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[YOLT]

If the Imdb source is right than we might see an all time high revenge film for Bond 23. And for such a film Risico seems the right title.

[neversaynever]

Whatever.

[Captain Tightpants]

"Risico" doesn't mean anything. I don't care if it's the title of a short story, it's a ba$tardisation of the Italian word for "risk". It's clumsy, it's inefficient, it's ineffective, and every time I hear it, read it or otherwise, I'm struck by this image of someone trying very hard and failing just as much to learn a foreign language. It's a bad title, and one that shouldn't be considered. There's a reason why it was adapted into For Your Eyes Only, but the title has so far gone unused, even in the Age of Brosnan. I'd much rather the producers go back to "kill", "die", "death" and the like than use "risico".

[SecretAgentFan]

I just wish Bond could be motivated by his job. Revenge is really so overdone. Yeah, I get it. This time it´s personal. And this time, too. And next time, hey, it´s personal. Maybe he could go rogue in Bond 23?

M calls Bond into his office. (yes, his)

M assigns Bond to do his job.

Bond does it.

Gee, those were the days, right?

[Mr Twilight]

I have no trouble with the title Risico. I love the use of classic Fleming titles and the meaning of it could be alternated and changed (as QOS is) so I don't think it should be ignored. I think it's ok and I hope it will be used. I rather hope they don't use "kill" or "die" in the title.

[Joey Bond]

Even "Property of a la-die"?

[Zorin Industries]

I just wish Bond could be motivated by his job. Revenge is really so overdone. Yeah, I get it. This time it´s personal. And this time, too. And next time, hey, it´s personal. Maybe he could go rogue in Bond 23?

M calls Bond into his office. (yes, his)

M assigns Bond to do his job.

Bond does it.

Gee, those were the days, right?

"The next time after that it's personal...."

"You know the name, you know the narrative cliche".

God - the heady days of a presented mission all done and dusted in that mahogany strewn office all before the running time has hit ten minutes. Now bloody Judi Dench (as right and superb as she is in the role) has to turn up in every scene like one of the Muppet gang on location and spout tired jargon along the likes of "I never trusted you for this job" all over-delivered (usually in the trailers) like some Celia Johnson drag queen.

Although I don't mind RISICO as a title. It's still better than A WHISPER OF FAN LOVE, A WHISPER OF FAN HATE....

Let's start a poll....which do you prefer...LOVE or HATE....ooops - too late. Someone's already done that. It must have been a slow news day on the gunbarrel exclusive front.

[YOLT]

I just wish Bond could be motivated by his job. Revenge is really so overdone. Yeah, I get it. This time it´s personal. And this time, too. And next time, hey, it´s personal. Maybe he could go rogue in Bond 23?

M calls Bond into his office. (yes, his)

M assigns Bond to do his job.

Bond does it.

Gee, those were the days, right?

I agree you totally. When did we last watched a totally mission oriented 007 film, TND or even TLD ? I hope the personal plots end, even for a while with Bond 23.

This makes great Connery and Moore than the other four.

[Captain Tightpants]

I just wish Bond could be motivated by his job. Revenge is really so overdone. Yeah, I get it. This time it´s personal. And this time, too. And next time, hey, it´s personal. Maybe he could go rogue in Bond 23?

M calls Bond into his office. (yes, his)

M assigns Bond to do his job.

Bond does it.

Gee, those were the days, right?

"The next time after that it's personal...."

"You know the name, you know the narrative cliche".

God - the heady days of a presented mission all done and dusted in that mahogany strewn office all before the running time has hit ten minutes. Now bloody Judi Dench (as right and superb as she is in the role) has to turn up in every scene like one of the Muppet gang on location and spout tired jargon along the likes of "I never trusted you for this job" all over-delivered (usually in the trailers) like some Celia Johnson drag queen.

Problem with the old format was it always becae a case of "Tell me, Double-Oh-Seven, what do you know about Subject X?", so it always felt like the intro to a video game. Don't get me wrong, I loved the way Bond and M held a kind of mutual respect that bordered on friendship (and te only reason it didn't cross over was because they were employer nd eployee). I hope that's what the Vesper story arc is aiming for, but it needs time to develop. I never did understand why everyone expected Judi Dench's M to suddenly trust Bond intimately when she's the least trusting person in the world and two hours before Quantum of Solace she was only just beginning to trust him to do his job properly ... not to mention the fact that I very much suspect Bond went to Mr. White's villa without M's knowledge, approval, blessing or otherwise.

Of course, if we reverted back to the character of the Connery days, you'd all raise hell over the notion that I just raised: that Quantum of Solace only takes place two hours after Casino Royale and that M hardly trusted Bond there. And before any of you raise the radical idea that M could have trusted Bond at the beginning of that film, see the aforementioned point about her being the least-trusting person in the United Kingdom and Bond being brand-new to the job. Do you really tink you would trust Bond after what he does in Casino Royale if you were in her position? Sure, it's been done before in six of the past seven films (I'm counting Quantum of Solace here), but given that this is the James Bond origin story, it's more appropriate than it ever has been before; even moreso when Bond went rogue in Licence to Kill or when Bond's womanisng was addressed with the introduction of a female M in GoldenEye.

So I guess it's a case of put up, or shut up.

Also wondering what the hell this has to do with Bond 23 being titled Risico as I haven't adressed that yet, so I'll stick something in so that this post has a semalance of remaining on topic: I still think it's a terrible title. Also, poop.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

I just wish Bond could be motivated by his job. Revenge is really so overdone. Yeah, I get it. This time it´s personal. And this time, too. And next time, hey, it´s personal. Maybe he could go rogue in Bond 23?

M calls Bond into his office. (yes, his)

M assigns Bond to do his job.

Bond does it.

Gee, those were the days, right?

"The next time after that it's personal...."

"You know the name, you know the narrative cliche".

God - the heady days of a presented mission all done and dusted in that mahogany strewn office all before the running time has hit ten minutes. Now bloody Judi Dench (as right and superb as she is in the role) has to turn up in every scene like one of the Muppet gang on location and spout tired jargon along the likes of "I never trusted you for this job" all over-delivered (usually in the trailers) like some Celia Johnson drag queen.

Although I don't mind RISICO as a title. It's still better than A WHISPER OF FAN LOVE, A WHISPER OF FAN HATE....

Let's start a poll....which do you prefer...LOVE or HATE....ooops - too late. Someone's already done that. It must have been a slow news day on the gunbarrel exclusive front.

Well, you have to admit there must be a fanboy (or girl) over at EoN who selected Quantum of Solace as the title of Bond 22. I think we can agree QoS wasn't selected (and likely shoe-horned into the plot) for any other reason apart from satisfying some fanboy notion that the word of Fleming = the word of god.

[Mister E]

Risico is an awful title.

[Zorin Industries]

I just wish Bond could be motivated by his job. Revenge is really so overdone. Yeah, I get it. This time it´s personal. And this time, too. And next time, hey, it´s personal. Maybe he could go rogue in Bond 23?

M calls Bond into his office. (yes, his)

M assigns Bond to do his job.

Bond does it.

Gee, those were the days, right?

"The next time after that it's personal...."

"You know the name, you know the narrative cliche".

God - the heady days of a presented mission all done and dusted in that mahogany strewn office all before the running time has hit ten minutes. Now bloody Judi Dench (as right and superb as she is in the role) has to turn up in every scene like one of the Muppet gang on location and spout tired jargon along the likes of "I never trusted you for this job" all over-delivered (usually in the trailers) like some Celia Johnson drag queen.

Although I don't mind RISICO as a title. It's still better than A WHISPER OF FAN LOVE, A WHISPER OF FAN HATE....

Let's start a poll....which do you prefer...LOVE or HATE....ooops - too late. Someone's already done that. It must have been a slow news day on the gunbarrel exclusive front.

Well, you have to admit there must be a fanboy (or girl) over at EoN who selected Quantum of Solace as the title of Bond 22. I think we can agree QoS wasn't selected (and likely shoe-horned into the plot) for any other reason apart from satisfying some fanboy notion that the word of Fleming = the word of god.

No. To Eon Productions, the word of Fleming implies the roots of their product, the DNA for its past and future and - when relevant - the only place to shop for a new title.

Eon do not make films for the fanboys.

And I love the title, QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Have you noticed that everyone knows what the new Bond film is called - or certainly that there is one with an odd title...? THAT's why Eon Productions know what they are doing. The film already has made an impact with non-fans through its title alone. Throw in a title tune the fans hate but that goes to number one in the States and we have another sure fire hit.

[dee-bee-five]

"Risico" was always only ever an adequate title for a brilliant short story. It does not belong on a film poster.

[Aris007]

Not a revenge film again!

[dee-bee-five]

Not a revenge film again!

Quite a number of the Bonds, maybe even a majority, feature revenge to a greater or lesser degree. I can't say it's something that bothers me. And, let's face it, the traditional Bond-M briefing scene had become somewhat passé,whether we like it or not. It's funny how some fans want to cling to things - like Q, Moneypenny or the office scenes - that have clearly had their day, or are in need of seriously updating.

[YOLT]

Risico is an awful title.

But its from Flemig. And thats it.

Also its "universal" than most of the titles. Maybe the most

[Mister E]

But its from Flemig. And thats it.

And ? That's fine for a short story but not a film just like 007 in New York and both really aren't even that good. The Hidebrand Rarity sounds alot better.

Edited by Mister E, 04 September 2008 - 04:55 PM.

[YOLT]

But its from Flemig. And thats it.

And ? That's fine for a short story but not a film. Just like 007 in New York. The Hidebrand Rarity sounds alot better.

007 in New York is not suitable because it has 007 in it. Hildebrand Rarity is ok for me.

[Mister E]

But its from Flemig. And thats it.

And ? That's fine for a short story but not a film. Just like 007 in New York. The Hidebrand Rarity sounds alot better.

007 in New York is not suitable because it has 007 in it. Hildebrand Rarity is ok for me.

I know, I don't like 007 in New York either though I would like a film about 007 in New York.

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

If you check MGW's recent comments, 23 might not even tied to CR and QOS. I don't mind the revenge angle as long as it's well handled. The main problem with LTK is that you have to believe that Bond and Leiter are friends. In the films, Leiter was always a filler.
Regarding RISICO, I'd advise to reread the comic strip adaptation of the short story. Set in linear narrative (unlike the story which starts in media res), it shows how irrelevant the title is. QOS is a good title and it wasn't used before is because it's a difficult title and there should be some level of reference in the story. Who knows, maybe if LTK had been about Bond avenging a lover, they could have used it back then. It also has the advantage that no part of the story had been used before. Risico has already been faithfully adapted and even if it hadn't, only someone wanting to prove they're big fans would root for it.

[TheHildebrandRarity]

This is just speculation, as I don't see how IMDB source can say that its going to be a revenge story, as even the producers are not sure where to go from here.

Edited by TheHildebrandRarity, 04 September 2008 - 05:00 PM.

[Mister E]

This is just speculation, as I don't see how IMDB source can say that its going to be a revenge story, as even the producers are not sure where to go from here.

If Bond indeed quits, I am pretty sure Bond isn't going after Quantum again. That's just a guess though.

[Cody]

I'd rather get away from revenge for 23, but I do want them to use the title Risico soon.

[Zorin Industries]

But its from Flemig. And thats it.

And ? That's fine for a short story but not a film. Just like 007 in New York. The Hidebrand Rarity sounds alot better.

007 in New York is not suitable because it has 007 in it. Hildebrand Rarity is ok for me.

I know, I don't like 007 in New York either though I would like a film about 007 in New York.

I agree. It's the one US location that is screaming out to be used properly again.

And the title for BOND 23 is completely irrelevant now. None of you know what is in BOND 22 let alone BOND 23 so having "I don't like" discussions are completely irrelevant and betraying what is really going on here - folk are becomingly increasingly impatient for SOLACE to come out. And the saddest thing about that is that, a week after it does, the tittle tattle and fanboy rumouring will start all over again and snowball once again with its concerns about gunbarrels, tailored shirts and whether Bond should be eating with his left hand or his right.

I often wonder if these sort of fans are actually fans at all and whether or not their obsessions just happened to settle on Bond because FLASH GORDON or STAR TREK hadn't been on that week.

Though Eon know exactly what the title of the next Bond film needs to be...not maybe what it is, but where it is going. Of course they do. They need to mark Daniel Craig's third and final Bond film with aplomb and verve.....(!!!)

[Mister E]

whether Bond should be eating with his left hand or his right.

LOL ! I was just about to start that thread. Obviously it's the right hand, it's Fleming-esque. Oh and Zorin Industries wins post of the year.

Edited by Mister E, 04 September 2008 - 05:10 PM.

[YOLT]

But its from Flemig. And thats it.

And ? That's fine for a short story but not a film. Just like 007 in New York. The Hidebrand Rarity sounds alot better.

007 in New York is not suitable because it has 007 in it. Hildebrand Rarity is ok for me.

I know, I don't like 007 in New York either though I would like a film about 007 in New York.

I agree. It's the one US location that is screaming out to be used properly again.

And the title for BOND 23 is completely irrelevant now. None of you know what is in BOND 22 let alone BOND 23 so having "I don't like" discussions are completely irrelevant and betraying what is really going on here - folk are becomingly increasingly impatient for SOLACE to come out. And the saddest thing about that is that, a week after it does, the tittle tattle and fanboy rumouring will start all over again and snowball once again with its concerns about gunbarrels, tailored shirts and whether Bond should be eating with his left hand or his right.

I often wonder if these sort of fans are actually fans at all and whether or not their obsessions just happened to settle on Bond because FLASH GORDON or STAR TREK hadn't been on that week.

Though Eon know exactly what the title of the next Bond film needs to be...not maybe what it is, but where it is going. Of course they do. They need to mark Daniel Craig's third and final Bond film with aplomb and verve.....(!!!)

If this is for me I dont WATCH any other Western film series. Its James Bond and thats it. I havent seen any Star Trek or Batman, Harry Potter etc. And discussing the title of the future 007 film is my own right I quess ??

Also I dont think that Bond 23 is going to be the last for Craig. He will make 5 or so I guess.

[Zorin Industries]

But its from Flemig. And thats it.

And ? That's fine for a short story but not a film. Just like 007 in New York. The Hidebrand Rarity sounds alot better.

007 in New York is not suitable because it has 007 in it. Hildebrand Rarity is ok for me.

I know, I don't like 007 in New York either though I would like a film about 007 in New York.

I agree. It's the one US location that is screaming out to be used properly again.

And the title for BOND 23 is completely irrelevant now. None of you know what is in BOND 22 let alone BOND 23 so having "I don't like" discussions are completely irrelevant and betraying what is really going on here - folk are becomingly increasingly impatient for SOLACE to come out. And the saddest thing about that is that, a week after it does, the tittle tattle and fanboy rumouring will start all over again and snowball once again with its concerns about gunbarrels, tailored shirts and whether Bond should be eating with his left hand or his right.

I often wonder if these sort of fans are actually fans at all and whether or not their obsessions just happened to settle on Bond because FLASH GORDON or STAR TREK hadn't been on that week.

Though Eon know exactly what the title of the next Bond film needs to be...not maybe what it is, but where it is going. Of course they do. They need to mark Daniel Craig's third and final Bond film with aplomb and verve.....(!!!)

If this is for me I dont WATCH any other Western film series. Its James Bond and thats it. I havent seen any Star Trek or Batman, Harry Potter etc. And discussing the title of the future 007 film is my own right I quess ??

Also I dont think that Bond 23 is going to be the last for Craig. He will make 5 or so I guess.

I will gladly be proved wrong, but that is a ludicrous notion as time will tell.

[Mister E]

But its from Flemig. And thats it.

And ? That's fine for a short story but not a film. Just like 007 in New York. The Hidebrand Rarity sounds alot better.

007 in New York is not suitable because it has 007 in it. Hildebrand Rarity is ok for me.

I know, I don't like 007 in New York either though I would like a film about 007 in New York.

I agree. It's the one US location that is screaming out to be used properly again.

And the title for BOND 23 is completely irrelevant now. None of you know what is in BOND 22 let alone BOND 23 so having "I don't like" discussions are completely irrelevant and betraying what is really going on here - folk are becomingly increasingly impatient for SOLACE to come out. And the saddest thing about that is that, a week after it does, the tittle tattle and fanboy rumouring will start all over again and snowball once again with its concerns about gunbarrels, tailored shirts and whether Bond should be eating with his left hand or his right.

I often wonder if these sort of fans are actually fans at all and whether or not their obsessions just happened to settle on Bond because FLASH GORDON or STAR TREK hadn't been on that week.

Though Eon know exactly what the title of the next Bond film needs to be...not maybe what it is, but where it is going. Of course they do. They need to mark Daniel Craig's third and final Bond film with aplomb and verve.....(!!!)

If this is for me I dont WATCH any other Western film series. Its James Bond and thats it. I havent seen any Star Trek or Batman, Harry Potter etc. And discussing the title of the future 007 film is my own right I quess ??

Also I dont think that Bond 23 is going to be the last for Craig. He will make 5 or so I guess.

I will gladly be proved wrong, but that is a ludicrous notion as time will tell.

Well 4 has been my personal figure but 5 isn't that ludicris.

[double o ego]

An all out revenge story? Boooooooooooooring!
As passe as the, "Bond I want you to find..." or "What do you know about..." scenarios are, not only is it a break from a decade's worth of reenge story telling, it's a more plausible concept of initiating the story, given the genre of the movie. How many other ways are there to wake up and start your day without opening your eyes first? Sometimes, going the route of tradition works best, plus, it'll be good for Craig's tenure as Bond to actually go on an assignment without things getting personal. Afterall, he's a proffessional, so lets see it.

[Mr Twilight]

To defend the use of RISICO - yes the story has already been used but the title could also be used as a name like Goldfinger or so. I mean, we had names like the one already mentioned, Holly Goodhead Pussy Galore, Mary Goodnight etc so why not Risico... (Roberto Risico)!? As for The Hildebrand rarity, I doubt we will se that one but who knows. 007 in New York? Lets hope not even if it is a Fleming title and not even the original title to that one - Reflections in a...whatever. I would salute EON if they would name it Property of a lady - story used. Yes I know but what the he**. I agree that the revenge theme is overused by now. A simple mission is ok for me - M breifing and Bond out on a mission.