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[Mister E]

To defend the use of RISICO - yes the story has already been used but the title could also be used as a name like Goldfinger or so. I mean, we had names like the one already mentioned, Holly Goodhead Pussy Galore, Mary Goodnight etc so why not Risico... (Roberto Risico)!? As for The Hildebrand rarity, I doubt we will se that one but who knows. 007 in New York? Lets hope not even if it is a Fleming title and not even the original title to that one - Reflections in a...whatever. I would salute EON if they would name it Property of a lady - story used. Yes I know but what the he**. I agree that the revenge theme is overused by now. A simple mission is ok for me - M breifing and Bond out on a mission.

Ugh. By the way, you do realize Hildebrand was a last name ?

Edited by Mister E, 04 September 2008 - 06:58 PM.

[Mr Twilight]

Oh yes, but it hasn't been use so far. ok?

[Quantumofsolace007]

There are other ways of doing 23 that even have nothing to do with revenge

I'll put the rest of the post in spoiler form just in case u haven't read about quatnum of solace.

Spoiler

For Example Bond 23 (gunbarrel included) starts off Bond relaxing in some islan paradise a member of qwuantum who has been tracking down bond for months catches up with him and trys to kill him after an amazing pretitle fight bond kills the man and learns Quantum is trying to kill M who is at some summit. the first half of the film deals with bond trying to stop the assdanation attempt and the second half is in a sense a straight ahead mission with M telling Bond to find out where Greene has gone and to kill him.


Still could be called risico but Bond is back in the service without any sort of "revenge" scheme

there are other ideas and other ways of doing bond 23 without the revenge aspect.

[Mister E]

There are other ways of doing 23 that even have nothing to do with revenge

I'll put the rest of the post in spoiler form just in case u haven't read about quatnum of solace.

Spoiler

For Example Bond 23 (gunbarrel included) starts off Bond relaxing in some islan paradise a member of qwuantum who has been tracking down bond for months catches up with him and trys to kill him after an amazing pretitle fight bond kills the man and learns Quantum is trying to kill M who is at some summit. the first half of the film deals with bond trying to stop the assdanation attempt and the second half is in a sense a straight ahead mission with M telling Bond to find out where Greene has gone and to kill him.


Still could be called risico but Bond is back in the service without any sort of "revenge" scheme

there are other ideas and other ways of doing bond 23 without the revenge aspect.

Quantum should not endanger themselves by tracking down one person.

[manfromjapan]

I think The Hildebrand Rarity would make for a great title. And of course The Property of a Lady. I wonder if Eon has the rights to use chapter titles and discarded working titles? I think The Rough with the Smooth (the working title of the FYEO collection) would make for an intriguing title.

Edited by manfromjapan, 05 September 2008 - 01:24 AM.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

I just wish Bond could be motivated by his job. Revenge is really so overdone. Yeah, I get it. This time it´s personal. And this time, too. And next time, hey, it´s personal. Maybe he could go rogue in Bond 23?

M calls Bond into his office. (yes, his)

M assigns Bond to do his job.

Bond does it.

Gee, those were the days, right?

"The next time after that it's personal...."

"You know the name, you know the narrative cliche".

God - the heady days of a presented mission all done and dusted in that mahogany strewn office all before the running time has hit ten minutes. Now bloody Judi Dench (as right and superb as she is in the role) has to turn up in every scene like one of the Muppet gang on location and spout tired jargon along the likes of "I never trusted you for this job" all over-delivered (usually in the trailers) like some Celia Johnson drag queen.

Although I don't mind RISICO as a title. It's still better than A WHISPER OF FAN LOVE, A WHISPER OF FAN HATE....

Let's start a poll....which do you prefer...LOVE or HATE....ooops - too late. Someone's already done that. It must have been a slow news day on the gunbarrel exclusive front.

Well, you have to admit there must be a fanboy (or girl) over at EoN who selected Quantum of Solace as the title of Bond 22. I think we can agree QoS wasn't selected (and likely shoe-horned into the plot) for any other reason apart from satisfying some fanboy notion that the word of Fleming = the word of god.

No. To Eon Productions, the word of Fleming implies the roots of their product, the DNA for its past and future and - when relevant - the only place to shop for a new title.

Eon do not make films for the fanboys.

And I love the title, QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Have you noticed that everyone knows what the new Bond film is called - or certainly that there is one with an odd title...? THAT's why Eon Productions know what they are doing. The film already has made an impact with non-fans through its title alone. Throw in a title tune the fans hate but that goes to number one in the States and we have another sure fire hit.

I love the title Quantum of Solace too, but realistically I believe that it likely wouldn't have even been considered if it wasn't originally created by 'god'.

[DaveBond21]

I like the title Risico. I'd like to see it used at some point.

[Publius]

Gee, those were the days, right?

For me, not really. What I always loved about the spy genre is that plots are never so simple. The agent's private life is inevitably dragged into it, or he has to wrangle with moral dilemmas. Even when you take a step back, the overall profession is all about countries (and nowadays, stateless organizations) exacting their perception of justice on each other... in other words, vengeance. Without a personal element, I just wouldn't care about these characters.

I think much of the exhaustion with the personal angle is that it was bungled in everything between GE and CR, and Judi Dench is still around complaining the same annoying way. I'm hard-pressed to think of a Bond film where Bond and/or a leading lady aren't being driven by this most common human motivation, it's just a matter of poor execution in recent years souring many of us on the whole damn thing. Nothing would put Bond back on the fast track to irrelevancy quicker than becoming a government errand boy.

As for how many movies Craig will do, I think four is the magic number. This story arc will have been concluded and he'll get to celebrate the 50th anniversary, but that'll be that and he'll want to move on. Plus, he'll be in his mid-40s. Interestingly, before Craig took over, the average was exactly four: 5 actors, 20 films.

[Mister E]

I think much of the exhaustion with the personal angle is that it was bungled in everything between GE and CR, and Judi Dench is still around complaining the same annoying way.

Actually they bungled both. All Judi Dench did was complain and talk about her balls until CR came out. Now she actually councils Bond as well as drive some sense into him with mature dialogue.

I think The Hildebrand Rarity would make for a great title. And of course The Property of a Lady. I wonder if Eon has the rights to use chapter titles and discarded working titles? I think The Rough with the Smooth (the working title of the FYEO collection) would make for an intriguing title.

Rough with the Smooth ? That sounds like a chapter title.

Edited by Mister E, 05 September 2008 - 03:23 AM.

[Captain Tightpants]

What in the sphincter of hell does "risico" have to do with revenge, anyway?

[Zorin Industries]

There are other ways of doing 23 that even have nothing to do with revenge

I'll put the rest of the post in spoiler form just in case u haven't read about quatnum of solace.

Spoiler

For Example Bond 23 (gunbarrel included) starts off Bond relaxing in some islan paradise a member of qwuantum who has been tracking down bond for months catches up with him and trys to kill him after an amazing pretitle fight bond kills the man and learns Quantum is trying to kill M who is at some summit. the first half of the film deals with bond trying to stop the assdanation attempt and the second half is in a sense a straight ahead mission with M telling Bond to find out where Greene has gone and to kill him.


Still could be called risico but Bond is back in the service without any sort of "revenge" scheme

there are other ideas and other ways of doing bond 23 without the revenge aspect.

Quantum should not endanger themselves by tracking down one person.

Nor should summits and assassination attempts and more of M rear their over-egged heads.

[Quantumofsolace007]

you complain about revenge stories than you complain about my plot.


i wasn't saying it was offical or good just proving that a plot i thought of in 3 minutes has nothing to do with revenge and reinstates Bond as 007 post the events of Quantum of solace.


now i'm complaining about everyone complaining

[Aris007]

Not a revenge film again!

Quite a number of the Bonds, maybe even a majority, feature revenge to a greater or lesser degree. I can't say it's something that bothers me. And, let's face it, the traditional Bond-M briefing scene had become somewhat passé,whether we like it or not. It's funny how some fans want to cling to things - like Q, Moneypenny or the office scenes - that have clearly had their day, or are in need of seriously updating.

Revenge plots like in CR or QoS, give a good film and the actors can have a variety in the emotions they have to act, but Bond is considered to be "Iceman" like every secret agent should be. He isn't supposed to be affected by emotions. That's why I don't want to see revenge again!

[Publius]

Bond is considered to be "Iceman" like every secret agent should be. He isn't supposed to be affected by emotions.

He's always been something of a softie, though, both in the novels and the movies. He falls in love with every girl he works with, especially the Vesper clones, and openly deplores cold-blooded killing. What's interesting about Bond is that he squares those strong opinions (and even his repeated desire to quit) with the fact that he's enough of a "stupid policeman" at heart to not want to do anything else.

[Mister E]

Bond is considered to be "Iceman" like every secret agent should be. He isn't supposed to be affected by emotions.

He's always been something of a softie, though, both in the novels and the movies. He falls in love with every girl he works with, especially the Vesper clones, and openly deplores cold-blooded killing. What's interesting about Bond is that squares those strong opinions (and even his repeated desire to quit) with the fact that he's enough of a "stupid policeman" at heart to not want to do anything else.

I agree. Bond is anything but an iceman. He hates killing, especially in cold blood. Like in the Goldfinger novel, he made execuses for the gangsters he killed in Mexico when he was clearly defending himself. Also, like Publius said, he can be a softie like in The Hidebrand Rarity he felt sorry for the sea creatures that Milton Krest poisoned.

Edited by Mister E, 06 September 2008 - 10:51 PM.

[Aris007]

Bond is considered to be "Iceman" like every secret agent should be. He isn't supposed to be affected by emotions.

He's always been something of a softie, though, both in the novels and the movies. He falls in love with every girl he works with, especially the Vesper clones, and openly deplores cold-blooded killing. What's interesting about Bond is that squares those strong opinions (and even his repeated desire to quit) with the fact that he's enough of a "stupid policeman" at heart to not want to do anything else.

I agree. Bond is anything but an iceman. He hates killing, especially in cold blood. Like in the Goldfinger novel, he made execuses for the gangsters he killed in Mexico when he was clearly defending himself. Also, like Publius said, he can be a softie like in The Hidebrand Rarity he felt sorry for the sea creatures that Milton Krest poisoned.

Pardon me guys! I'm not aware of Bond novels, where the character is presented. I considered Bond's proffesion and his image in films especially in CR's PTS, where Bond isn't so "softie"!

[Publius]

Pardon me guys! I'm not aware of Bond novels, where the character is presented. I considered Bond's proffesion and his image in films especially in CR's PTS, where Bond isn't so "softie"!

I never doubted that how he was depicted in the CR PTS was true to the character, but there is another side to him. LTK probably showed Bond at his most ruthless, yet it also showed him more emotionally broken than we've ever seen him. For a simpleton, Bond is a complicated man.

[chris-o]

A revenge Bond movie? Ok, with revenge and a great story but if there would be only revenge than it wouldn't be so good at all.

[TheHildebrandRarity]

Mmmmmmmmmmm...

James Bond Will Return In

RISICO

I like it! Not sure if a revenge story for Risico would be good though as it would kind of be repeating Quantum Of Solace. I think they will need to move away from that in my view.

[Gobi-1]

"Risico" was always only ever an adequate title for a brilliant short story. It does not belong on a film poster.

I disagree.
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[tdalton]

I like it! Not sure if a revenge story for Risico would be good though as it would kind of be repeating Quantum Of Solace. I think they will need to move away from that in my view.

Agreed. Bond 23 definitely shouldn't be a revenge tale. We've had quite a bit of those in the last decade or two of the franchise, and it would be nice to see the franchise move in a different direction.

[Mister E]

"Risico" was always only ever an adequate title for a brilliant short story. It does not belong on a film poster.

I disagree.
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Still crap to me. It ain't a Bond title McGee.

Pardon me guys! I'm not aware of Bond novels, where the character is presented. I considered Bond's proffesion and his image in films especially in CR's PTS, where Bond isn't so "softie"!

I never doubted that how he was depicted in the CR PTS was true to the character, but there is another side to him. LTK probably showed Bond at his most ruthless, yet it also showed him more emotionally broken than we've ever seen him. For a simpleton, Bond is a complicated man.

Eh, he wasn't emotionally broken, just pissed.

Bond is considered to be "Iceman" like every secret agent should be. He isn't supposed to be affected by emotions.

He's always been something of a softie, though, both in the novels and the movies. He falls in love with every girl he works with, especially the Vesper clones, and openly deplores cold-blooded killing. What's interesting about Bond is that squares those strong opinions (and even his repeated desire to quit) with the fact that he's enough of a "stupid policeman" at heart to not want to do anything else.

I agree. Bond is anything but an iceman. He hates killing, especially in cold blood. Like in the Goldfinger novel, he made execuses for the gangsters he killed in Mexico when he was clearly defending himself. Also, like Publius said, he can be a softie like in The Hidebrand Rarity he felt sorry for the sea creatures that Milton Krest poisoned.

Pardon me guys! I'm not aware of Bond novels, where the character is presented. I considered Bond's proffesion and his image in films especially in CR's PTS, where Bond isn't so "softie"!

We said he can be a softie, he certaintly wasn't one in the novels alot of the time. What he did was not for punks. Also personally, I think everyone on screen plays Bond, the real Bond is in the books.

Edited by Mister E, 08 September 2008 - 02:37 AM.

[Aris007]

We said he can be a softie, he certaintly wasn't one in the novels alot of the time. What he did was not for punks. Also personally, I think everyone on screen plays Bond, the real Bond is in the books.

Right, screen Bond is the box-office Bond. That's why every fan who wants the real Bond has to read the books!

BTW, where can I find them? I mean, is there a certain bookshop?

[Mister E]

BTW, where can I find them? I mean, is there a certain bookshop?

Any major chain of bookstores carries them, they are very easy to find. Borders or Barnes and Noble for example.

[Aris007]

Thanks!

[Mister E]

Thanks!

Your welcome.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Mmmmmmmmmmm...

James Bond Will Return In

RISICO

I like it! Not sure if a revenge story for Risico would be good though as it would kind of be repeating Quantum Of Solace. I think they will need to move away from that in my view.

I agree.

[Cody]

If you check MGW's recent comments, 23 might not even tied to CR and QOS.

His cohorts back him up

Barbara Broccoli: (QOS) is a continuation, but I think the story kind of completes here. I think you know we had a lot of unanswered questions at the end of CASINO ROYALE, and this story just kind of completes that cycle and will go on to other different stories from now on.

Daniel Craig: ... When we sat down and started talking about it, it just was just like, "This is what we should do; we should absolutely just finish this story off." So next time, we can start it wherever we want to start it.

[Quantumofsolace007]

however if YOLT from imdb is right and i believe he is

Spoiler

With Greene Survivng and Bond Quiting the service bond 23 HAS to be a continuation film.

[BlackFire]

No, no more revenges!

Oh and Property of a Lady sounds awesome, Risico is just meh.