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[HildebrandRarity]

According to this other article, the most seriously injured stuntman is Greek, his colleague is Italian, and they were in one of the Alfa Romeos, that hit a lorry before being thrown against a wall.

They ought to leave that in the film. Anything else would be cowardice and pour shame on the world-wide stunt driver fraternity.

[marktmurphy]

According to this other article, the most seriously injured stuntman is Greek, his colleague is Italian, and they were in one of the Alfa Romeos, that hit a lorry before being thrown against a wall.

They ought to leave that in the film. Anything else would be cowardice and pour shame on the world-wide stunt driver fraternity.

Shouldn't we see if the guy's alright before we crack gags about it?

[marktmurphy]

On the subject of the first crash, interesting to see in this video that the Aston was travelling on UK plates (so definitely not filming):
http://www.i4u.com/article16624.html

[HildebrandRarity]

According to this other article, the most seriously injured stuntman is Greek, his colleague is Italian, and they were in one of the Alfa Romeos, that hit a lorry before being thrown against a wall.

They ought to leave that in the film. Anything else would be cowardice and pour shame on the world-wide stunt driver fraternity.

Shouldn't we see if the guy's alright before we crack gags about it?

I'm NOT cracking a gag! In the same way Nolan thinks it would be offensive to the memory of Heath Ledger to have certain parts cut out revolving around The Joker in TDK, I think it would be offensive to the world stunt community to have a money stunt shot left unused in a James Bond film...and in this case it wouldn't even be a posthumus inclusion. The driver is alive and i'm sure he'd want the shot included in the film if, indeed, it was a legitimate take and the cameras were rolling.

Eon have decided to evoke fond memories of their rich history in this area by engaging in risky stunt work which would capture our collective imaginations...and now, at the first sight of an accident, we're going to cower back into our cubbie holes? I don't think so. These are professionals being paid to do a job...and if they get one defining shot out of it, no matter the danger, then it would elevate the status of their fraternithy and make them proud of what they do and who they are.

[MkB]

Source: http://trentinocorri...e-grave/1449265

The accident occured during a scene with two Alfa 159 and a lorry. The first Alfa, with dummies under the wheel, was supposed to crash in the lorry, but not the second one, with stuntmen behind the wheel. Unfortunately, the first car (with the dummies), dragged by the lorry, got unhooked and swept the car with the two stuntmen. Their car broke through the protective wall along the road, and stood in unstable balance above the lake.

The Greek stuntman is still under intensive care, and is said to have had tonight a delicate surgery, for head injuries. It seems that Dan Bradley, 2nd unit director, went to the hospital in the evening to get more information.
No decision has been made yet about the filming that was planned to take place Thursday.

[Captain Tightpants]

I'm NOT cracking a gag! In the same way Nolan thinks it would be offensive to the memory of Heath Ledger to have certain parts cut out revolving around The Joker in TDK, I think it would be offensive to the world stunt community to have a money stunt shot left unused in a James Bond film...and in this case it wouldn't even be a posthumus inclusion. The driver is alive and i'm sure he'd want the shot included in the film if, indeed, it was a legitimate take and the cameras were rolling.

The difference here is that Heath Ledger had already died when reports came about that the Joker would smuggle himself into wherever it is inside a body bag. Here, the stuntmen were just involved in an accident during filming, and going by MkB's description of what happened, while it may well be a legitimate take, the scene was supposed to happen in a completely different way. I think it would be somewhat callous of them to write the accident into the script after it was caught on camera.

If ever you've seen the film Alien: Resurrection, there's a scene where Ellen Ripley throws a basketball half the length of the court or more without looking and gets it in. Sigourney Weaver apparently got it on the first time, but before the director could call cut, one of the other actors turned straight to the camera and said something along the lines of "Did you just see that!?"

The reason I bring that up is because everyone would have been standing in their designated safety zones for the stunt, but as soon as it went badly, people would have been all over the place making sure the drivers were alright - which they weren't - and getting help in. It's likely that the camera was still rolling, but there would be people all over the place. Dan Bradley couldn't rightly say "Wait, this looks good for the film; no-one go near it for thirty seconds while I get some shots of the wreck!" There were lives at stake, and in that kind of situation, moving quickly is what saves lives. The sooner they got to the car, the sooner they could assess how bad it was, which mean the sooner they could contact help. A rolling camera and visual appeal in the final film would have been the last things on everyone's mind.

[HildebrandRarity]

Hence my use of the term "money stunt shot" in the post you quoted. "Money Stunt Shot" meaning cameras rolling, stunt taking place as intended but going horribly wrong, being captured fully, but with the chaotic mess of support staff thereafter being cleaned up and edited-out in post production. It was a caveated post.

It's not as if a stunt's never gone bad in a James Bond film. Look at Bob Simmons being dragged along in the burning car in the Count Lippe assassination scene in Thunderball...or Johnny Jordan having his leg cut off by a helicopter blade in the aerial fight sequence over the Japanese volcanos in 'Twice...or the train sequence in Octopussy. That's just three off the top of my head. I'm sure there were more.

[MkB]

I had missed that news, but it's in fact the third accident on the Garda set, not the second one: on Tuesday, according to quiBrescia Online, a stuntman had been taken to an hospital after a stunt that resembles very much what has been described for the last accident (car vs. lorry), because his car had been hit by the lorry. Fortunately, he was released of the hospital the same day, as it appeared he had no injuries.

[Shrublands]

[Box]No solace for Bond stuntmen after second crash

8 hours ago

ROME (AFP)

[Captain Tightpants]

Hilderbrand, not everyone knows what a money stunt shot is. I didn't until you just explained it; when I first read that post, I thought you'd mis-typed something...

I had missed that news, but it's in fact the third accident on the Garda set, not the second one: on Tuesday, according to quiBrescia Online, a stuntman had been taken to an hospital after a stunt that resembles very much what has been described for the last accident (car vs. lorry), because his car had been hit by the lorry. Fortunately, he was released of the hospital the same day, as it appeared he had no injuries.

Well, they say these things happen in threes, so I guess the run of bad luck has gone. The third accident was obviously such a minor one that with the other stuntsmen being put into hospital, it didn't really warrant reporting.

[MkB]

The third accident was obviously such a minor one that with the other stuntsmen being put into hospital, it didn't really warrant reporting.

Sure. But if two accidents occured in two days during the same stunt, it must say something about the difficulty of the said stunt.

EDIT: that's certainly what the production thought too: the filming that was planned today has been cancelled for an investigation about the accident, according to this news in Il Messaggero.

[marktmurphy]

There's a picture here of the crash scene:
http://www.thesun.co...icle1084359.ece

[HildebrandRarity]

When I first saw the in-car shots of the roads along Lake Garda on YouTube I thought "how the hell can they film a proper chase sequence on such narrow and confined roads?".

Then I thought about how they still go Grand Prix racing in Formula One cars in the virtual claustrophobic confines of the Principality of Monaco and figured that the James Bond team were continuing their age old tradition of breaking new ground (...and, appearently, new cars.)

Obviously there's a reason why they took five Astons and five Alfas this time as opposed to three to four Astons and Jags to the ice lake for Die Another Day: Narrow, tight, near-one-lane-only roads lined by mountain rock, trees, metal guard-rails and cement walls.

Were we to expect smooth sailing given their discription of the chase and crash "at breakneck speed"?

[marktmurphy]

I imagine they were hoping not to hospitalize anyone.

[HildebrandRarity]

We all would hope for that.

Accidents, however, do happen.

[I think this thread has a discription somewhere of the type of spectacle they were after. Couple that with the type of roads they were going to be filming on, and you have a recipe for a nasty shunt.]

[YOLT]

So the part of Craig have been completed in Italy ? Maybe a 1-2 day shot just Craig sitting in the car

[00Twelve]

Hence my use of the term "money stunt shot" in the post you quoted. "Money Stunt Shot" meaning cameras rolling, stunt taking place as intended but going horribly wrong, being captured fully, but with the chaotic mess of support staff thereafter being cleaned up and edited-out in post production. It was a caveated post.

It's not as if a stunt's never gone bad in a James Bond film. Look at Bob Simmons being dragged along in the burning car in the Count Lippe assassination scene in Thunderball...or Johnny Jordan having his leg cut off by a helicopter blade in the aerial fight sequence over the Japanese volcanos in 'Twice...or the train sequence in Octopussy. That's just three off the top of my head. I'm sure there were more.

I always get a morbid feeling whenever I watch FYEO, where Kriegler wrecks the bike at the finale of the ski chase and topples end over end. That's actually the shot of his stuntman fatally snapping his neck in that end-over-end tumble. Or so I've heard several times. If somebody knows something I don't, I really hope they're right and I'm wrong.

[MkB]

So the part of Craig have been completed in Italy ? Maybe a 1-2 day shot just Craig sitting in the car

No, there are still plenty of things to be filmed in Italy (filming is scheduled in Carrara next week, in Talamonaccio, and back in Siena in May)

[Shrublands]

I always get a morbid feeling whenever I watch FYEO, where Kriegler wrecks the bike at the finale of the ski chase and topples end over end. That's actually the shot of his stuntman fatally snapping his neck in that end-over-end tumble. Or so I've heard several times. If somebody knows something I don't, I really hope they're right and I'm wrong.

I think that you are wrong there.

As far as I was aware, the fatality on FYEO was a member of the bob-sleigh team.

[RivenWinner]

man, I hope the guys all recover and do well

[HildebrandRarity]

I always get a morbid feeling whenever I watch FYEO, where Kriegler wrecks the bike at the finale of the ski chase and topples end over end. That's actually the shot of his stuntman fatally snapping his neck in that end-over-end tumble. Or so I've heard several times. If somebody knows something I don't, I really hope they're right and I'm wrong.

I think that you are wrong there.

As far as I was aware, the fatality on FYEO was a member of the bob-sleigh team.

Is there documentation on this?

[Shrublands]

I always get a morbid feeling whenever I watch FYEO, where Kriegler wrecks the bike at the finale of the ski chase and topples end over end. That's actually the shot of his stuntman fatally snapping his neck in that end-over-end tumble. Or so I've heard several times. If somebody knows something I don't, I really hope they're right and I'm wrong.

I think that you are wrong there.

As far as I was aware, the fatality on FYEO was a member of the bob-sleigh team.

Is there documentation on this?

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[00Twelve]

I see. Well, either way, it's tragic. But in any case, my thoughts go to the hospitalized stuntmen in QOS.

[Shrublands]

I see. Well, either way, it's tragic. But in any case, my thoughts go to the hospitalized stuntmen in QOS.

Very true.

And at least you wont have to get a morbid feeling when you see Kriegler wrecking the bike and toppling over, the stuntman that did that was fine it seems.

[Qwerty]

Second Car Crash On 'Quantum of Solace' Set In Italy

Greek stuntman ends up in hospital with head injuries

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

'Quantum' Filming Suspended In Italy; Accident Investigations Ongoing

Injured stuntman 'doing as well as can be expected'

[MkB]

Strange, I've seen two names mentioned for the injured stuntman: "Aris Comninos" in BBC News, and "Evangelos Grecos" in the ADNKronos news

Trento, 24 apr. - (Adnkronos) - E' tuttora in pericolo di vita, ricoverato al reparto rianimazione dell'ospedale Borgo Trento di Verona, Evangelos Grecos, stunt driver dell'equipe coordinata da Gary Powell, che sta lavorando sul set di James Bond ''007 Quantum''. L'uomo e' rimasto coinvolto ieri pomeriggio in un incidente verificatosi nel tratto di Gardesana che dal bivio della strada che sale a Tremosine prosegue verso Salo'.Grecos e' stato operato una prima volta al suo arrivo e inserata era nuovamente sotto i ferri dell'equipe medica che sta cercando di salvargli la vita.

According to ADNKronos, the Greek stuntdriver belonging to the team directed by Gary Powell is still not out of danger. He has had surgery a first time last night for his head injuries, and is said to be having another surgery now.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Hope that stunt driver makes a full recovery. *god speed*

[Bondian]

Hope that stunt driver makes a full recovery. *god speed*

Ditto.

[zencat]

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