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[Captain Tightpants]

True, but the core idea could make for a decent scene - the villains jack-knifing a truck in front of the Batpod to force Batman into an accident. But the whole thing is so obviously a Knightfall homage and loaded with hammy dialogue ("I AM BANE AND I CAN KILL YOU.") that it's a fraud. And from the sound of things, there is a second "review" of the opening scenes floating around out there which possibly contradicts this one.

[tdalton]

At its most basic, the idea of Bane forcing Batman into an accident is an OK idea, but we've kind of already seen it when we had the Joker and Batman playing a game of chicken in the middle of a Gotham street in The Dark Knight.

Regardless, if they felt that they had to have such a scene, I wouldn't be outright opposed to it. My opposition to this particular scene (apart from some terrible dialogue, which gives away the fact that it's a fake) would be the point during the film in which it occurs.

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Having Batman encounter Bane mere moments from escaping from the police after the encounters with both Harvey Dent and the Joker just doesn't work for me. I mean, we'd have Batman escaping from encounters with two villains and then somehow run right smack into a third "supervillain" (for lack of a better term). I think the film should begin some time after The Dark Knight rather than being basically a continuation of the night that The Dark Knight ended on.

I don't mind any similarities, though, to Knightfall. I would like to see that storyline adapted at some point, although a full-on adaptation might not be appropriate as the closing story of a trilogy.

[Captain Tightpants]

I suspect the thing is written by someone who has stitched together videos of shoots and photos to create this scene. I agree that having Batman flee from the police after the Dent-Joker incident and run straight into Bane is ridiculous, but I would not object if THE DARK KNIGHT RISES started immediately after THE DARK KNIGHT, with Batman fleeing the police. We've already seen a video of a shoot showing the Batpod being chased by thirty-odd police cars and armoured trucks, which is certainly something that would fit in with a prologue that builds on the previous ending. If it is indeed in the film, I would not be at all surprised if Nolan wrote and shot it in such a way that it has a certain finality to it; Batman flees Gotham, and will not be seen again for some time. The next half hour or so of the film could be devoid of Batman and Bruce Wayne, showing the impact his departure has on the city.

[The ides of Mark]

True, but the core idea could make for a decent scene - the villains jack-knifing a truck in front of the Batpod to force Batman into an accident. But the whole thing is so obviously a Knightfall homage and loaded with hammy dialogue ("I AM BANE AND I CAN KILL YOU.") that it's a fraud. And from the sound of things, there is a second "review" of the opening scenes floating around out there which possibly contradicts this one.

Captain,
Where can I find that second 'review'? Wonder if there are many similarities as well.

[Captain Tightpants]

I have no idea. I went looking for the one you were talking about on Latino Review, but it just directed me to Comic Book Movie. The description there made mention of a second review of the sequence, one which had been posted earlier in the week. I went looking, but couldn't find it.

[Captain Tightpants]

Empire have two competing covers for RISES. One will reveal Batman, the other Bane, and the reveal will be settled by vote:

http://www.empireonl...ses/reveal.asp?

[Matt_13]

http://movies.ign.co.../1212996p1.html

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......Is that the EMP blaster from Arkham City?

[Captain Tightpants]

I doubt it's a weapon from ARKHAM CITY. It's far more likely that the weapon in ARKHAM CITY is lifted from RISES. I just can't see Nolan including something from the videogame without one hell of a good reason. If there's any similarities, then I'd say Rocksteady got to take a look at elements of production design.

[Righty007]

Batman is conducting a slideshow presentation with an old school projector. Duh!

[killkenny kid]

http://www.superhero...rk-knight-rises

Wow, can't wait for this one.

[Single-O-Seven]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168895-new-photos-from-the-dark-knight-rises

Wow, can't wait for this one.

Great Stuff!! Thanks for posting this, Kid!

I'm quite surprised by the huge gap that occurs between this film and the last. I wonder what Batman has been up to in that time? I'm sure the movie will address it. Can't wait....

[coco1997]

Eight years? Wow.

And the last quote in the article seems to discredit the legitimacy of that prologue summary posted on the previous page. If the movie takes place eight years after "TDK" and the prologue has Batman first encountering Bane mere minutes after the end of "TDK", that implies that Bane's reign of terror over Gotham lasts eight years before Batman finally rises up to defeat him, which I don't buy for one second.

[Single-O-Seven]

Eight years? Wow.

And the last quote in the article seems to discredit the legitimacy of that prologue summary posted on the previous page. If the movie takes place eight years after "TDK" and the prologue has Batman first encountering Bane mere minutes after the end of "TDK", that implies that Bane's reign of terror over Gotham lasts eight years before Batman finally rises up to defeat him, which I don't buy for one second.

I thought the exact same thing. Unless, of course, Bane does break the bat, and the rest of the film picks up 8 years later. But I'm guessing that's not the case, and we're in for a complete surprise.

[Captain Tightpants]

Bane is sounding less and less like a person and more and more like an animalistic force of nature. I approve.

I don't know if it's been posted, but a theatrical trailer will apparently be attached to SHERLOCK HOLMES 2 on December 16.

[coco1997]

I don't know if it's been posted, but a theatrical trailer will apparently be attached to SHERLOCK HOLMES 2 on December 16.

So it's confirmed now? Awesome. I was suspecting as such a few months back.

[Captain Tightpants]

Well, I saw it in an article on Ace Showbiz ... but then, the forums have blocked it from being linked to, so maybe it's not entirely reliable.

[tdalton]

I doubt it's a weapon from ARKHAM CITY. It's far more likely that the weapon in ARKHAM CITY is lifted from RISES. I just can't see Nolan including something from the videogame without one hell of a good reason. If there's any similarities, then I'd say Rocksteady got to take a look at elements of production design.

Nolan would be wise to stay as far away from ARKHAM CITY as possible. Any association with that massive disappointment of a game will only taint what, at least so far, seems to be a rather promising film.

As for the film being set eight years after TDK, I think that's the right move. Having the film pick up immediately after TDK would have been a big mistake, IMO.

[Captain Tightpants]

Having the film pick up immediately after TDK would have been a big mistake, IMO.

I think the film will open on the ending of THE DARK KNIGHT, with the Gotham police chasing Batman and Jim Gordon leading the pursuit. Just as they think they're about to catch him, Batman disappears, and Gordon is the last person to see him. Cut to eight years later, and the events of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES proper.

[tdalton]

The article in which Nolan says that the film picks up eight years later would suggest that the film will begin after the events of TDK rather than picking up where it left off. Nolan says that the prologue that will precede Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol "is basically the first six, seven minutes of the film. It's an introduction to Bane, and a taste of the rest of the film."

If the first few minutes of the film serve as an introduction to Bane and a means to give the audience a taste of the rest of the film, I'm not sure there's enough time there to also wrap up the TDK ending as well. We already know what happens at the end of TDK, so there's really not any reason to revisit it in the beginning of TDKR.

[Captain Tightpants]

Well, I was just going off the video of filming that showed the Batpod being chased by thirty-plus police cars. It looked like something that might be an expanded ending of THE DARK KNIGHT.

[coco1997]

Forgive me if this has been posted before, but here's a very spoiler-heavy account of the "TDKR" prologue. Unlike the one that had Bane breaking Batman's back that was recently posted, this one seems a lot more legit:

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- Josh Pence / Young Ra’s Al Ghul is in this significantly, along with a Young Bane.

- We are getting the League of Shadows. (We knew this) - We see a friendship between Little Boy Bane and Little Talia, and believe it or not, this is going to mirror Young Bruce and Rachel in the very first scene of Batman Begins when they’re children. We won’t see footage of this scene intercut into the prologue, but the word "mirror" is written a few times. There seems to be a huge deal of "reflection" happening in this movie. Things will mirror other things. I have no clue what that means, but it seems fascinating. Talia is to Bane what Rachel was to Bruce – not really a lover, not really a sister-figure, but rather a good friend who shared childhood memories together, some being traumatic.

- This "Unnamed Mad Scientist" that we’ve seen around the sets, played by Alon Aboutboul, is the guy who essentially “created” Bane, and he is a bastard. He performed horrific experiments on him and it will be in the prologue. This man has supposedly helped to create the “Doomsday” device that we’ve seen in the pictures, but I use the word “Doomsday” because I haven’t been told what it is.

- The result of Bane’s health condition comes from a fire (as we all probably could’ve guessed). Ra’s Al Ghul’s wife (Talia’s mother) is trapped in this fire with Bane, along with Talia. Ra’s has only time to save Talia and Bane, but Bane is the last to escape and is severely injured / scarred. This is “tough to watch”, and mirrors Harvey Dent barely making it out of the warehouse. Ra's' wife is viewed as a "witch"/"gypsy" in their village, and Ra's is a "wizard". They're essentially "burning the witch at the stake", and Bane is an unfortunate casualty. (Again, a mirror to his supernatural side) - Villagers arrive with torches like it's the townspeople arriving to kill Frankenstein's monster - in this case, the monster isn't Bane - it's Ra's' wife.

- The brief snippet of Bane crawling up the well in the teaser will be in the prologue. This is part of Bane’s training, administered by Ra’s. Again, this will “mirror” the very first scene of Batman Begins, when Young Bruce falls down the well. It’s essentially the same exact shot. Young Bane RISES UP, Young Bruce FALLS DOWN.

- Among the Batman Begins shots inserted into TDKR: Bruce with longer hair and beard walking through the Chinese prison, Bruce inhaling from the bowl of the hallucinogen, Bane being one of the masked LOS members who was standing in the anonymous pack while Ra’s sicked bats on Bruce from the chest. We see Liam Neeson, but not in terms of new footage here.

- The only new footage we see of Liam Neeson is right when Bane emerges from the top of the well and, Ra’s is standing there waiting for him, impressed. Ra’s training Bane throughout his life mirrors the montage of Batman Begins ("My anger outweighs my guilt"), only this time, through clever editing in montage, we see Josh Pence age quickly into Liam/Ra’s Al Ghul through quick cuts, each cut making Bane a little taller. The ice set is there, though we can't know visually if it's the exact same location (since it's on paper.

[Harmsway]

Where did that account originate?

[coco1997]

http://www.comicbook...s/news/?a=50341

[Captain Tightpants]

I like it. It does read like a bit of fan fiction, but it also feels like something Nolan would make. Especially if we were led to believe that we were watching parts of Bruce Wayne's training until the character was revealed to not be Bruce just before the fire sequence, with thhe first clear indication that it is Bane coming after he escapes the fire.

[Captain Tightpants]

Details of the IMAX prologue:

Even though the opening shot takes place immediately after The Dark Knight and features Commissioner Gordon speaking at Harvey Dent's funeral (and is shot in 35mm), the footage moves immediately to IMAX and the events that transpire during the hostage situation discussed in the viral documents. There, we're treated to a hostage transfer and the reveal of Bane aboard a private plane and an ensuing fight that takes every advantage of the IMAX frame. Think less THE DARK KNIGHT and more INCEPTION or, even closer, an IMAX version of a James Bond film.

Though the response from the crowd was overwhelmingly positive, there was much discussion about Bane's voice. Muffled by his mask and featuring a British accent, it's difficult to fully understand exactly what he is saying (but likely intentionally).

At the conclusion of the footage, there's a rapid montage of shots, all in IMAX, that feature a lot to excite fans, the most intriguing of which is Bane carrying a shattered half of Batman's mask.

And there's also something called Operation Early Bird, which is due to begin in twelve hours.

[Matt_13]

A lot of films being compared to Bond these days, but not too many Bond films being compared to Bond. Really fascinating. Still, I'm excited. I posted in the MI Ghost Protocol thread a list of the theaters that will be showing the IMAX footage.

[Captain Tightpants]

A lot of films being compared to Bond these days, but not too many Bond films being compared to Bond.

That's probably because, by the time SKYFALL is released, the world will have gone four years without a Bond film.

[univex]

A lot of films being compared to Bond these days, but not too many Bond films being compared to Bond.

That's probably because, by the time SKYFALL is released, the world will have gone four years without a Bond film.

Or because there hasn´t been a good Bond film for 6 years now.

[SecretAgentFan]

A lot of films being compared to Bond these days, but not too many Bond films being compared to Bond.

That's probably because, by the time SKYFALL is released, the world will have gone four years without a Bond film.

Or because there hasn´t been a good Bond film for 6 years now.

Ooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............

[Single-O-Seven]

IGN reviews prologue sequence, with mild spoilers:

http://movies.ign.co.../1214310p1.html