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[Righty007]

Sauce?

Forgive me. My redundant post is intended to piss off the dickheads that gave my previous post a -5.

[Captain Tightpants]

Yeah, I already learned that one the hard way by calling for level-headedness in the BOND 23 subforums, and not getting carried away by half-baked rumours.

Apparently, it was my mistake. Now, watch my reputation on this post take a dive.

[Matt_13]

Yeah I basically stopped using the reputation thing, and when I do use it, it's only to give positive points. There's really no point in negating someone's rep (or elevating it I suppose, but eh, what the hell).


THE DARK KNIGHT.

[DamnCoffee]

Kind of off topic, but it's still Batman!

Anyone had a chance to play Arkham City yet? Just finished the main story tonight. Absolutely brilliant! I ADORE Mark Hammils Joker, too. I would actually go as far to say that he's probably the strongest incarnation.

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I won't believe for a second the Joker is dead, though. They can't kill him off. It's just... wrong.

[coco1997]

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I won't believe for a second the Joker is dead, though. They can't kill him off. It's just... wrong.

Don't be so quick to say that. Mark Hamill is on record saying this will be his final performance as the Joker, which lends credence to the possibility of the character actually being dead. And remember that these games take place outside of the comic book and Nolan film universes, so the creators can pretty much kill off anyone they want and get away with it.

[DamnCoffee]

Yeah, I know Hamill said he was retiring. He's such a fantastic character, though. Perhaps he could be... persuaded back.

I wonder if Arkham 3 will be based around The Riddler, then. He does seem to be the next big bad in line. Plus, I really wouldn't mind it set during the day in some parts, too.

[coco1997]

Yeah, I know Hamill said he was retiring. He's such a fantastic character, though. Perhaps he could be... persuaded back.

I wonder if Arkham 3 will be based around The Riddler, then. He does seem to be the next big bad in line. Plus, I really wouldn't mind it set during the day in some parts, too.

Good ideas. I'm fine with them killing off the Joker. Since we're not getting a Nolan-ized Riddler, a third Arkham game centered around the Riddler would give us a chance to finally see the character done justice.

[Harmsway]

Yeah, I know Hamill said he was retiring. He's such a fantastic character, though. Perhaps he could be... persuaded back.

I wonder if Arkham 3 will be based around The Riddler, then. He does seem to be the next big bad in line. Plus, I really wouldn't mind it set during the day in some parts, too.

Good ideas. I'm fine with them killing off the Joker. Since we're not getting a Nolan-ized Riddler, a third Arkham game centered around the Riddler would give us a chance to finally see the character done justice.

The Riddler is already pretty darn prominent in ARKHAM CITY.

FWIW, the end credits of ARKHAM CITY make it pretty clear that the follow-up will have something to do with

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the Joker's child. Yeppers, Harley Quinn is preggers.

[Matt_13]

Yeah, I know Hamill said he was retiring. He's such a fantastic character, though. Perhaps he could be... persuaded back.

I wonder if Arkham 3 will be based around The Riddler, then. He does seem to be the next big bad in line. Plus, I really wouldn't mind it set during the day in some parts, too.

Good ideas. I'm fine with them killing off the Joker. Since we're not getting a Nolan-ized Riddler, a third Arkham game centered around the Riddler would give us a chance to finally see the character done justice.

The Riddler is already pretty darn prominent in ARKHAM CITY.

FWIW, the end credits of ARKHAM CITY make it pretty clear that the follow-up will have something to do with

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the Joker's child. Yeppers, Harley Quinn is preggers.

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In the steal mill where you first encounter Joker, next to the manequin with Harley's outfit from Arkham Asylum on the floor is a positive pregnancy test. Pretty neat detail.

Amazing game, by the way. The sequel will also clearly deal with the identity thief subplot and whoever the hell that other guy was. Azrael I think was his name.

[coco1997]

Azrael and Hush as major players in the next one is a must.

Sounds like an appropriate title for the inevitable sequel would be Arkham City 2: Seed of Puddin'.

[coco1997]

The more I play the "Arkham" games, the more I realize that the next Batman film series (post-Nolan) should really look to these two games for inspiration. The games are a near-perfect realization of the comic book Batman, marrying elements of "Batman: The Animated Series" with the Christopher Nolan films. As much as I love and respect what Nolan has done for the cinematic Batman, some of the best elements of the "Arkham" games just wouldn't work in the universe he created. Really, who wouldn't want to see Batman in a messy, violent fight to the death with a CGI Clayface or Killer Croc? And it's about time we finally see Mr. Freeze done justice, as he is in "Arkham City".

On a similar note, I think we need to go back to the days of Batman being a bit more reliant on his gadgetry and weapons. As I write this, I realize that there are some obvious parallels here to the backlash "CR" and "QOS" received with a demand for Q to be brought back. I would say the biggest difference here is that, unlike Bond, Batman is a self-funded hero and should have as many weapons and tools at his disposal as he wants. What's important, though, as that they strike that key balance between the ingenuity of Batman's gadgets and the genius of his own mind by showcasing his unrivaled detective skills, which, for the most part, have been neglected in the films, save for "THE DARK KNIGHT".

Lastly, I feel one of the most radical changes for the next film series should be its handling of Batman's allies. Rather than putting us through yet another Batman origin story, I really believe that not only Batman, but the rest of his gang--Robin, Nightwing, Barbara Gordon, etc.--should already be firmly established by the first film. As it stands, even the most casual Batman fans know who Nightwing and Barbara Gordon are, and Robin is a given to anyone with any basic knowledge of pop culture. The "X-Men" films proved that, if done right, comic books films can juggle a large cast of both heroes and villains. As long as the focus remains on Batman, I see no reason why his allies cannot be portrayed and utilized correctly.

[sharpshooter]

Don't be so quick to say that. Mark Hamill is on record saying this will be his final performance as the Joker, which lends credence to the possibility of the character actually being dead. And remember that these games take place outside of the comic book and Nolan film universes, so the creators can pretty much kill off anyone they want and get away with it.

Hamill has said that before. I think it's how he feels at the time. Just a few days ago he said on his twitter account he'd 'come back' for The Killing Joke. Like Mharkin, I think there's a way around this if they want Joker back. The next game will most likely be another two/three years away and feelings can change in that time.

If it was two Clayface Jokers in the final fight, I'd say this is a Joker scheme to fake his death. Joker did say the only way to outwit the world's greatest detective was to be obvious, or something like that.

Another angle is the cure was spilled onto the floor - and as we know Joker has a bit of it. We don't know how potent it is. Maybe he 'died' but a portion of cure was in his system and thus took longer to kick in. An hour later or whatever in the morgue, he wakes up...

I've been grappeling around the city after the story, and you hear goons talk about Joker's demise. Interesting comments. One guy pretty much shrugs it off, saying he's died before. And how Joker must have tricked Batman.

Ras Al Ghul plunged his sword into his own chest, fell on that gate from a great height - and Batman commented to Oracle that he'll be needing a Lazarus Pit. And I suppose Joker (and Talia) could be thrown in a pit if any other loopholes are out of the question. I cannot see how Hugo Strange survives a full on explosion, though. He's dead as a doornail.

Anyway, Batman thinks Joker is dead. And pretty much so do we. The angle of who takes over in a post Joker Gotham can be explored in Arkham 3. And if Hamill can be pursuaded, the clown prince could return at the end to mix that new equilibrium up again. It depends on what happened to his body when Batman walked out with him. And if it was even him (!).

Agreed on Azrael and Hush as the next villains, going on what went down in the side missions. During the main story I wondered what people thought about Bruce Wayne going into Arkham City. If he would survive long, or if he even got out. Well, how that was 'addressed' via Hush was very clever and awesome.

[coco1997]

Anyway, Batman thinks Joker is dead. And pretty much so do we. The angle of who takes over in a post Joker Gotham can be explored in Arkham 3. And if Hamill can be pursuaded, the clown prince could return at the end to mix that new equilibrium up again. It depends on what happened to his body when Batman walked out with him. And if it was even him (!).

Agreed on Azrael and Hush as the next villains, going on what went down in the side missions. During the main story I wondered what people thought about Bruce Wayne going into Arkham City. If he would survive long, or if he even got out. Well, how that was 'addressed' via Hush was very clever and awesome.

It would be interesting to get a game that takes place twenty or so years in the future, with an aging Batman going up against the Joker's son, and a story & environment similar to Frank Miller's classic "THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS". I'm sure it would never happen, but one can dream...

[DamnCoffee]

Just making my way through the side missions now, I've just been given a prophecy about Gotham Burning. Have a feeling that this will be explored in Arkham 3 and will be the end of a trilogy.

[Matt_13]

I think he's dead for good, and I really hope they leave him that way, because that is without doubt a stunningly bold move on the part of Rocksteady. It's really remarkable that the Arkham guys have struck gold twice. These are some really top notch adventures. Hopefully the next installment isn't too far away, though I bet we won't see it for at least 3 years.

[Mr. Blofeld]

...okay, this is awesome: http://www.ujam.com/...es/introduction

Seriously, click the damn link; it's worth your time.

[Captain Tightpants]

Very cool indeed.

EDIT - Photos from shooting in Manhattan: http://forums.superh...9&postcount=332

[killkenny kid]

Wall Street today!


http://www.twitvid.com/HLYBE

[killkenny kid]

Wall Street 11.6.11

[DamnCoffee]

Niiice!

Some nice foreshadowing in Arkham City btw. At the start of the game when you trace the Jokers gun back to the church, and Joker tells you to get out and has rigged the place with explosives. If you stay there past the 5 second countdown, he says something like "Come on Bats, clocks ticking. Fine stay, but I bet you can't resist. You know one of these days I think it's going to be one of us just looking down at the others dead corpse and wondering what to do next, but the question is, who's corpse will it be."

[sharpshooter]

Wow. This movie is going to be all kinds of epic.

[Matt_13]

Whoa.

[Mr. Blofeld]

That... was... AWESOME!!!

[coco1997]

I look forward to seeing Batman getting his kicked by Bane in the movie. It will only make it that much sweeter when he returns the favor at the end of the film.

[DanMan]

I'm all kinds of pumped for this movie. Wish it was coming out today!

[The ides of Mark]

There's a detailed report of the 7 minutes prologue-footage that is shown with MI4: Ghost Protocol (IMAX). There is a link on latinoreview. Could be utter crap, but somehow I think this is the real deal. MAJOR spoilerwarning!

[Captain Tightpants]

If it's a fake, it's a very convincing one.

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The only thing I didn't like was the way Bane knew all about Batman for no apparent reason. It's implied they have met before, though there has been nothing to suggest how, where or when that might have been.

Unless the League of Shadows retrieved the body of Ra's al Ghul and managed to revive him, but his condition forced them to keep him alive through the use of Bane's suit or something. Which would actually be a pretty nifty little twist.

[coco1997]

If it's a fake, it's a very convincing one.

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The only thing I didn't like was the way Bane knew all about Batman for no apparent reason. It's implied they have met before, though there has been nothing to suggest how, where or when that might have been.

Unless the League of Shadows retrieved the body of Ra's al Ghul and managed to revive him, but his condition forced them to keep him alive through the use of Bane's suit or something. Which would actually be a pretty nifty little twist.

I believe there was a rumor floating around at some point that indicated we'd see a young Ras al Ghul training a much younger Bane as a member of the League of Shadows. Perhaps we will see a meeting between Ras and Bane just before Ras leaves for Gotham (set during "Batman Begins") with Ras having somehow caught wind that Wayne is still alive and starting to wreak vengeance on Gotham. This could be when Bane learns of Batman's existence.

[Captain Tightpants]

Possibly, but I suspect the plot outline is a fake, and the writer has Bane knowing Batman's identity purely for the psychological shock value. Nolan's smarter than that - if Bane knows who Batman is, then we will see something beforehand that implies he knows. Having Bane reveal that he knows Bruce Wayne is Batman and then showing a flashback afterward that revelation is just cheap.

[tdalton]

That "review" of the supposed opening of the film just has to be fake. I'll admit, I'm no fan of Nolan's, but he's better than what is put forward as the film's opening 7 minutes.

If it somehow turns out that this is the opening of the film, then my enthusiasm for this project (which was pretty high, as I was very interested in seeing Bane brought to the screen in a serious manner) has taken a nosedive.

Edited by tdalton, 17 November 2011 - 03:26 AM.