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[MooreisMore]

People make him out to be some dull mannequin when the truth is that Brosnan had lots of charisma and was a very good Bond.

I prefer Dalton and Craig but can't deny that Goldeneye is one of the most exciting action films out there.

I can't believe how underrated Brosnan is now. Goldeneye and Tommorow Never Dies (UNDERRATED) are 2 fantastic Bond films and Brosnan is the best thing in the other 2.

[BlackFire]

Damn I hate those bloody Pierce haters!

He was an awesome Bond, an awesome actor, handsome, charismatic and suave. Sure, Craig is Bond now, and what?

Connery for example, his lovers still remember him after more than 40 years and hate Pierce 7 years after DAD just because Craig is strong and young?

And what pisses me off more is that you hate him for no reason (NO, DAD IS NOT AN EXCUSE, HE WAS THE ACTOR NOT THE WRITER, DIRECTOR NOR GRAPHIC DESIGNER).

[DamnCoffee]

I love Brosnan as Bond, I adore him. I give the man ALOT of credit for the scripts he had to work with. The Brosnan era was NOT bad because of BROSNAN, it was bad because of Purvis and Wade.

[QuantumOO7FSolace]

Brosnan's Bond, im yet undecided if i like the dude or not! When he was Bond, i really loved the guy and watched every of his new and old movies as Not Bond! I refer to him as the Blockbuster Bond and the Bond who embodied all the characteristic of Roger, Sean,Dalton and some Lazenby in his Bond! He took all of what they brought already and added his feminie touch coz he was! He was too Cute to play Bond, never really believable in the part! He looked uncomfortable in Goldeneye as if he was begging the Bond girl to go to bed with him!

His angst is understanable but i think even thou, he made his bed with it, there must for sure be a part of him that still has forgive that he isnt Bond now! And seing Daniel get all the credits and Being better than Connery just after bowing his hat or morever his hat was taken from him and given to Daniel! Craig managed to bring his own style to the role which Pierce didnt do! Maybe coz of Beavis and Purhead script which were like a script written like they were drunk ftom drinking too much Martini at the time!

[Stephen Spotswood]

Is it me or has the Brosnan hate gotten absurd?

It's just you.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

People make him out to be some dull mannequin when the truth is that Brosnan had lots of charisma and was a very good Bond.

I prefer Dalton and Craig but can't deny that Goldeneye is one of the most exciting action films out there.

I can't believe how underrated Brosnan is now. Goldeneye and Tommorow Never Dies (UNDERRATED) are 2 fantastic Bond films and Brosnan is the best thing in the other 2.

Agreed 100%

[Mister Asterix]

Actually, I was thinking it was starting to calm down.

[bond 16.05.72]

The problem when CR came out it went in to overdrive and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, people who'd loved his Bond started to change their mind.

Well my opinion of Roger Moore has changed but this has been slowly, now I find him pretty irritating and most of his entries pretty poor but that is over a 30 year period, some dumped on Brosnan after DAD and then were Craig fanatics, they's loved GE and now they were slagging him off.

I personally never jumped on any Bandwagon, I was driving it since 95, being anti Broz back then was a lonely place, the amount of ridicule you got for saying Dalton was better. Although I paid to see all 4 of his entries at the cinema.

My opinion has changed slightly, I think GE & TWINE are better than MR, VTAK, I used to think all his entries were the bottom 4 but now these 2 definitely residing with DAD.

I still don't get it, he was a popular Bond to the mass public but he never sold it to the hard core fans, or thats way I see it.

Brosnan's problem to me was what some see as his strength, the way he looked, that and the way he played it, it was all too knowing, never relaxing and just playing the character like Craig does, he was to in awe of the privillidge, what is it Craig says " it's just a ing Bond film"

I thinks Brosnan strengths will emerge when he doesn't play toward his looks and it seem his roles are going that way, if he doesn't concern himself with this, he could emerge as a character actor of some skill.

Concentrating on playing Bond like characters like TCA 2 isn't going to do him any favours, he should turn his back on playing heroes and get stuck into a well written morally dubious role and not one thats going straight to DVD.

[Safari Suit]

Actually, I was thinking it was starting to calm down.

Agreed. I think there was a brief and fairly minor tendancy towards an anti-previous Bonds attitude after CR came out, and it thankfully seems to have dissipated.

[Mister E]

Nope, he was awful.

[Colossus]

Actually, I was thinking it was starting to calm down.

Agreed. I think there was a brief and fairly minor tendancy towards an anti-previous Bonds attitude after CR came out, and it thankfully seems to have dissipated.

Yep, 2007 was a phase of white hot hatred, frankly disgusting around the boards. Seems to have calmed however!

Edited by Colossus, 12 September 2008 - 10:04 PM.

[solace]

I like Brosnan. Even though he's not my fave bond I still enjoy his films.

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

He's not my favourite Bond, but he's certainly got amazing qualities, as have all the Bond actors. I can't see why so many people on here spew out this hatred, and yes, it has got to a ridiculous point now. Still, life goes on! God bless you Pierce! Goldeneye will always be my favourite movie...(well, Quantum Of Solace does look very VERY nice )

Edited by Conlazmoodalbrocra, 12 September 2008 - 10:15 PM.

[HH007]

It's not that he was a bad Bond or that anyone hated him, it was just that aside from GOLDENEYE his movies weren't so great. Sorry, but there it is. I was disappointed by the Brosnan era while it was happening, not after the fact like many of the we-hate-people-who-hate-Brosnan assert, and when I saw DIE ANOTHER DAY, I was ready to give up on the series for good. When you have a franchise that has six different actors on the rosters, some are going to be favorites, some are going to be non-favorites. I think Brosnan had the potential to be a great Bond, it's just the filmmakers let him down.

[Publius]

There's nothing wrong with harsh criticism. Indeed, that's the point of a discussion forum. I do agree that it should never veer into snide personal attacks (those just bring the whole community down and provide nothing of value to any debate), but I think it rarely goes that far. And I certainly don't think people should feel obliged to pretend they like every Bond or even to hold one's tongue if they don't. As long as topics aren't derailed, I don't see the problem.

[JimmyBond]

I supported Brosnan because at the time he was the Bond of record, but I was never keen on his films. Sure I enjoy them now (With the exception of TWINE), but even seeing them in theaters, I had the feeling something was missing, something that would put them on level with the classic films.

Even while I was watching DAD (during the finale that is) I was thinking that they've done everything they could do with the action-film approach they were taking with the Brosnan films.

[Shot Your Bolt]

Brosnan isn't my fave Bond, but he's the one who got me into the series, and Goldeneye remains one of my fave 5 Bond movies. Also, even when the movies aren't neccesarily "good" (DAD), he's rather good in them. He keeps it all together.

No, I don't think he's as manly as Connery or as fun as Moore or even as good an actor as Craig, but I'll take him over Lazenby/Dalton >_>

[jaguar007]

I was a Brosnan fan back from when he was doing Remington Steele, I even watched many of his late 80's early 90's direct to video films. I attended the world premiere of GE, but even during his reign as Bond, I wished Dalton was still in the role, especially for GE. I thought Brosnan was uncomfortable and showed little charisma in GE, but he got better in TND. He met many expectations as Bond, but never exceeded them. During his tenure I wished he would make at least 1 great Bond film. He never did. I know many people regard GE as one of the great Bond films, I find it rather middle of the road, and much of that is due to Brosnan (and the music). I remember being dissapointed when I saw it at Radio City with the main cast in attendance! GE might have been one of my favorite films had Dalton been Bond.

That said, I don't dislike him as Bond, there are certain elements to his Bond that I enjoy and I will watch all his films every now and then.

[Professor Dent]

Brosnan has the perfect look for Bond. Could his scripts have been better? Sure, but he played the cards he was dealt. A lot of his bashing comes from the stark contrast in quality between Die Another Day & Casino Royale. To me, he was the guy that showed-up on the screen as Bond after that excruciating six year lull after Licence to Kill (&, for those who are too young to remember, there was no world wide web or CBn back then to help ease the pain).

[dinovelvet]

Answer : Hell no. This is mere gentle ribbing compared to the hate Craig endured through all of 2006 (and they're still out there, tiny pockets of resistance, still impotent and clueless as ever; hell just the other day on a message board I saw a post about how Craig was nothing like "Flemming's Bond"). THAT kind of hate was absurd. Never had I felt so embarrassed to be a "Bond fan".

[sharpshooter]

Brosnan was excellent. In my opinion, GoldenEye and Tomorrow Never Dies are among the best in the series. It is in his last two films, The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day, where the hate thing begins to happen. They have a completely different feel to them. This was out of his hands completely, with the scripting issues and so forth.

[Mister E]

GOLDENEYE and TOMMOROW NEVER DIES are both generic action films of the 90's with the James Bond name attached. The later that had a better story but was nothing but explosions.

[Shot Your Bolt]

I remember the first Bond movie I watched was Goldeneye. I had actually played the game before I watched the movie, and I was like "Whoa, thats the dam from the game!" and "Hey, he even snuck in through the bathroom, this is awesome!" He didn't have the tank on the runway scene, but I remember as soon as James Bond leaped off that cliff, got inside the plane, drove off into the sunset as the factory blew up; I turned to my mom and said "I wanna be a secret agent!" I thought James Bond was the coolest dude on the planet. Gets the hot women, wears expensive suits, blows **** up, saves the world, etc. I thnk thats why TSWLM and GE consistently rank above more "serious" movies like FRWL.

I can see why people wouldn't like Brosnan films, but I still find it funny that people hate the guy. It wasn't his faults he got some of the worst writing in the series post-Goldeneye.

[Mister E]

I thnk thats why TSWLM and GE consistently rank above more "serious" movies like FRWL.

Ranks above... wow. Too funny.

[Shot Your Bolt]

I thnk thats why TSWLM and GE consistently rank above more "serious" movies like FRWL.

Ranks above... wow. Too funny.

um...ok then.

[Turn]

The problem when CR came out it went in to overdrive and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, people who'd loved his Bond started to change their mind.

I personally never jumped on any Bandwagon, I was driving it since 95, being anti Broz back then was a lonely place, the amount of ridicule you got for saying Dalton was better. Although I paid to see all 4 of his entries at the cinema.

I still don't get it, he was a popular Bond to the mass public but he never sold it to the hard core fans, or thats way I see it.

Brosnan's problem to me was what some see as his strength, the way he looked, that and the way he played it, it was all too knowing, never relaxing and just playing the character like Craig does, he was to in awe of the privillidge, what is it Craig says " it's just a ing Bond film"

That's pretty much how I felt as I was in that lonely place as well, although I wasn't anti-Bros, just I liked Dalton better. It is funny that there was no other character on television like Remington Steele at the time and when that should've translated to Brosnan's Bond it didn't and that was part of the problem right there.

I was a Brosnan fan back from when he was doing Remington Steele, I even watched many of his late 80's early 90's direct to video films. I attended the world premiere of GE, but even during his reign as Bond, I wished Dalton was still in the role, especially for GE. I thought Brosnan was uncomfortable and showed little charisma in GE, but he got better in TND. He met many expectations as Bond, but never exceeded them. During his tenure I wished he would make at least 1 great Bond film. He never did. I know many people regard GE as one of the great Bond films, I find it rather middle of the road, and much of that is due to Brosnan (and the music). I remember being dissapointed when I saw it at Radio City with the main cast in attendance! GE might have been one of my favorite films had Dalton been Bond.

That said, I don't dislike him as Bond, there are certain elements to his Bond that I enjoy and I will watch all his films every now and then.

I felt the same way about GE. I was so glad to have Bond back after 6 long years, but it just wasn't the comeback I'd hoped for. I got that when CR premiered 11 years later. And that's how I feel about Bros today as well, I don't dislike him and I will watch his films.

Brosnan has the perfect look for Bond. Could his scripts have been better? Sure, but he played the cards he was dealt. A lot of his bashing comes from the stark contrast in quality between Die Another Day & Casino Royale. To me, he was the guy that showed-up on the screen as Bond after that excruciating six year lull after Licence to Kill (&, for those who are too young to remember, there was no world wide web or CBn back then to help ease the pain).

Again, a viewpoint I identify with. Bros got to play one of the great parts in film history despite it not being the best era for the series. Part of the problem in my view was he was a hybrid Bond, taking parts of his predecessors and bringing them to his portrayal and that doesn't necessarily stand out, especially when you have scripts that are less than stellar.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

I thnk thats why TSWLM and GE consistently rank above more "serious" movies like FRWL.

Ranks above... wow. Too funny.

I think he was referring to the general public's perception of Bond. Are you saying that you think FRWL would get more votes than TSWLM or GE in a public best Bond ever poll? Cause I can say with most of my certainty that it wouldn't.

[Hotwinds]

I think Brosnan's best work is in other films and not playing Bond. For the most part he did a great job but there are some forced sounding lines he had to say that I didnt like. When the cutsie lines work thats ok but many of them dont. Not just his lines either. When he meets Moneypenny in Goldeneye late at night and he comments on her looking nice she says "it wasnt because she was trying to impress "James Bond". No one talks that way, she would have just said "you" and not said his full name. Its those little details that always sound forced to me and Brosnan mentioned it himself later when he was pissed off and said he was glad to be out of Bondage. We should all be happy that he helped the franchise be the huge monster that it is.

[JimmyBond]

It is in his last two films, The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day, where the hate thing begins to happen. They have a completely different feel to them. This was out of his hands completely, with the scripting issues and so forth.

I would disagree with this point. The guys on record saying he was pushing for more to do in the films. He pushed Fierstien to give him more to do in TWINE (granted Fierstien's only responsible for bits here and there I imagine). I also don't doubt Bond got captured in DAD due to Brosnan's persistent yapping about wanting more "drama."

Don't get me wrong, I realize other factors come into play too, but a lot of the things in his Bond films are a result of him lobbying for deeper scripts.

[J.B.]

I thought he was a GREAT bond. And he would have been even better if given the chance with better scripts. He wasnt a perfect bond of course, but it is a FACT that he made crappy scripts into blockbuster movies. I mean, think about it, DAD was the top grossing bond film until CR. It is a testament to how good a bond he was in his time.

AND, When you really look at CR with Craig you see just how different a film that was compared to Broz's films. Craig brought a roughness to the role not seen in any other bonds. The ironic thing is that Brosnan was begging for a chance to play the role "out of the parameters" of the previous films. One thing I am curious about is how Broz would have been perceived had that happened. Everyone loved the start of DAD where he got beaten up and looked like a more rough edged Bond.

Another interesting thing this brings up for me is how Craig will be viewed by folks after QOS comes out and he has to play the type of Bond more reminiscent of the past bonds. One advantage Craig had in CR is that it was a film before Bond was Bond as we know him. The largest gripe of folks with Craig was his atypical looks for Bond and CR played to his strength: less the suave look of Bond and more the tough brute of Bond. QOS is suppose to tailor Craig more to the old bond. We'll see how it turns out.

I bring this up not to diss Craig or to promote Brosnan but it is relevant to ask with respect to those who trash Brosnan and in the same breath cheer Craig. See, if Brosnan had been kept with these two types of scripts, CR and QOS, (adjusted of course, because CR couldnt have been exactly like it was with Broz having already done earlier films)we would probably have a totally different view of Brosnan and how he is as bond and have a larger view of his talent in the role. We say Craig is best but it is really comparing "apples to oranges" due to the film differences.

I am looking forward to seeing QOS but seeing it alittle bitter sweet CR. THis is not against Craig but just a bond fan wishing that Broz had had the chance to play that better scripted film.