and learning that actions have consequences, this ending could be appropriate.

Spoiler

The film could reach its conclusion with Bond realizing that he can never be with anyone, and rather than the Bond girl willingly walking away from him as in QoS, have Gala Brand practically throwing herself at him at the end of Bond 23 (and Bond actually wanting to be with her as well), but Bond ultimately walks away from her to have her avoid a fate similar to the one that Vesper and Fields met in CR and Qos.

• A great title song. I think that, after the disappointing title track for QoS, it's time to get U2 to perform the title track for the next film.

We definitely need a great title song. I'm not sure U2 is the group to do it, though... they're a bit old hat, and they're not the group they once were (which is why I think a group like Muse or Radiohead should ultimately tackle it - they're still at the top of their game).

Otherwise, I think you have some interesting suggestions. At the very least, Vivienne Michel would be worth seeing, even if she was completely divorced from her TSWLM context. And I'm glad to see another shout-out for SHATTERHAND.

As for U2, I think that they've done some of their best work within the last eight years with "All That You Can't Leave Behind" and "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb". Granted, they're not as good as "Joshua Tree", but they're very good on their own merit. Give me a song in a similar style to "City of Blinding Lights" or "So Cruel" (from "Achtung Baby") and I'd be much happier than I've been with all of the Bond songs dating back to GoldenEye.

[Harmsway]

The film could reach its conclusion with Bond realizing that he can never be with anyone, and rather than the Bond girl willingly walking away from him as in QoS, have Gala Brand practically throwing herself at him at the end of Bond 23 (and Bond actually wanting to be with her as well), but Bond ultimately walks away from her to have her avoid a fate similar to the one that Vesper and Fields met in CR and Qos.

I can see a Bond who runs away from serious relationship (and maybe that's what your suggesting, but the Fields reference throws me off, since that was nothing but an off-the-cuff fling), but I can't accept a Bond who runs away from light affairs.

Bond's a womanizer, and that's one aspect of the character that is non-negotiable. And rather than seeing a Bond who runs away from sex, we need to see the womanizing Bond, with lots of shallow affairs (Craig agrees and has stated in interviews that now we'll see the womanizing Bond in full swing).

As for U2, I think that they've done some of their best work within the last eight years with "All That You Can't Leave Behind" and "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb". Granted, they're not as good as "Joshua Tree", but they're very good on their own merit.

I find both listenable, but kind of forgettable. It doesn't compare to their earlier work.

[tdalton]

The film could reach its conclusion with Bond realizing that he can never be with anyone, and rather than the Bond girl willingly walking away from him as in QoS, have Gala Brand practically throwing herself at him at the end of Bond 23 (and Bond actually wanting to be with her as well), but Bond ultimately walks away from her to have her avoid a fate similar to the one that Vesper and Fields met in CR and Qos.

I can see a Bond who runs away from serious relationship (and maybe that's what your suggesting, but the Fields reference throws me off), but I can't accept a Bond who runs away from sexual flings and light affairs.

Bond's a womanizer, and that's one aspect of the character that is non-negotiable. And rather than seeing a Bond who runs away from sex, we need to see the womanizing Bond, with lots of shallow affairs (Craig agrees and has stated in interviews that now we'll see the womanizing Bond in full swing).

As for U2, I think that they've done some of their best work within the last eight years with "All That You Can't Leave Behind" and "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb". Granted, they're not as good as "Joshua Tree", but they're very good on their own merit.

I find both listenable, but kind of forgettable. It doesn't compare to their earlier work.

The running away from relationships is what I was suggesting there. I just threw Fields in there as an extra example of the consequences of Bond's getting involved in relationships. Now, it's been a long while since I've read Moonraker, so maybe I'm not totally clear on all of what happens with the Gala Brand character, but I'd like to see her wanting a full-on relationship with Bond only to have him walk away at the end of the film.

[Harmsway]

The running away from relationships is what I was suggesting there. I just threw Fields in there as an extra example of the consequences of Bond's getting involved in relationships.

Ah, okay.

Now, it's been a long while since I've read Moonraker, so maybe I'm not totally clear on all of what happens with the Gala Brand character, but I'd like to see her wanting a full-on relationship with Bond only to have him walk away at the end of the film.

In Fleming's MOONRAKER, Bond merely wants to have an affair with Brand, and despite some desire on her part, she turns him down because she's engaged. Bond is then somewhat sad, but acknowledges the wisdom of her choice because he's not the right man for a relationship like that.

While I do hope to see Brand at some point, I do wonder whether this is a bit too much for Craig's third Bond (it would produce three very romantic relationship-focused Bond flicks), and whether they should just take a break from the heavy romance for a bit and try to focus on something else.

I'd very much like to see a very casual affair in BOND 23 as a counterpoint to CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE, but one that's well characterized. I'm hoping to see them use Fleming's "Cardboard Hero" conversation from THUNDERBALL at some point, and I think BOND 23 would be the right time to use it, allowing for a depth of performance and characterization while still allowing the relationship between the two to avoid the weight of heavy romance.

[Sir James Moloney]

I'd very much like to see a very casual affair in BOND 23 as a counterpoint to CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE, but one that's well characterized. I'm hoping to see them use Fleming's "Cardboard Hero" conversation from THUNDERBALL at some point, and I think BOND 23 would be the right time to use it, allowing for a depth of performance and characterization while still allowing the relationship between the two to avoid the stigma of heavy romance.

That would be perfect

PS: I´d like to see Oasis as the title performers, or Franz Ferdinand (or The Who, Pink Floyd, ... )

[Captain Tightpants]

But I would really really really like it if the title was SHATTERHAND

Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew!

What's wrong with SHATTERHAND? It's pure Fleming, it's catchy, and it falls in the great tradition of the bizarre one-word titles (GOLDFINGER, THUNDERBALL, MOONRAKER, GOLDENEYE). It's my favorite of the remaining Fleming-derived title possibilities.

Much better than THE HILDEBRAND RARITY, RISICO, or PROPERTY OF A LADY, at any rate.

I assumed the person suggesting it meant in the context of a character named Shatterhand. In a world where the villains are simple names like Dominic Greene, Alex Dimitrios and Gregg Beam, "Shatterhand" comes acrss as tacky.

And coco, how about DEATH LEAVES AN ECHO as a title? Fleiming used that for a chapter, didn't he?

[Mister E]

I assumed the person suggesting it meant in the context of a character named Shatterhand. In a world where the villains are simple names like Dominic Greene, Alex Dimitrios and Gregg Beam, "Shatterhand" comes acrss as tacky.

Actually Shatterhand sounds cool and excotic along side those rather banal names. Nothing wrong with a little flavour. I would also love to use BROKENCLAW but alas, it's a Gardner novel. *sigh*

And coco, how about DEATH LEAVES AN ECHO as a title? Fleiming used that for a chapter, didn't he?

Sorry but I find that corny.

[Captain Tightpants]

I assumed the person suggesting it meant in the context of a character named Shatterhand. In a world where the villains are simple names like Dominic Greene, Alex Dimitrios and Gregg Beam, "Shatterhand" comes acrss as tacky.

Actually Shatterhand sounds cool and excotic along side those rather banal names. Nothing wrong with a little flavour. I would also love to use BROKENCLAW but alas, it's a Gardner novel. *sigh*

Not "Guntram von Shatterand"? The "Guntram von" bit works, but "Guntram von Shatterhand" is incredibly cheesy.

[Mister E]

I assumed the person suggesting it meant in the context of a character named Shatterhand. In a world where the villains are simple names like Dominic Greene, Alex Dimitrios and Gregg Beam, "Shatterhand" comes acrss as tacky.

Actually Shatterhand sounds cool and excotic along side those rather banal names. Nothing wrong with a little flavour. I would also love to use BROKENCLAW but alas, it's a Gardner novel. *sigh*

Not "Guntram von Shatterand"? The "Guntram von" bit works, but "Guntram von Shatterhand" is incredibly cheesy.

I love it really. Now Von Hammerstein, THAT is cheesy.

[Captain Tightpants]

I'd love to see a car chase between classic racing cars, like the Lotus 49c and the Ferrari 312B at somewhere like Goodwood, or another classic car revival meeting. Kind of like Bond and Goldfinger one-upping each other over golf, Bond and Drax hunting pheseants, Bond and Zorin on horseback and even Bond and Graves over fencing (the one scene I quite liked because I thought it was so innovative that they kept switching weapons, even if they did have an unexplained proficiency in everything from sabre to broadswords to katanas).