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[Scrambled Eggs]

But it means nothing! It's a b@staardiation of an Italian word! Ask any Italian what "risico" means, and they'll probably look at you like you're stupid.

Actually, isn't it a bastardisation of an english word?

I like this idea of having a character named Risico. I can see that coming to pass.

[00Twelve]

But it means nothing! It's a b@staardiation of an Italian word! Ask any Italian what "risico" means, and they'll probably look at you like you're stupid.

Well, I'm sure "rischio" is the current Italian for "risk", but if you input "risico" into Babelfish on 'Italian to English,' it translates "risk." So...?

[Captain Tightpants]

But it means nothing! It's a b@staardiation of an Italian word! Ask any Italian what "risico" means, and they'll probably look at you like you're stupid.

Well, I'm sure "rischio" is the current Italian for "risk", but if you input "risico" into Babelfish on 'Italian to English,' it translates "risk." So...?

Put a setence or a paragraph into Babelfish. Translate into any language there, then copy-and-paste the result into the window and translate back to English. See if they say the same thing. Or even resemble one another.

"Risico" is a bad title, and I don't understand the fascination of it. Of all Fleming's titles, it's the least sophisticated (the the exception of "007 in New York"). It doesn't have that quality about it the way "You Only Live Twice", "Moonraker", "Quantum of Solace", "From Russia With Love" and even "The Man With the Golden Gun" do. It sounds exactly like it is: a mis-pronunciation of an Italian word. If there were a character named "Risico" in the film, I'd expect it to be the working name of a two-dollar streetwalker.

[Blonde Bond]

I don't mind Risico at all. They might just tie this meaningless word into the plot. But please no. No more revenge films for a while. I hope Craig and whichever team continues the plot from Craig's last line from Quantum of Solace;

Spoiler

"I never left"

and sorta get back to business. This does not, however, mean that they should go back to clichés. Just towards to 'this mission' nature of adventures. Not this 'this time it's personal' stuff.

[Mister E]

I like this idea of having a character named Risico. I can see that coming to pass.

Ugh, that's even worse then using it as a title. Pleas, no Bond movies with that title.

[Scrambled Eggs]

I like this idea of having a character named Risico. I can see that coming to pass.

Ugh, that's even worse then using it as a title. Pleas, no Bond movies with that title.

I don't think any of the remaining short story titles is particularly wonderful and I'd prefer it if they started using original titles.

But (since they seem intent upon using them) Risico is the best of what's left. A one word title sticks in the mind nicely.

And, if they're going to use it as a title, naming a major character "Risico" would be a nice way of explaining the title without Daniel Craig having to do the whole "Ah, well, y'see it's because this guy's trying to say "risk" but he can't cause he's Italian..." thing every time he's interviewed.
It'd be no more contrived than using Quantum as the name of a sinister organisation in order to explain away that title.

Really though, if they're having to manufacture ways for a Fleming title to make sense, they should probably just think of original titles.

[Mister E]

But (since they seem intent upon using them) Risico is the best of what's left. A one word title sticks in the mind nicely.

I find Risico one of the worst titles left from Fleming's work, it's sounds too awkward and silly. The only one that dosen't sound bad is THE HILDEBRAND RARITY, all you really have to know is what rarity means and your sold, it's better then QUANTUM OF SOLACE too. The whole story would be perfect to set up an entire film just like THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, except it should be far less convoluted and have better characters.

[Quantumofsolace007]

But (since they seem intent upon using them) Risico is the best of what's left. A one word title sticks in the mind nicely.

I find Risico one of the worst titles left from Fleming's work, it's sounds too awkward and silly. The only one that dosen't sound bad is THE HILDEBRAND RARITY, all you really have to know is what rarity means and your sold, it's better then QUANTUM OF SOLACE too. The whole story would be perfect to set up an entire film just like THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, except it should be far less convoluted and have better characters.

I can see both the Hildebrand rarity and the property of a lady reworked for bond 23 or 24.

Risico i see as an operation name not a charecter.

[MkB]

But it means nothing! It's a b@staardiation of an Italian word! Ask any Italian what "risico" means, and they'll probably look at you like you're stupid.

Actually, isn't it a bastardisation of an english word?

Isn't it both? An equation like:
1 risk (English) + 1 rischio (Italian), shaken and not stirred = risico (Flemingian)

Which makes me think: it seems to me that Fleming, here, makes a mistake common to many writers when they want to have foreign characters making mistakes when they speak. I can't imagine an Italian with the minimal level of english required to make a conversation with Bond forging the word "risico" while trying to say "risk" (he would know English words dont end with -o, and if he were to forge a word he would do it otherwise, or simply keep the real Italian word).
Another frequent mistake is to make foreign characters deliver perfectly formed lines, in clipped english, then say the most common and simple words in their own languages. This is not how it works! Foreign (and not bilingual) characters make syntax mistakes, and stumble upon "faux amis" from their own language; how one makes mistakes while speaking English depends on his mother tongue actually, and writers very seldom pay attention to that. For instance, as far as I've observed, Russian people don't say "Da" and "Spassiba" instead of "Yes" and "Thank you" while speaking English in real life, so it shouldn't be used in fiction works to make them "sound" Russian.
My 2 rubles

Anyhow, "risico" is the Dutch word for "risk" (no, really), so let's supppose the Italian speaker using it had Dutch origin, keeping up with the tradition of "mixed blood" characters in Fleming

[Quantumofsolace007]

Yes but Fleming never had an orgnization known as Quantum

Risico if it fits the film Can be fitted to anything.


In my opnion Risico sounds like a Mission ala thunderball what little remains unused from the short story could easily be adapted to fit the film (namely dialogue and the location of Rome and herion sumgling into London all of which could allow bond to stumbe upon something bigger)

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 10 November 2008 - 04:07 AM.

[Mister E]

Yes but Fleming never had an orgnization known as Quantum

Risico if it fits the film Can be fitted to anything.


In my opnion Risico sounds like a Mission ala thunderball what little remains unused from the short story could easily be adapted to fit the film (namely dialogue and the location of Rome and herion sumgling into London all of which could allow bond to stumbe upon something bigger)

It stil dosen't sound right even as mission. THUNDERBALL is alot more comfortable to the ears because "Ball" is a one syllable word with four letters just like "Bolt", perfectly interchangeable. Risico barely sounds like "risk", it's too clunky.

[SolidWaffle]

Like others have said in this thread, RISICO means nothing. It's just stupid. It worked fine for the short story, but it will not appeal to the audience, because let's face it, EON doesn't really care about us Bond fans and our dream titles. Plus, like I said in another thread, the press would run with it, like they did with QOS, but rightfully so.

Face it guys, the era of Fleming book titles are over. I love some of the chapter titles, they are excellent, but RISICO nor THE HILDEBRAND RARITY would fly at all. And don't get me started on 007 IN NEW YORK. Worst title idea ever.

[Harmsway]

I don't think RISICO is any great shakes as a title. It's kind of forgettable. It does have an awkward background, but if EON can get away with the jaw-droppingly awful title of OCTOPUSSY, I'm fairly certain they can get away with anything.

As for me, I think it's about time that EON used the title SHATTERHAND. Craig deserves a nice, elegant, strong one-world title with no discernible meaning in keeping with Bond tradition. Connery had GOLDFINGER and THUNDERBALL, Moore got MOONRAKER, and Brozzy got GOLDENEYE. SHATTERHAND fits right in there.

[MR. BOND 93]

What exactly is SHATTERHAND? Isn't it Blofeld's nickname or something? Did it originate from the novels? I love the title, but I have no clue what it means. Much like RISICO.

[Harmsway]

What exactly is SHATTERHAND? Isn't it Blofeld's nickname or something? Did it originate from the novels?

It's Blofeld's alias in Fleming's YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE.

[MR. BOND 93]

What exactly is SHATTERHAND? Isn't it Blofeld's nickname or something? Did it originate from the novels?

It's Blofeld's alias in Fleming's YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE.

Oh ok. Thank you.

How would it work as a movie title? Wouldn't they have to introduce Blofeld?

[Harmsway]

How would it work as a movie title? Wouldn't they have to introduce Blofeld?

I don't think so. You could just create a brand new character named Shatterhand, or perhaps name a device after it (ala the Moonraker shuttle, the GoldenEye satellite), or even have it be the title of some project or operation (ala Operation: Thunderball). EON can create their own significance for the name.

[MR. BOND 93]

How would it work as a movie title? Wouldn't they have to introduce Blofeld?

I don't think so. You could just create a brand new character named Shatterhand, or perhaps name a device after it (ala the Moonraker shuttle, the GoldenEye satellite), or even have it be the title of some project or operation (ala Operation: Thunderball). EON can create their own significance for the name.

Ohh ok. That would be really interesting. Thanks Harmsway.

[sharpshooter]

Shatterhand is a great title and is crying out to be used. Craig needs his one word title.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Yes but Fleming never had an orgnization known as Quantum

Risico if it fits the film Can be fitted to anything.


In my opnion Risico sounds like a Mission ala thunderball what little remains unused from the short story could easily be adapted to fit the film (namely dialogue and the location of Rome and herion sumgling into London all of which could allow bond to stumbe upon something bigger)

It stil dosen't sound right even as mission. THUNDERBALL is alot more comfortable to the ears because "Ball" is a one syllable word with four letters just like "Bolt", perfectly interchangeable. Risico barely sounds like "risk", it's too clunky.

no thunderball seems pørnographic as does octopussy and yet both were used.


Though I love both titles. I don't want people saying "he hates thunderball as a title or Octopussy. No there isn't a bond filmf title i hate.

I will say this. a Bond film titled Risico or the hildebrand rarity won't kill the franchise


I love the 3 fleming titles 007 in new york I'll accept provided the film is amazing and gripping.


Risico as a title is not as bad as Octopussy and yet We had a film named octopussy.

Sure Risico may seem clumsy to some but if presented correctly it will work and the bond film with that title will do well.

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 12 November 2008 - 04:31 AM.

[Captain Tightpants]

Can you think of any circumstances where RISICO would be "presented correctly"?

Because I sure as hell can't.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Risico Could work as a weapon system or mission. last name it's to clunky.

As Stated before Quantum is a new invention not a fleming one but it works as the orgnizations name.


Goldeneye was a house in bond films it's russain weapon.


Risico could easily work the same way as a weapon or Mission.

However will those who hate the title scream bloody murder sure thats Inevitable but for the "joe public fans" they'll see risico as a weapon or mission and go "oh ok cool."

[Hockey Mask]

Risico, Rarity and Property are all quality Bond titles. Property of a Lady is a no brainer.

If QoS can work anything can. After seeinf QoS I couldn't imagine a better title.

Edited by 00Hockey Mask, 15 November 2008 - 07:17 PM.

[__7]

Looking at the heading of this post I got to thinking: What about "All Time High" as a Bond title? An obvious rip from a previous Bond song, I know, but I kind of think it works as a title.

[Cruiserweight]

If the trend were to continue & they used a Fleming short story title then it would be from Octopussy and The Living Daylights. Ever since they started using the short story name for titles the next film to use one would be from the other shorty story book & back & forth.

For Your Eyes Only(From For Your Eyes Only)
Octopussy(From Octopussy and The Living Daylights)
A View To A Kill(From For Your Eyes Only)
The Living Daylights(From Octopussy and The Living Daylights)
Quantum Of Solace(From For Your Eyes Only)

[MR. BOND 93]

If the trend were to continue & they used a Fleming short story title then it would be from Octopussy and The Living Daylights. Ever since they started using the short story name for titles the next film to use one would be from the other shorty story book & back & forth.

For Your Eyes Only(From For Your Eyes Only)
Octopussy(From Octopussy and The Living Daylights)
A View To A Kill(From For Your Eyes Only)
The Living Daylights(From Octopussy and The Living Daylights)
Quantum Of Solace(From For Your Eyes Only)

Nice find, but that would mean the title of Bond 23 would be either The Property of a Lady or 007 in New York. POAL sounds really cheesy, and as much as I like 007INY, I couldn't see them using it. I think they're just gonna make up a name or go with a chapter title (*cough*Shatterhand*cough*).

[Quantumofsolace007]

Risico, Rarity and Property are all quality Bond titles. Property of a Lady is a no brainer.

If QoS can work anything can. After seeinf QoS I couldn't imagine a better title.

Agreed plus this whole "bond 23 will be a continuation" we're beginign to hear from the producers has me semi thinjking bond 23 will have a fleming title.

After seeing Quantum of solace Risico or Property make the most sense.

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 15 November 2008 - 08:16 PM.

[Gobi-1]

To me the best two choices are Risico and The Property of a Lady.

[Cruiserweight]

To me the best two choices are Risico and The Property of a Lady.

& i say to continue the trend they should go with TPOAL.

[Gobi-1]

Since QoS is such an intense, lean, and gritty Bond film I think Bond 23 should be more sophisticated and glamorous. Property of a Lady would certainly fit.