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[Zorin Industries]

I think its obvious that the last 2 indy films have been less inspired compared with the energy and enthusiasum of the first 2. Ten year olds are not going to get the sense of awe that the original Raiders 10 yr olds did. The films are not as good. They have poor scripts.
I think what stamper was saying is that in CR they have tried to hide the CGI and other FX. They used it as they had to to tell the story,but most films don't do this. They flaunt it as a way to sell the film

Okay. I can agree with all of that. But wasn't STAR WARS '77 sold on its effects? It sure wasn't George Lucas's skill at dialogue.

And another thing worth thinking here is who are these FX guys now? They ARE those kids raised on RAIDERS and STAR WARS. And even that generation turn out something like THE INCREDIBLE HULK which - from the trailer - looks all over the place effects wise and a fitting companion piece to THE FANTASTIC FOUR.

I think the faults of KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL do not fall at the feet of its special effects. I liked the film and enjoyed it for what it was. But the visual effects team had nothing to do with the tennis match of drafts the script went through to such a point the film was trying to mask its alien leanings (instead of embracing them) and didn't know what its moral Ark or Grail actually was. It just goes to show that America is really worried about upsetting God because Frank Darabont's draft of the script wanted to push more antagonistic aliens, a plane / UFO chase across the US desert and the suggestion that alien civilisations are responsible for all of man's notions of God. Apparently.

My, how we've strayed.

[Marketto007]

We should get the trailer, very very soon...

xxx

[Royal Dalton]

I do wish some people would get this daft idea out of their heads that you have to work in the film industry to be able to have a valid opion of whether a film is good or not. Because you don't.

I'm looking forward to seeing the trailer. But if I don't like it, I'll say so.

[Zorin Industries]

I do wish some people would get this daft idea out of their heads that you have to work in the film industry to be able to have a valid opion of whether a film is good or not. Because you don't.

In the same vein, being an ardent fan of something doesn't constitute a god-given right to moan about the creative decisions made by people who are actually on set and have to make creative decisions based on a myriad of factors, one of which really gets on fan's nerves and that is that the new chapters in such fare as JAMES BOND, SUPERMAN, STAR WARS and DOCTOR WHO are NOT made for the fans.

I just think that some people slam a piece of cinema based on their own nostalgia (granted, a view they are entitled to and which isn't technically "wrong") and get completely bothered about whether filmmakers are doing things right when filmmakers have to make creative decisions all the time - decisions and judgements that are not based on what the fans will say, but moreover what the box office, financiers, broadcasters, actors and distributors will say.

And by the way, the TV and film industries across the world are made up of people who were once, and still are, "fans".

[Scamp]

Never been referred to as a "fanboy" before so now not sure whether to be offended, I thought that putting QoS was not fanboy but expeditious as it saves having to type it all out when you are in a hurry, we all know what it means! It's all getting too highbrow and opinionated now! So am happy to let you guys bicker for a while, just keep the noise down whilst the rest of us wait quietly for the trailer to "escape". Then we can watch it over and over again and pass comment and then move on to the next stage and go through it all again. That's why we all keep coming back again and again! It's call FUN, and as we are not represented in Euro 2008 it's something to do whilst waiting until July 2nd.

Edited by Scamp, 12 June 2008 - 01:25 PM.

[Zorin Industries]

Never been referred to as a "fanboy" before so now not sure whether to be offended, I thought that putting QoS was not fanboy but expeditious as it saves having to type it all out when you are in a hurry, we all know what it means! It's all getting too highbrow and opinionated now! So am happy to let you guys bicker for a while, just keep the noise down whilst the rest of us wait quietly for the trailer to "escape". Then we can watch it over and over again and pass comment and then move on to the next stage and go through it all again. That's why we all keep coming back again and again! It's call FUN, and as wee are not represented in Euro 2008 it's something to do whilst waiting yntil July 2nd.

I will endeavour to keep the noise down. In fact, my Mom has called and it's my dinnertime.

At least the teaser trailer would have lasted longer than England's chances in Euro 2008 had they been there....

[Safari Suit]

Yes but there is a difference between "armchair fantasy film making" and honest critiquing. The idea that we should not be able to criticise films because we couldn't make any better ones is absurd, and if KOTCS is an example of crisp, contemporary film-making than we are truly [CENSORED]ed.

[Scamp]

Still no news from our european colleagues on the dubbing/lack of dubbing of the trailer? Watch this space I guess.

[col_007]

Never been referred to as a "fanboy" before so now not sure whether to be offended, I thought that putting QoS was not fanboy but expeditious as it saves having to type it all out when you are in a hurry, we all know what it means! It's all getting too highbrow and opinionated now! So am happy to let you guys bicker for a while, just keep the noise down whilst the rest of us wait quietly for the trailer to "escape". Then we can watch it over and over again and pass comment and then move on to the next stage and go through it all again. That's why we all keep coming back again and again! It's call FUN, and as wee are not represented in Euro 2008 it's something to do whilst waiting yntil July 2nd.

I will endeavour to keep the noise down. In fact, my Mom has called and it's my dinnertime.

At least the teaser trailer would have lasted longer than England's chances in Euro 2008 had they been there....

I am gutted England aren't at the Euros but more bothered about next season now and seeing how close my team gets to spectre sorry Manchester United anyway i think the trailer will be good plus i haven't read any spoilers or really looked at any photos so this will be my first look at the film

[Icephoenix]

How on earth is a police car going to be sucked into a jet engine? For real? Not even Eon can wrangle the Health and Safety on that one.

Going fanboy on you here Zorin! - but a police car is never sucked into the engines, instead it is blasted away by the wake of the engines (and was actually done for real by using a crane is pull back the car). But you may just be talking about the image of the plane which was CGI, but well dome imo.

Anyway, had nothing to contribute besides that

[DamnCoffee]

I have some news.... the trailer has been passed by the BBFC, it has a run time of 1:51.

http://www.bbfc.co.u...B9?OpenDocument


The Trailer is on its way!

[YOLT]

Just 20 days to go

[Scamp]

Extra support in Euro 2008 for the country that produces the trailer, there's incentive for you!

[Skudor]

So is the trailer out yet?

[Garth007]

im getting a feeling it may be released before hancock comes out...

[overdevelopedtriggerfinger]

20 days is just too damn long to wait! It better get leaked before then. But i take solace in the fact the teaser is 1 min 50 secs long...CR's teaser wasn't as long as that was it?

[Marketto007]

I have some news.... the trailer has been passed by the BBFC, it has a run time of 1:51.

http://www.bbfc.co.u...B9?OpenDocument


The Trailer is on its way!

BIG ACTUAL NEWS!!!!!!

http://www.bbfc.co.u...B9?OpenDocument
It's ready for release any time now!!!!

xxx

[BoogieBond]

Extra support in Euro 2008 for the country that produces the trailer, there's incentive for you!

I've gotta admire your enthusiasm.
I will go with you on this and switch my allegiance. I am hoping it will air in Holland or Sweden first.
What happens if it airs in England first

[DamnCoffee]

Can I suggest this thread and the 'Teaser Trailer released today' thread to be merged.

[iexpectu2die]

As opposed to earlier, I think this news means we're finally entering "any day now" territories.

[Craig is 007]

I am so excited about this one! I am going to order tickets for Hancock as soon as possible. I have to see the trailer on the silver screen.

[Jim]

Can I suggest this thread and the 'Teaser Trailer released today' thread to be merged.

Good idea.

Let me know when you want it deleted and I'll do that, too.

[DamnCoffee]

My media studies teacher is planning a trip to the cinema, and it so happens that it's for Hancock.

[Scamp]

Judging by the number of people on here at the moment the bets are on and this is the place to be!

CommanderBond.net expects every fan to do his/her duty and sek and retrieve the aforementioned trailer and bring it back complete and unharmed....this is your mission, should you wish to accept it! GOOD LUCK

[crheath]

I have some news.... the trailer has been passed by the BBFC, it has a run time of 1:51.

http://www.bbfc.co.u...B9?OpenDocument


The Trailer is on its way!

That seems a lot longer than your average teaser trailer. My guess is that it will show a lot more than the CR teaser, especially since it's so much later in the year than when CR's came out.

[Scamp]

Hang on guys and gals we shouldn't get carried away, we are forgetting that the trailer is bound to contain some element of recap of CR (whoops, fanboy coming out!) even if it's just the closing scene. The entry of the Jaguar to the villa, the shot and then...new footage. It may not of course but I suspect there will be something of CR in it to set the scene. Some running, jumping, shooting and a car chase will fill the rest of the time, oh and some dialogue plus Olga etc. There you are, trailer done! But who knows...... not us at the moment.

Any Croatians or Germans out there, good luck for this evening.

Edited by Scamp, 12 June 2008 - 06:30 PM.

[bond 16.05.72]

I think its obvious that the last 2 indy films have been less inspired compared with the energy and enthusiasum of the first 2. Ten year olds are not going to get the sense of awe that the original Raiders 10 yr olds did. The films are not as good. They have poor scripts.
I think what stamper was saying is that in CR they have tried to hide the CGI and other FX. They used it as they had to to tell the story,but most films don't do this. They flaunt it as a way to sell the film

Okay. I can agree with all of that. But wasn't STAR WARS '77 sold on its effects? It sure wasn't George Lucas's skill at dialogue.

And another thing worth thinking here is who are these FX guys now? They ARE those kids raised on RAIDERS and STAR WARS. And even that generation turn out something like THE INCREDIBLE HULK which - from the trailer - looks all over the place effects wise and a fitting companion piece to THE FANTASTIC FOUR.

I think the faults of KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL do not fall at the feet of its special effects. I liked the film and enjoyed it for what it was. But the visual effects team had nothing to do with the tennis match of drafts the script went through to such a point the film was trying to mask its alien leanings (instead of embracing them) and didn't know what its moral Ark or Grail actually was. It just goes to show that America is really worried about upsetting God because Frank Darabont's draft of the script wanted to push more antagonistic aliens, a plane / UFO chase across the US desert and the suggestion that alien civilisations are responsible for all of man's notions of God. Apparently.

My, how we've strayed.

I never went into Indy 4 expecting much in the first place, so my expectations were not high but I walked out still wondering what I'd just watched.

I'm sorry I really can't see why anyone thinks this is on par with the previous films it is the Phantom Menace to Raiders Empire Strikes Back.

Sorry for wanting a good film I guess I should stop winning and except any old crap Spielberg and Lucas churn out.

People don't give up slagging this film off it was utter rubbish and just cause quite a few are getting upset because we didn't see it the same way they did shouldn't stop us from takin a swing at it.

We make it possible for these films being made by buying the product in the 1st place, whereas I can see where your post is coming from i'm sure when the next film which dissapoints you you won't hold back on your criticism.

Some film makers make films they want to make and aren't bothered about what it grosses but SS & GL weren't doing that with Indy 4 they wanted us to like their film and buy into it.

Lucas's don't expect much and I made it for kids comments about both Indy & SW prequels goes to show he doesn't care about what the people who made him so rich think, we bought the product I'm sorry if expecting more is such a crime.

On the subject of the Trailer it will be here when it's ready, the wait will make it more worth while, a message to Stamper who thinks this will flop because a bunch of fan boys can't wait, how deluded are you.

Edited by bond 16.05.72, 12 June 2008 - 06:40 PM.

[crheath]

I'm trying to remember, was the CR teaser trailer available online before Da Vinci Code came out? I want to wait to see it in the theatre but if it comes out a couple of days before, I won't be able to resist.

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'Quantum' Teaser Trailer Passed By BBFC

First trailer clocks in at 1 minute, 51 seconds

[smartz]

I'm not a moaner by trade- but i feel a little miffed that no-one referenced me when I posted about a friends courier company delivering the trailer to the BBFC and that i was bang on the money. I'm even more miffed though that some shylock on Mi6 decided to pass off my exact post as their own.

Sour martini's i guess!