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Paul Haggis Talks 'Bond 22' & His Vision For 007


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#91 Royal Dalton

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 01:26 AM

I think they could easily go with an unused Fleming title. I think all would work but I favour Quantum Of Solace. Always loved that one!

I like it, too. And it would seem to fit in well with the tone of the film (presumably, anyway). But I wonder if they wouldn't consider it to be a bit too 'Zummerzet Morm-ish' to use as a film title?

With this new (apparent) development it begs the question: Will P&W even get a film credit?

I expect they will do. I would be extremely surprised if some of their ideas didn't still make up a significant portion of the script. Although I imagine we will never know which ideas were theirs and which were Haggis'.

I'd be very surprised if they didn't. But people just luuurrrrrvvvve to give Haggis all the credit. And I imagine he probably quite likes taking it, as well.

Edited by Royal Dalton, 28 August 2007 - 01:26 AM.


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Posted 28 August 2007 - 09:14 AM

I don't get it guys, you all know how Bonds are done. If Haggis would be rewriting everything from scratch and is page 25 today, it means the movie could never come out on the expected date.

Purvis & Wade draft help to set up all the location and sets (ok, maybe they will delete and change about 20% in the rewrite), and they are all setting up right now, as we speak, the shooting dates etc. These things take LONG in advance to secure.

A set is a set, and is defined by the producers and the original writers during meetings. Once they mapped out the whole movie, give or take a few changes, the guys were off to work, and the locations scouts also etc... months in advance.

Haggis is mostly rewriting dialogue and action happening into already DEFINED SETS. He certainly isn't going to submit in december a script with 75% new locations / sets that need to be secured and built in the studio for the next months shoots.

He is not rewriting from scratch, he is rewriting either dialogue or action, to improve the whole shebang. Maybe one different plot twist involving a new set, will come to him during the rewrites. He would need to get it approved first by the producers, before even penning it.

Regarding the opening gunbarrel, it would make no sense to reshoot it. The whole point is that it's Bond first kill. They would just reuse the CR one, if they plan to get it back to the traditional way. No tux, no dance, just the same old first kill and it sounds cool.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 09:29 AM

I think they could easily go with an unused Fleming title. I think all would work but I favour Quantum Of Solace. Always loved that one!

I like it, too. And it would seem to fit in well with the tone of the film (presumably, anyway). But I wonder if they wouldn't consider it to be a bit too 'Zummerzet Morm-ish' to use as a film title?


Efen a Chems Bont feelm title?

#94 Skudor

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 10:21 AM

Juicy stuff... picks up 2 mins after the last one and will be in the same tone. Good stuff.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 10:41 AM

I don't want to see Craig's Bond killing someone in cold blood at the start of every film, thanks very much. I daresay he'll capture Mr White (our developing 007 learning a lesson from CASINO ROYALE, in which he blows the bomber away instead of taking him in) and the PTS will feature some kind of action scene developing from the last moments of CR. But, please, let's go back to the standard gunbarrel with the James Bond Theme - it's worked for 40 years. No more fancy stuff.


I'll second that last bit.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 12:22 PM

I like Haggis saying that it his 'His Bond', I think he is taking alot of care and responisibility with the Script polishes - Cant wait untill I see the final result. :cooltongue:

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 12:26 PM

Indeed. 'His Bond' also states that it is different to what has come before cinematically of late.

Also, it may be new and fresh to people today, but 'His Bond' is merely a slightly updated version of what Dalton pioneered and what Fleming wrote about.

Give me 'His Bond' any day.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 01:16 PM

I don't get it guys, you all know how Bonds are done. If Haggis would be rewriting everything from scratch and is page 25 today, it means the movie could never come out on the expected date.

Purvis & Wade draft help to set up all the location and sets (ok, maybe they will delete and change about 20% in the rewrite), and they are all setting up right now, as we speak, the shooting dates etc. These things take LONG in advance to secure.

A set is a set, and is defined by the producers and the original writers during meetings. Once they mapped out the whole movie, give or take a few changes, the guys were off to work, and the locations scouts also etc... months in advance.

Haggis is mostly rewriting dialogue and action happening into already DEFINED SETS. He certainly isn't going to submit in december a script with 75% new locations / sets that need to be secured and built in the studio for the next months shoots.

He is not rewriting from scratch, he is rewriting either dialogue or action, to improve the whole shebang. Maybe one different plot twist involving a new set, will come to him during the rewrites. He would need to get it approved first by the producers, before even penning it.


Indeed. He'll be granted leeway to add and remove scenes, so long as the set and location requirements remain fundamentally the same. You can add a stairwell, for example, to existing hotel scenes. You can't add a new volcano lair. :cooltongue:

Which is not to say that the influence or changes are minor. His work could totally change the relationships between people, the nature of characters, the tone and rhythm of the whole film, what order information comes out, even which set-pieces happen in which act.

But the foundations are there, and P&W built them. How much of their interior decor remains will be hard to tell...though they've often been forthcoming in interviews after the dust has settled.

Regarding the opening gunbarrel, it would make no sense to reshoot it. The whole point is that it's Bond first kill. They would just reuse the CR one, if they plan to get it back to the traditional way. No tux, no dance, just the same old first kill and it sounds cool.


I can't believe for a second that they'll simply use the CR footage. It's an almost impossible cut - the shot's specifically designed to come off of the shot before it, not to be the opening shot of a movie. It would give no time for the score to build-up, no time for the audience to warm into it...and it starts with an awkward pan to the left.

The whole point of the CR version, for me, was to allow the moment to become 'symbolic'. So that when we see the new version on BOND 22 - a version designed and paced to kick off a movie, akin to what audiences worldwide already know and love - it 'represents' Bond's creation, rather than literally showing it.

Still - time will tell.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 03:06 PM

Which is not to say that the influence or changes are minor. His work could totally change the relationships between people, the nature of characters, the tone and rhythm of the whole film, what order information comes out, even which set-pieces happen in which act.

But the foundations are there, and P&W built them. How much of their interior decor remains will be hard to tell...though they've often been forthcoming in interviews after the dust has settled.


This makes sense to me. Technically P&W will still get credit. I would imagine the characters are theirs; Mr. White, the Algerian boyfriend, Mollaka, etc... (to put it into CR perspective). Locations and basic storylines as well. But if that

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 03:10 PM

Usually film credits have a separate "story by" and "screenplay by" listing. I wonder if P&W will get the story credit and Haggis the screenplay credit.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 04:05 PM


Haggis: "Although, obviously, it's steeped in a lot of Fleming's ideas."

Having just listened to the audio recording of the interview, I've updated this main page article with Paul Haggis' exact wording about "Fleming's ideas", as it seems to have been quite the discussion point. Whether it clarifies the issue or not remains to be seen.

I've also included one more snippet, where Haggis expressed his desire to re-adapt some of the previously-filmed Fleming novels.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 04:28 PM

I do hope in the last Craig Bond be it 23 or 24, they feature the garden of death. And yakuzas that come to Bond help.

And that the beginning of TMWTGG novel, becomes the first scene of the new Bond guy who will follow, coming up amnesiac and with his facial features changed ! Do you hear me, Haggis ?!!!

#103 sharpshooter

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 04:34 PM

That TMWTGG opening would be a sight to see. Both dramatic and reveal Craig's acting ability.

People would chant Bourne rip off at the drop of a hat now though.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 04:43 PM

While I'd really like to see LALD done right, YOLT is a big one on the list, as it obviously has more "never-seen" material. Since Bond 22 follows 2 minutes after CR, it's technically an extension of the CR assignment. I could see YOLT being Bond 23, though Bond's reaction to Vesper and to Tracy aren't anywhere near the same thing. They're actually polar opposite. However, I mentioned the prospect of doing YOLT and TMWTGG as a quadrilogy with CR and B22 (you kind of have to do TMWTGG if you're gonna do YOLT, and it wasn't closely adapted, either), assuming all came right on the heels of the preceding film as B22 does with CR.

Re: TMWTGG as "Bourne rip-off" - As long as it was made quite clearly that the amnesia was Fleming's idea LONG before Bourne was even a passing thought, I don't think there would be a huge problem. It could also be handled differently in style.

I still hang on to a faint hope of seeing the original LALD story (under whatever guise) as Bond's second assignment after the events surrounding CR/B22(/23?). But Bond and Felix need to develop from CR a bit more before any prospect of making Felix paraplegic again.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 05:12 PM

I've also included one more snippet, where Haggis expressed his desire to re-adapt some of the previously-filmed Fleming novels.


That sounds like a great idea to me. If done right, I would love to see closer adaptations of non used elements from the novels.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 05:18 PM

That TMWTGG opening would be a sight to see. Both dramatic and reveal Craig's acting ability.


Only the opening chapter of MWGG would need to be used to make sense of B23/YOLT. They could even end B23/YOLT with the beginning of MWGG and leave it there (at the story's peak of suspense, IMO). Bond undergoes trauma during his escape, then there is the same sort of "multi-ending" that we get in CR, in which Bond recovers with amnesia and attempts to assassinate M, and.... curtain. Leave it there. THAT would be a draw for B24!

People would chant Bourne rip off at the drop of a hat now though.


I wouldn't worry about that. By the time B23/YOLT comes around, Bourne will have been long removed from the "New Releases" shelves at Blockbuster and all the 'spanking' that went on between the two spies will be a faded memory to all.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 06:11 PM



Haggis: "Although, obviously, it's steeped in a lot of Fleming's ideas."

Having just listened to the audio recording of the interview, I've updated this main page article with Paul Haggis' exact wording about "Fleming's ideas", as it seems to have been quite the discussion point. Whether it clarifies the issue or not remains to be seen.

I've also included one more snippet, where Haggis expressed his desire to re-adapt some of the previously-filmed Fleming novels.


Nice work, [dark] :cooltongue:

I urge others to actually listen to the interview. The transciptions give more weight to what seem throwaway comments, IMO.

It's interesting to hear the exact tone and context of Haggis' comments. I believe he is being facetious when he mentions "page 22". It is also interesting that he mentions sitting down for ages with the producers to talk about story before he goes off to write it. I think he is not really treating the Bond questions with much weight (listen to his fascinating comments of Elah - boy, does that sound like a good film) and just responding as neutrally as possible.

#108 Royal Dalton

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 07:17 PM

Yeah, he's mostly just batting them off with tongue-in-cheek asides.

His recent comments about Carice van Houten not being in it are interesting, though.

This far ahead, that could possibly be a hint that there'll be a non-white leading lady in the new film.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 09:40 PM

Though I've been in favor of an all new writing team for Bond22 I'm happy to read PH's comments. I can't wait.

#110 dinovelvet

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 09:42 PM

Yeah, he's mostly just batting them off with tongue-in-cheek asides.

His recent comments about Carice van Houten not being in it are interesting, though.

This far ahead, that could possibly be a hint that there'll be a non-white leading lady in the new film.


Possibly. Though it could also mean they've looked at her, maybe even screen-tested her, and found she was't right for the part. Could also mean the Bond girl must be a specific nationality or race, they might need an American, or Asian, or perhaps likelier, an Italian.
I guess with Haggis' cryptic comments, the Bond 22 fanwanking has officially begun :cooltongue:

#111 zencat

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 09:52 PM

Our fearless friend Stax asks Haggis point blank if the villain is going to be Vesper's boyfriend...

http://movies.ign.co...6/816163p1.html

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 11:23 PM

Our fearless friend Stax asks Haggis point blank if the villain is going to be Vesper's boyfriend...

http://movies.ign.co...6/816163p1.html


That's a yes!!!!

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 11:26 PM

Our fearless friend Stax asks Haggis point blank if the villain is going to be Vesper's boyfriend...

http://movies.ign.co...6/816163p1.html


That's a yes!!!!


:cooltongue:

It isn't anything.

#114 blueman

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 12:35 AM

Unfilmed bits? Two words: giant squid. Bring it.

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 12:38 AM

Unfilmed bits? Two words: giant squid. Bring it.

I hope he works it into the horse race

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 01:47 AM

Unfilmed bits? Two words: giant squid. Bring it.

I hope he works it into the horse race


Its actually a giant squid race.

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 05:44 AM

Unfilmed bits? Two words: giant squid. Bring it.

I hope he works it into the horse race


Its actually a giant squid race.


The loser gets eaten by a bunch of hungry Italians.

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 06:59 AM

I just had this hunch : Vesper's so called boy friend is actually the unnamed EVIL MAN ! Leader of the organisation ! It would make sense that the guy seduced Vesper, and all this talk of him being kidnapped is a smoke screen, he is the bad guy not a victim !

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 01:33 PM



Screenwriter also comments on potential reappearances by Felix Leiter and Q, and his inspiration for the 'Bond 22' script


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Posted 29 August 2007 - 01:37 PM

Interesting. I am loving these little snippets from Haggis.

Bring back the great Jeffrey Wright as Felix. I think it was more or less confirmed in his language. I would like to know what happened when he was going to get Le Chiffre, but didnt.