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[Judo chop]

In response to the original post, the Brosnan hate seems to come from the same 10 people, so there is no need to worry about it.

Oh, Dave.

*sigh*

ps. Are you going to change your name to DaveBond22 after QOS comes out?

[DaveBond21]

In response to the original post, the Brosnan hate seems to come from the same 10 people, so there is no need to worry about it.

Oh, Dave.

*sigh*

ps. Are you going to change your name to DaveBond22 after QOS comes out?

LOL. Can I even change my username?

I stand by what I say though. Take the office I am sitting in now, they are what I would call "casual Bond fans", and love Brosnan and Craig equally.

[Double-0-Seven]

I've always liked Brosnan. My opinion on his films has changed after Casino Royale, but it's mainly due to the fact that I've gotten older and the type of Bond film that I enjoy has changed. I used to love Brosnan's films but now I tend to enjoy the more serious Bond films much more. However, there are some days when I'm in the mood for a Brosnan film. They provide some good action and entertainment, despite the weak scripts.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

Really it's the numbers that have people thinking Brosnan's films are more sucessful and technically they didn't, what counts is the multiple of making said films' money back. Take the THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS vs. DIE ANOTHER DAY as an example. TLD's budget was $40 million and it took 190 mil worldwide. That is nearly five times it's money back. DAD's budget was $142 million and it took 431.9 mil worldwide. That is only a little more then three times it's money back. So the logical conclusion is, THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS was actually more sucessful then DIE ANOTHER DAY.

Agreed. In looking back the fact that Dr. No only cost about $1 million to produce and seeing how things have changed in determining a film's success or failure is really amazing.

[dee-bee-five]

The transient Bond fans are a fickle crowd. Those who loved Moore (then), think his movies are a joke (now). Those who wanted Dalton out (then), missed his acting chops (in retrospect). Those who were on the Brosnan bandwagon, got off it very quickly as soon as the positive news surrounding the media screenings in London and New York for CR came gushing in. Those who hated Craig's looks (from Oct 05 to Oct 06), think him the greatest since Connery. Connery, who was great in the first four, is (now) in his final three. Lazenby was the weakest, but OHMSS is the best, etcetera.

Transient and Fickle. Two words to keep in your vocabulary.

Me, I love all six of 'em! There's something exceptional about each and every one of them.

Possibly the most sensible post in this thread.

From memory, most CBners loved DIE ANOTHER DAY when it opened. Not everyone, obviously, but it did meet with a lot of enthusiasm (and rightly so). Of course, nowadays it's very fashionable in Bond fandom to hate it, but, trust me, there was quite a bit of enthusiasm about it at the time.

This can never be repeated enough. But the Brosnan/DAD bashing will go out of fashion eventually.

[BoogieBond]

I like Brosnan overall. I think he was a good Bond.
I do think he had 2 weak films, in DAD and TND. But that just IMO.
I like Goldeneye a lot, and I find TWINE OK, I do like the first hour of TWINE.
In all 4 though I felt Brosnan was fine, doesn't mean I don't prefer Daniel now, or that I feel either is as good as Kings Sean&Roger, but at the time BDC(Before Daniel Craig) I thought Brozza was fine.

Edited by BoogieBond, 16 September 2008 - 10:49 AM.

[Judo chop]

Is it possible – just possible - that there are some men in this world who are not perfectly suited for playing Bond?

And is it possible - just possible - that EON hired one of these men?

I would like to hear that the possibility, however remote, exists. For if it does, then no one can tell me with total certainty that my feelings that Brosnan was a poor Bond are the result of a weak psyche influenced by a change in scenery.

If the mere possibility exists that Brosnan may have not been the perfect specimen, then it is also possible that THAT REALITY is what I claim to see, and not some illusion caused by social internet pressure and sweeping tides of popular thought.

Instead of bantering back and forth trying to connect people’s opinions to external motives, why not hit the heart of matter? Let’s talk not about ‘all this Brosnan bashing’ and such generals (which only undermine and insult each other) and instead let’s talk about BROSNAN. Let’s pinpoint the details. Go to the “No, Brozza! No!” thread, or the “What’s wrong with the Brosnan era?” thread to cite and read specific flaws. Or go to one of the myriad “Brosnan appreciation” threads to cite and read specific praise.

If someone doesn’t agree with you on a subject matter, it may just be that they see something you don’t. Or maybe not. But don’t assume they are disillusioned. Talk about the subject matter. Don’t develop additional and completely speculative theories to explain unwanted opinions away so that yours are the only ones left standing.

[David_M]

Transient and Fickle. Two words to keep in your vocabulary.

I can't forget them. They're my attorneys.

[Mister Asterix]

Can we all agree that as much hatred as there may be for Brosnan now doesn’t come close to what Jim had for him ‘back in the day’?

Perhaps Jim still hates Broz as much now, but he keeps it balled up inside because what’s the point?

Perhaps others who hate Brosnan now should follow that lead.

[Judo chop]

Can we all agree that as much hatred as there may be for Brosnan now doesn’t come close to what Jim had for him ‘back in the day’?

Perhaps Jim still hates Broz as much now, but he keeps it balled up inside because what’s the point?

For mental health, of course! Have you seen his recent babblings on the extinct Bond thread?!

My problem is that I feel like I’m one of those who is being fingered as a ‘Brosnan hater’, which of course is a drastic over-exaggeration. In fact, I don’t really see any Brosnan ‘hate’ going on. I see a bunch of Bond fans – some who like Brosnan, some who are ambivalent to him, some who think he fails, some who think he was at fault, some who think he wasn’t, some who think he deserved another chance, some who think he didn’t deserve his first one – expressing their opinions.

I think it’s the complaining about other members’ opinions that should go, and not the complaining about the Bond actors. It’s a Bond forum.
Brosnan was Bond and let the opinions fall where they may. The real hateful act would be to ignore him as if he didn’t deserve to be discussed.

Just my sincere opinion. You know I love CBn.

[jaguar007]

Just my sincere opinion. You know I love CBn.

and CBn loves you too Judo

[Mister Asterix]

Just my sincere opinion. You know I love CBn.

and CBn loves you too Judo

Well, yes I love him too, but I think spynovelfan could do a better job. Though Judo Chop just wasn’t given good threads to work with.

[Judo chop]

Just my sincere opinion. You know I love CBn.

and CBn loves you too Judo

Well, yes I love him too, but I think spynovelfan could do a better job. Though Judo Chop just wasn’t given good threads to work with.

Very nice.

[JimmyBond]

Hey I've been pegged as a Brosnan 'hater' too. Even though I supported the guy during his tenure and even enjoy TND (sadly my appreciation for DAD is wavering though, watched it recently and wasnt really impressed). TND (to me) will always be his best performance as Bond, he walks through that film the same way Connery walked through Thunderball...with an aura of confidence about him.

[killkenny kid]

Can we all agree that as much hatred as there may be for Brosnan now doesn’t come close to what Jim had for him ‘back in the day’?

Perhaps Jim still hates Broz as much now, but he keeps it balled up inside because what’s the point?

Perhaps others who hate Brosnan now should follow that lead.

Thank You.

[JimmyBond]

Can we all agree that as much hatred as there may be for Brosnan now doesn’t come close to what Jim had for him ‘back in the day’?

Perhaps Jim still hates Broz as much now, but he keeps it balled up inside because what’s the point?

Perhaps others who hate Brosnan now should follow that lead.

Where is the line drawn though? What some people see as rational discussion other's will see as mindless bashing. It's all opinions anyways, besides I havent seen things get too far out of hand lately. Not like it was a year ago.

[Pete]

I've never hated Brosnan, like others have said he's not my favourite but I like him better than Moore. I just think his Bond didn't have a true character he seemed like a cross between Dalton & Moore. I never thought he got to grips with the English accent it varied from scene to scene, looking back to his Remmington Steele days he had the same problem. I liked his first three films & can watch DAD. It was a shame he didn't go out with a better one, but IMO he wouldn't have been right for CR.

[Safari Suit]

Isn't the whole "hater" thing always hyperbolic? Show any problems with an actor, film or franchise and you're labeled an "[x] hater"?

[Santa]

The word 'gotten' is what's absurd.

[dodge]

The word 'gotten' is what's absurd.

Would you prefer begotten?

At least in the States it's gotten accepted enough to be used in a song by Gene Pitney way back when: Something's Gotten Hold of My Heart.

The transient Bond fans are a fickle crowd. Those who loved Moore (then), think his movies are a joke (now). Those who wanted Dalton out (then), missed his acting chops (in retrospect). Those who were on the Brosnan bandwagon, got off it very quickly as soon as the positive news surrounding the media screenings in London and New York for CR came gushing in. Those who hated Craig's looks (from Oct 05 to Oct 06), think him the greatest since Connery. Connery, who was great in the first four, is (now) in his final three. Lazenby was the weakest, but OHMSS is the best, etcetera.

Transient and Fickle. Two words to keep in your vocabulary.

Me, I love all six of 'em! There's something exceptional about each and every one of them.

Possibly the most sensible post in this thread.

From memory, most CBners loved DIE ANOTHER DAY when it opened. Not everyone, obviously, but it did meet with a lot of enthusiasm (and rightly so). Of course, nowadays it's very fashionable in Bond fandom to hate it, but, trust me, there was quite a bit of enthusiasm about it at the time.

This can never be repeated enough. But the Brosnan/DAD bashing will go out of fashion eventually.

Enter me as Ditto on all of the above. We may even come to see QoS in time as the newest nadir, with DAD as a zenith--with all of us apologizing to Zencat for doubting his review.

[hilly]

This can never be repeated enough. But the Brosnan/DAD bashing will go out of fashion eventually.


The Brosnan bashing WILL go out of fashion..and I can predict the exact moment too. It will be the day that Daniel Craig's replacement is announced, when suddenly all the ire will be focussed on
a)the new Bond for being too: short/tall/fat/thin/blond/dark/old/young,heavyweight/lightweight/inexperienced/overexposed(delete as appropriate)
b)Daniel Craig- who will suddenly be written off as completely wrong for the series and mysteriously get the blame for all the "faults" in the movies that we've all paid to watch at the cinema, raved about at the time as the "best since (insert your own favourite)" and then avidly watched over and over again on dvd...

[Colossus]

This can never be repeated enough. But the Brosnan/DAD bashing will go out of fashion eventually.


The Brosnan bashing WILL go out of fashion..and I can predict the exact moment too. It will be the day that Daniel Craig's replacement is announced, when suddenly all the ire will be focussed on
a)the new Bond for being too: short/tall/fat/thin/blond/dark/old/young,heavyweight/lightweight/inexperienced/overexposed(delete as appropriate)
b)Daniel Craig- who will suddenly be written off as completely wrong for the series and mysteriously get the blame for all the "faults" in the movies that we've all paid to watch at the cinema, raved about at the time as the "best since (insert your own favourite)" and then avidly watched over and over again on dvd...

This post is going to be like a prophecy when that time comes.

Edited by Colossus, 17 September 2008 - 09:06 PM.

[Red Barchetta]

The transient Bond fans are a fickle crowd. Those who loved Moore (then), think his movies are a joke (now). Those who wanted Dalton out (then), missed his acting chops (in retrospect). Those who were on the Brosnan bandwagon, got off it very quickly as soon as the positive news surrounding the media screenings in London and New York for CR came gushing in. Those who hated Craig's looks (from Oct 05 to Oct 06), think him the greatest since Connery. Connery, who was great in the first four, is (now) in his final three. Lazenby was the weakest, but OHMSS is the best, etcetera.

Transient and Fickle. Two words to keep in your vocabulary.

Me, I love all six of 'em! There's something exceptional about each and every one of them.

We can only imagine how history would treat Connery and Brosnan if Connery had gotten GoldenEye-to-DAD scripts and Brosnan had gotten Dr No-to-Thunderball. Eh?

I think this sums it all up!

[freemo]

From memory, most CBners loved DIE ANOTHER DAY when it opened. Not everyone, obviously, but it did meet with a lot of enthusiasm (and rightly so). Of course, nowadays it's very fashionable in Bond fandom to hate it, but, trust me, there was quite a bit of enthusiasm about it at the time.

This can never be repeated enough. But the Brosnan/DAD bashing will go out of fashion eventually.

Do people really think that particular Bond films are only loved/hated because it's "fashionable" to do so?

"Oh, hating DIE ANTHONER DAY. That is so last summer"

[Judo chop]

Do people really think that particular Bond films are only loved/hated because it's "fashionable" to do so?

They do. Except for the films/actors that they hate. Those are deserving.

[dodge]

It's midnight and Judo is sleeping, as are the other ten elves who hate Broz.

I slip beneath the Christmas tree that is the gift of Bond--and kick back to watch Goldeneye, with the great score turned on high.

[Colossus]

I slip beneath the Christmas tree that is the gift of Bond--and kick back to watch Goldeneye, with the great score turned on high.

What i liked about that is Serra made it his own in its uniqueness, unlike David 'music thief' Arnold.

[Santa]

Do people really think that particular Bond films are only loved/hated because it's "fashionable" to do so?

They do. Except for the films/actors that they hate. Those are deserving.

Poor, weak-minded fools. Red Sonja wouldn't follow fashion. She would make up her own mind.

[Safari Suit]

Don't know about that, her hair was a bit 1985.

[Santa]

Don't know about that, her hair was a bit 1985.

I'm tempted to make a comment along the lines of 'so is Brosnan's' . But I won't, because it's the wrong thread and I don't want to make the word 'gotten' come true. Or maybe I just did?