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#1 tim partridge

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 12:53 PM

My list:

*A no-frills Commonwealth director

*ABSOLUTELY NO Bourne aping/pandering or crew namedrops

*No more "Bond Begins"

*A nice big traditional gunbarrel opening the film

*An UPLIFTING, crowd cheering pretitles sequence in the vein of the Union Flag parachute/Acrostar escape, leaving you with goosebumps and a big grin on your face

*A Title song that will actually sell records and incorporates the score's main theme

*A leather door on M's office :(

*Moneypenny and Q with NO apologies

*"Bond, James Bond"

*"Shaken, not stirred"

*No directorially stylised special effects, camerawork or editing

*classical camerawork and editing

*Dry British humour

*No exhausted explosions quota

* Miniature special effects

*Bond bedding women, unapologetically

*No self awareness (i.e. None of the cartoony spoofness of DAD, but also no more of the dreary stripping of the "checklist")

*A smaller budget and more invention (though obviously relative to credito crunchos)


We got 80% of what I am requesting here in CASINO ROYALE. I hope they can do it again!

#2 Quantumofsolace007

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 02:34 PM

Alright I'll bit even though chances are i'm going to get yelled at for my choices


A fleming titled film. (the Hildebrand rarity prefferably but at this point any of the 4 I'll take)

Quantum Returning and if we absolutly have to see the head at this point I really would like his name to be Phillip Masters as a nod to the fleming short story.

An amazing Storyline (seems obvious to say that but meh)

I love Casino Roayle and i'm Liking everything about Quantum of solace so if bond 23 is in the same Vein I'm Happy.

Fleming Characters to make it to the big screen Gala Brand the Spang Brothers Fidel Barbery. I just don't like the feeling these characters may never get used.


Bond Playing Texas Hold em again he didn't in Quantum but i want Hold em poker to become Bond's game at least during Daniel Craig's tenure Nothing against Baccarat but I'm a hold em fan and i like seeing bond play hold em.


Yes doing the bond theme. It will never happen cause i highly doubt the bond producers know who yes is. However you asked what i wanted for bond 23 search yes Spirit of Survival on youtube you'll see why i want yes to do a bond theme.


A winter Chase done amazingly. Snowboard prefably as i thought the view to a kill snow chase was nice but the beach boys song ruined the chase.


what else . Craig to be physically fit.

Hot bond girls (I'm not even gonna say who i want here)

amazing locations


what else?

that's about it.

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 18 October 2008 - 02:35 PM.


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Posted 18 October 2008 - 03:48 PM

My list:

*ABSOLUTELY NO Bourne aping/pandering or crew namedrops

*No more "Bond Begins"

*A nice big traditional gunbarrel opening the film

*An UPLIFTING, crowd cheering pretitles sequence in the vein of the Union Flag parachute/Acrostar escape, leaving you with goosebumps and a big grin on your face

*A Title song that will actually sell records and incorporates the score's main theme

*Dry British humour

*No exhausted explosions quota

*Bond bedding women, unapologetically

*No self awareness (i.e. None of the cartoony spoofness of DAD, but also no more of the dreary stripping of the "checklist")


Agree with these ones 100%, the rest just sounded pissy.

#4 MicroGlobeOne

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 04:15 PM

*Moneypenny and Q with NO apologies


I'm most looking forward to this in the upcoming films. I sorely miss Q and Moneypenny. I'm very eager to see the characters reintroduced in a way that is consistent with the Daniel Craig era. Imaginatively done, it could be brilliant!

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 04:39 PM

Not that this is essential to the movies, but I wouldn't mind seeing these:

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 05:10 PM

*A no-frills Commonwealth director

*ABSOLUTELY NO Bourne aping/pandering or crew namedrops

*A nice big traditional gunbarrel opening the film

*An UPLIFTING, crowd cheering pretitles sequence in the vein of the Union Flag parachute/Acrostar escape, leaving you with goosebumps and a big grin on your face

*A Title song that will actually sell records and incorporates the score's main theme

*A leather door on M's office :)

*Moneypenny and Q with NO apologies

*"Bond, James Bond"

*"Shaken, not stirred"

*Bond bedding women, unapologetically


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#7 Quantumofsolace007

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 12:47 AM

and my ideas?

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 08:22 PM

A pretitles sequence that's more or less unrelated to the movie - just Bond on a mission being called back and having to wrap it up in a hurry. Maybe Daniel raiding a ship as a nod to Bond's SBS past.

I agree about the classic editing/camerawork in the action -QoS was fine but I don't think that kind of stuff needs to stick around.

A finale where Bond doesn't raid the villian's hideout alone. I'd like to see him with a small force ala FYEO or OHMSS.

Perhaps Bond in his navy dress blues.

No more M in the field.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 08:48 PM

yeah.Judi Dench is getting older.she should have less screentime.no more on the field stuff.
i agree with the origina poster.100%.
also , i want the Bond theme played in it's entire glory at least once in the movie.Craig deserves this.
no more quick editing.in QoS this thing worked because the pace and the fast cuts reflected Bond's state of mind.the action scenes in CR were perfect.
exotic locations , beautiful babes , the line ,another great performance from Craig , a great villain .
Amen.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 10:46 PM

Bond 23 needs to do the following -

1) Be fairly lengthy again in running time (2 hours at least).

2) Cram as much unused Fleming parts and characters as possible (especially TSWLM, YOLT & TMWTGG).

3) Make Bond more human again like he was in CR. In QoS, he bordered on being Brosnan super human. I'd love to see a scene with him in his Chelsea flat, taking a shower, or eating scrambled eggs. Just doing normal, mundane routine everyday things.

4) Get Arnold to compose the next song, and go for something traditional and classic, rather than edgy and daring. AWTD was just awful, and ranks down there with DAD. We need another Nobody Does it Better again, or a LALD theme.

5) Tone down the Bradley action scenes for the next one. I love them, but many obviously do not.

6) Bring Q and Moneypenny back, and the gadgets, but in a realistic context.

7) Stick the gunbarrel at the beginning.

8) The Bond theme needs to return. In fact, let's have Arnold go all out for a complete John Barry sound in the next one. Less techno, more orchestra. Maybe even have a reprise of the 007 theme too.

9) Keep the humour as it has been for the past 2 films. Subtle and dark.

10) Avoid cheesiness at all costs!!!
(The most important one.)

Edited by Jet Set Willy, 16 November 2008 - 11:00 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2008 - 10:54 PM

I would like the return of the henchman. Since there hasn't been a real one, either in CR or QoS.

I want to see a despicable character throughout the flick as a henchman, only to die Sin City (Yellow Bastard) style at the bare hands of DC.

I want to see Bond beat this guy to a pulp.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:01 PM

Things I want to see:

  • Another interesting director in the Marc Forster vein. My suggestions? Alfonso Cuaron or Joe Wright.
  • A Fleming-derived title. SHATTERHAND's my pick.
  • A title song by Muse.
  • A pre-title sequence in keeping with the short, smart openers in CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.
  • Some stuff of Bond in London, on his free time. We've gotten glimpses of this throughout the franchise, but not a whole lot very recently. I want to see something like the iconic Sylvia Trench meeting in DR. NO - Bond on a break from duty, just enjoying himself.
  • A suspenseful sniper sequence with Bond as the target in some unusual locale. Preferably crowded.
  • A greater dose of the Fleming-style touch of the bizarre.
  • Less location-hopping. I want to see BOND 23 spend greater periods of time in a few locations, giving us time to really get a sense of the atmosphere.
  • A more distinctive, exciting composer than David Arnold.


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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:06 PM

1) The name's Bond.. James Bond in a snowy night.

2) Drinks like a Vesper or Whisky, or Wine or Champagne, but please order a Vodka Martini shaken, not stirred.

3) For the girls, Bond eating Benedict eggs shirtless.

4) Q and Moneypenny with realistic gadgets and more mention/importance to Omega.

5) Gunbarrel opening the movie.

6) Camille

7) M angry with Bond :)

8) Quantum's HQ or an important facility/lair inside an snowy mountain.

9) Fully-loaded DBS :(

10) Original MI6 HQ (BUT PLEASE KEEP THE TOUCH DESK!)

11) Character development.

Let me think more.

Edited by BlackFire, 16 November 2008 - 11:12 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:08 PM

- A female main villain who is all business and doesn't get involved, sexually or otherwise, with Bond. An older woman, though, like Michelle Pfeiffer or Lesley-Anne Down or Rachel Ward. This would be one way to shake things up: have an older woman play a major role - besides Judi Dench.

- An espionage-based thriller plot, with Bond sleuthing.

- A Bond girl who isn't Bond's equal and not even in the spy game. I'm thinking a Kara Milovy type who gets in over her head, and is more vulnerable than kick-:(. But she will be strong in her own way. And she should be American - but someone unknown and/or rising like Amanda Righetti or Shannyn Sossamon or Neve Campbell (such lovely eyes on that girl). Or if they go British, then Justine Whaddell or Sienna Guillory.

- A male henchman to the female villain that is not a lover like Renard was to Elektra.

- Some gadgets - but clever ones, not eyeball-rollers like the farking invisible car from DAD

- A theme song that is actually good. I always thought that Timbaland's APOLOGIZE would have made a good BOnd song. Catchy, sensual, haunting, unforgettable....

Edited by Kristian, 16 November 2008 - 11:11 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:10 PM

My sentiments exactly about the Female villain :(

But where to place Mr. White considering this is a 'sequel'?

Edited by BlackFire, 16 November 2008 - 11:11 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:17 PM

My sentiments exactly about the Female villain :(

But where to place Mr. White considering this is a 'sequel'?



AH!!! IT IS YOU, BLACKFIRE!!! Bitch, you better run because I just sent 005 after you.

No, seriously. I think Mr. WHite should just be an adviser to the Villainess. And what would be cool is if, halfway through the movie, she or her henchman kills him off because he's useless to her. We should know from the get-go that she is sinister and suspect, and not go through the rigmarole that TWINE put us through with Elektra. She should be a true villain in every sense of the word. We knew from the start that Goldfinger, Sanchez, Klebb, Drax, Carver, and Graves were villainous. Let's have this woman be the same way. Unapologetically ruthless and evil.

And let's have the main Bond girl have scenes with her, kind of like a mentor type relationship, but the girl decides to side with Bond. Well, I guess that might be too much like Tatiana and Rosa in FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. I think we need to revive that type of dynamic. Just as Greene had a complex relationship with Camille, I think the Villainess of Bond 23 should have a similarly thorny relationship with the Bond girl.

Shake that formula up, Babs!!!! As long as you serve up the story in BOURNE shaky-cam mold, the audiences will buy anything. Make the women really ROAR in the next one - without turning it into TWINE.

Edited by Kristian, 16 November 2008 - 11:20 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:32 PM

Things I want to see:

  • Another interesting director in the Marc Forster vein. My suggestions? Alfonso Cuaron or Joe Wright.
  • A Fleming-derived title. SHATTERHAND's my pick.
  • A title song by Muse.
  • A pre-title sequence in keeping with the short, smart openers in CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.
  • Some stuff of Bond in London, on his free time. We've gotten glimpses of this throughout the franchise, but not a whole lot very recently. I want to see something like the iconic Sylvia Trench meeting in DR. NO - Bond on a break from duty, just enjoying himself.
  • A suspenseful sniper sequence with Bond as the target in some unusual locale. Preferably crowded.
  • A greater dose of the Fleming-style touch of the bizarre.
  • Less location-hopping. I want to see BOND 23 spend greater periods of time in a few locations, giving us time to really get a sense of the atmosphere.
  • A more distinctive, exciting composer than David Arnold.


Agreed plus I would like to see the action in the movie to be cross between QoS and CR (having it taut and not overlong like in QoS and have it edited like in CR but have a little bit closer to the action than in CR but not as close as QoS so they can still be adrenaline filled). Brand new set of talented writers to sort of getting a fresh new story however I would like to see the production design to stay the same.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:57 PM

1. A traditional gun barrel at the beginning of the film. I want the QoS gun barrel thrown out and the whole thing reshot by Daniel Kleinmen.

2. I want Daniel Kleinmen to also return to creating the main titles. The MK12 experiment was ultimately unsuccessful.

3. To see Bond off duty.

4. To see Bond's flat.

5. Bond's personal Aston Martin DB5.

6. Bond being briefed in M's office.

7. Moneypenny.

8. Q or Major Boothroyd.

9. An expanded role for Felix.

10. A Fleming Title. Property of A Lady or Risico.

11. More sex.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 12:17 AM

My name in the writing credits.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 12:40 AM

-Neil Berger directing

-Keep the dry, subtle humor.

-More undercover work like ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE.

-Title song by Seal, Meatloaf, or Micheal Buble.

-Enlist the person, or persons, who did the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN title sequence.

-Get Robin Beanland to do the score. ( Snowball's chance in hell, I know.)

-Reduce M's interaction with Bond to one personal conversation and the rest of her scenes can be with Cheif of Staff Bill Tanner.

-Make the allies less sympathetic but still charismatic in the vein Darko Kerim Bey in the FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE novel.

11. More sex.


With men. :(

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 12:48 AM

-Enlist the person, or persons, who did the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN title sequence.

It's by Kuntzel and Deygas, and it didn't do much for me.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 12:53 AM

-Enlist the person, or persons, who did the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN title sequence.

It's by Kuntzel and Deygas, and it didn't do much for me.


It did for me and that is the only person that matters. :(

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 08:46 AM

For Bond 23 And Beyond

1)ABSOLUTELY NO Bourne aping/pandering or crew namedrops

2)Traditional Gunbarrel opening the movie(Today's version of Maurice Binder's creation that works, and he would be happy to see if he was still alive)

3)The name's Bond.. James Bond(When he needs to introduce himself to someone in the story, not like in Quantum where he never did that or made to look like he never had the time to do that)

4)Q NOT Major Boothroyd(The way Q should be like, with these kind of thinking and views to how he do things, "I Never Joke About My Work", "If It Had Not Been For Q Branch You Would Have Been Dead long ago", "Grow Up Double O Seven", and "I Always Try To Teach You Two Things, First Never Let Them See You Bleed And Second Always Have An Escape Plan")

5)Miss Moneypenny(A cross between Lois Maxweell and Samantha Bond's)

6)Calling him Commander(never leave that out, but only use when needed. Never make it, that Craig as James Bond never held that rank, and was never in the Royal Navy)

7)The return of the gadgets, with stuff like a superspy car, a cell phone that is not just a cell phone, and what ever the film makers can come up with that is only alittle bit of a eyeball-roller.

8)Shaken, Not Stirred

9)Bond being briefed in M's office if possible

10)A Felix Leiter that is today's version, that looks like Sinatra with a little Texas in him. A little more time on screen like in Thunderball.

11)If David Arnold is unable to do a future movie's score, then they should call in Eric Serra to do it again. Or try John Williams, David Newman, Harry Gregson-Williams and Howard Shore to name some.

12)Give these singers a try for future Bond movie title songs, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Phil Collins and maybe The Who

13)Bond girls that are 33% Bond's equal(like Wai Lin and Natalya Simonova), and 67% not Bond's equal(like Kara Milovy), where the vulnerable part could still come in.

14)Dry British humour

15)Moments where Bond needs to keep drinkig with a shot glass, because something bothering him or on his mine like in TND. But only when it is needed for that storyline. Also back to drinking the high class type wines Bond is known for. None of those drinks young people like to drink in hip club/bar. If they are starting to do that.

16)The James Bond hair cut(If he did have the hair cut in Quantum, I could not tell. But if he didn't then he needs to do that. From Connery to Brosnan you could easyly tell they got the James Bond hair cut when playing the role).

Edited by Syndicate, 17 November 2008 - 08:54 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2008 - 09:55 AM

My list:

*A no-frills Commonwealth director

Why? And name all the ones you think would be apt here.

*ABSOLUTELY NO Bourne aping/pandering or crew namedrops

*No more "Bond Begins"

*A nice big traditional gunbarrel opening the film

Why? The whole film is not predicated on that one 15 second moment.


*An UPLIFTING, crowd cheering pretitles sequence in the vein of the Union Flag parachute/Acrostar escape, leaving you with goosebumps and a big grin on your face

We are not in the late 1970's anymore. There is no point remaking THE SPY WHO LOVED ME eleven times.
*A Title song that will actually sell records and incorporates the score's main theme

*A leather door on M's office :(

Okay. I'll give you that one.
*Moneypenny and Q with NO apologies

*"Bond, James Bond"

Not vital. SOLACE didn't need it
.

*"Shaken, not stirred"

Cliche. The audience don't need something spoonfed to them that they've already seen countless times over. Besides, SOLACE has that moment. It's just not on the nose.

*No directorially stylised special effects, camerawork or editing

Then there is no point hiring a director because they are the creative ringmasters and whether you like their work or not most films tend to not work without them.

*classical camerawork and editing

The David Lean approach to cinematography is lovely and looks great. Though I personally don't want reminded of 1960's Oscar winning literary epics every time I watch a new Bond film. David Lean didn't do a Bond so why should 007 do a David Lean?

*Dry British humour

SOLACE has that in spades.
*No exhausted explosions quota

* Miniature special effects

SOLACE has that in spades too.

*Bond bedding women, unapologetically

Like SOLANGE and FIELDS?

*No self awareness (i.e. None of the cartoony spoofness of DAD, but also no more of the dreary stripping of the "checklist")

*A smaller budget and more invention (though obviously relative to credito crunchos)

Smaller budgets are not the point with Bond.


We got 80% of what I am requesting here in CASINO ROYALE. I hope they can do it again!



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Posted 17 November 2008 - 11:13 AM

Good action sequences well shooted and well edited!


My list:

*A no-frills Commonwealth director

Why? And name all the ones you think would be apt here.

*ABSOLUTELY NO Bourne aping/pandering or crew namedrops

*No more "Bond Begins"

*A nice big traditional gunbarrel opening the film

Why? The whole film is not predicated on that one 15 second moment.


*An UPLIFTING, crowd cheering pretitles sequence in the vein of the Union Flag parachute/Acrostar escape, leaving you with goosebumps and a big grin on your face

We are not in the late 1970's anymore. There is no point remaking THE SPY WHO LOVED ME eleven times.
*A Title song that will actually sell records and incorporates the score's main theme

*A leather door on M's office :(

Okay. I'll give you that one.
*Moneypenny and Q with NO apologies

*"Bond, James Bond"

Not vital. SOLACE didn't need it
.

*"Shaken, not stirred"

Cliche. The audience don't need something spoonfed to them that they've already seen countless times over. Besides, SOLACE has that moment. It's just not on the nose.

*No directorially stylised special effects, camerawork or editing

Then there is no point hiring a director because they are the creative ringmasters and whether you like their work or not most films tend to not work without them.

*classical camerawork and editing

The David Lean approach to cinematography is lovely and looks great. Though I personally don't want reminded of 1960's Oscar winning literary epics every time I watch a new Bond film. David Lean didn't do a Bond so why should 007 do a David Lean?

*Dry British humour

SOLACE has that in spades.
*No exhausted explosions quota

* Miniature special effects

SOLACE has that in spades too.

*Bond bedding women, unapologetically

Like SOLANGE and FIELDS?

*No self awareness (i.e. None of the cartoony spoofness of DAD, but also no more of the dreary stripping of the "checklist")

*A smaller budget and more invention (though obviously relative to credito crunchos)

Smaller budgets are not the point with Bond.


We got 80% of what I am requesting here in CASINO ROYALE. I hope they can do it again!



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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:55 PM

1) Ditch David Arnold. I personally think his scores are too generic and synthesized sounding. Get some really epic moving music. Lets hear the theme music clearly and remake true to the original, again ditch the techno sounding stuff.
2) I understand why we haven't heard it so far, but I'm ready to hear "Bond, James Bond."
3) Start filtering in some of the old characters, Moneypenny and Q.
4) Add a bit more story and dialog, i.e. more CR than QOS
5) Keep Tom Ford on, and always have one tuxedo scene!
6) Skip the hand held, shaking action footage. It has it's place, but we have enough movies doing that.
7) I'm loving the locations, so I would like to see them keep that up.
8) It's been a long time since we've see realistic scenes underwater or in a winter locale. I would like to see one or the other. Actually I think I would prefer something on snow, Bond has to travel to the Alps or something.
9) I agree with another poster, in that I would like to see some scenes from Bonds everyday life, his flat, going to his tailor, playing golf, stuff like that.
10) I still think they should get Matthew Vaughn. The style with which he filmed some of the scenes at the country club in Layer Cake remind me of the classic Bonds. I think he has a classic sense dramatic style that fits the Bond world.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:19 PM

Think nobody has mentioned it... A secret base ala Dr. No Island, YOLT Volcano or MR space station. I know this could be a little off the new down to reality mode of Craig movies, but Quantum should have a nice old fashioned operations center, with sliders to shark pool traps included.

#28 Mister E

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:53 PM

Think nobody has mentioned it... A secret base ala Dr. No Island, YOLT Volcano or MR space station. I know this could be a little off the new down to reality mode of Craig movies, but Quantum should have a nice old fashioned operations center, with sliders to shark pool traps included.


I would like to see the exotic bases return. Maybe some underground bunker.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:55 PM

Things I want to see:

  • Another interesting director in the Marc Forster vein. My suggestions? Alfonso Cuaron or Joe Wright.
  • A Fleming-derived title. SHATTERHAND's my pick.
  • A title song by Muse.
  • A pre-title sequence in keeping with the short, smart openers in CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.
  • Some stuff of Bond in London, on his free time. We've gotten glimpses of this throughout the franchise, but not a whole lot very recently. I want to see something like the iconic Sylvia Trench meeting in DR. NO - Bond on a break from duty, just enjoying himself.
  • A suspenseful sniper sequence with Bond as the target in some unusual locale. Preferably crowded.
  • A greater dose of the Fleming-style touch of the bizarre.
  • Less location-hopping. I want to see BOND 23 spend greater periods of time in a few locations, giving us time to really get a sense of the atmosphere.
  • A more distinctive, exciting composer than David Arnold.


All of that :(

And a glamorous scene like the Bahamas scene in CR where Bond is on the mission, but also having his own fun.
And the return of the DB5, in front of his appartment, the omega PO 42mm on his wrist and the ppk on his shoulder holster while he´s preparing a bourbon in an hotel room, right before he calls downstairs to ask for the breakfast and goes to bed with a revolver under his pillow :)
I´d also like to see the return of Mr. White.
And a giant squid done properly, like Jaws(the movie), we don´t need to actually see the all damn thing.

But I would really really really like it if the title was SHATTERHAND

Edited by Sir James Moloney, 17 November 2008 - 06:56 PM.


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Posted 18 November 2008 - 03:35 AM

Not that this is essential to the movies, but I wouldn't mind seeing these:

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Craig smokes? :(