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[00Twelve]

A bit of sheer appetite-whetting there, but I'll take it! Thanks, [dark], for all the updates. Each little tidbit brings us one step closer to Bond 22.

I myself would love to see Wright back. He captured the part very well I thought, despite the non-traditional lack of chumminess. I hope Bond 22 will give him a chance to grow closer to Bond and form a friendship, while maintaining his credibility as an intelligence agent and not a Bondian "sidekick."

I wonder what the title talk means...did Haggis suggest a non-Fleming title, only to have it shot down by Mike/Babs? Does that mean that they're planning to use a Fleming title, or that Haggis' suggestion didn't include the word "die" enough times?

[DamnCoffee]

Brilliant News, It's always nice to see some updates from the script department . I really hope Leiter returns... with Wright in the role again. As for Q, well.... Lets just say I'm not to fussy, but I would like an appearance from Moneypenny.

[spynovelfan]

John le Carr

[RazorBlade]

[quote name='spynovelfan' post='767246' date='29 August 2007 - 14:56']John le Carr

[JimmyBond]

We've had twenty one films with a character that was based on the writings of Fleming. What's wrong with adding a bit of Le Carre influence into the mix? Certainly can't hurt.

[blueman]

Fleming was never the best at plotting. If Haggis is creating Fleming-type characters and doing more Le Carre-type plotting with them, that sounds swell. Gotta update that 50s-60s Fleming crap anyways.

[Ace Roberts]

I know this has been discussed on other threads to exhaustion - but Haggis's comments about originality and keeping to Fleming-esque style themes makes me wonder if the key to the next film is (indeed) already imbedded in Casino Royale. His reaction to Stax's question about Vesper's boyfriend ("Wouldn't that be cool") just bleeds of genuine disclosure - plus indicating the film opens minutes after the end of Casino Royale confirms (in my opinion) many people's ideas about Bond 22 being a continuation. Myself - I'm pretty pumped to see what Haggis has in store for us.

[DLibrasnow]

His reaction to Stax's question about Vesper's boyfriend ("Wouldn't that be cool") just bleeds of genuine disclosure

His response says nothing of the sort, you seem to be reading something into a statement that quite simply isn't there.

I remember when Clive Owen was being talked about as the next James Bond someone asked about it and Clive said he was going to be "very busy." Suddenly fans started making ridiculous claims that Clive was confirming he was the new 007 when it was obvious to the rest of us that Clive had said nothing of the sort.

I'll give you another interpreattion of the Haggis comment [Hmmm...It would have been cool, but we are going in a different direction]

[DaveBond21]

I'll give you another interpreattion of the Haggis comment [Hmmm...It would have been cool, but we are going in a different direction]

Exactly.

They have also said that they can never make a Bond movie that does not work as a standalone movie, so there can't be too many connections to CR, because you can't have people scratching their heads just because Bond 22 is their first Bond movie.

[blueman]

Vague enough to be open to interpretation? Nobody's right, nobody's wrong, we simply don't have full info. Believe whatever you want to at this point, it's all fair game IMO.

[Jim]

I'll give you another interpreattion of the Haggis comment [Hmmm...It would have been cool, but we are going in a different direction]

Exactly.

They have also said that they can never make a Bond movie that does not work as a standalone movie, so there can't be too many connections to CR, because you can't have people scratching their heads just because Bond 22 is their first Bond movie.

Quite; I can't see them risking continuity when they have deliberately binned continuity one film earlier. Continuity leads to impenetrability for the casual viewer leads to death.

[blueman]

You know, one can make a stand-alone film that follows two minutes after CR...not rocket science, just need to explain things in a timely manner. Bad films do it all the time, badly. Haggis should be able to do it well.

It's not an all-or-nothing.

[dinovelvet]

You know, one can make a stand-alone film that follows two minutes after CR...not rocket science, just need to explain things in a timely manner. Bad films do it all the time, badly. Haggis should be able to do it well.

It's not an all-or-nothing.

Yes I don't think the "two minutes" thing is to be taken literally...it won't start 120 seconds after the words "The name's Bond, James Bond" have been spoken. Because then the film would have to be set two years in the past, for one thing

CR ended in Italy. We know a scene from Bond 22 has been/will be filmed in Palio, Italy. My guess is B22 will start in Palio, with Bond following a lead he got from Mr.White, with some bring-you-up-to-speed dialogue reminding people how CR ended.

[Ace Roberts]

His reaction to Stax's question about Vesper's boyfriend ("Wouldn't that be cool") just bleeds of genuine disclosure

His response says nothing of the sort, you seem to be reading something into a statement that quite simply isn't there.

I remember when Clive Owen was being talked about as the next James Bond someone asked about it and Clive said he was going to be "very busy." Suddenly fans started making ridiculous claims that Clive was confirming he was the new 007 when it was obvious to the rest of us that Clive had said nothing of the sort.

I'll give you another interpreattion of the Haggis comment [Hmmm...It would have been cool, but we are going in a different direction]

I didn't read anything - I watched the interview on Stax's website and watched Haggis' reaction to the question. You might want to do the same thing and see if you agree -

Edited by Ace Roberts, 30 August 2007 - 12:42 PM.

[spynovelfan]

[quote name='RazorBlade' post='767317' date='29 August 2007 - 17:09'][quote name='spynovelfan' post='767246' date='29 August 2007 - 14:56']John le Carr

[Vauxhall]

More good news coming from BOND 22. I would love to see Jeffrey Wright return as Felix Leiter - it's about time that character had some consistency in the actors portraying him! I don't think he even has to have a huge role, perhaps a similar influence as in CASINO ROYALE, with him then getting a larger billing in BOND 23. Also encouraged by the suggestion that we will indeed be getting Vesper's boyfriend as the villain. Everything gradually seems to be formulating. Looking forward to more news.

[Loomis]

[quote name='spynovelfan' post='767650' date='30 August 2007 - 12:55'][quote name='RazorBlade' post='767317' date='29 August 2007 - 17:09'][quote name='spynovelfan' post='767246' date='29 August 2007 - 14:56']John le Carr

[stamper]

Haggis is really the professional of the elusive answer. Still, it gets up to a 5 pages thread in Bond Fansites forums despite him saying nothing !. He literary says nothing, while saying something, that means nothing. And we keep talking, even though we have learned absolutely zip ! No wonder he got the screenwriter job, he is much better at being the eel than I am.

[Ace Roberts]

Haggis is really the professional of the answer which doesn't mean anything, but get up a 5 pages thread in Bond Fansites forums anyway. He literary says nothing, while saying something, that means nothing. And we keep talking, even though we have learn absolutely zip. No wonder he got the screenwriter job, he is much better at being the eel than I am.

I'm confused - he confirmed the movie starts 2 minutes after the end of the events of Casino Royale, he confirmed the rumors of change in tone (i.e. more humor) are not true, he confirmed he is writing an original story and it has nothing to do with any Fleming short story's or titles - how is this construed as learning zip?

[stamper]

We all knew this since ages. Regarding the change in tone, he says it might change by page 100. Q, Leiter, the Algerian boyfriend etc... his answers are superbly done. He never, ever confirms anything.

[Ace Roberts]

We all knew this since ages. Regarding the change in tone, he says it might change by page 100. Q, Leiter, the Algerian boyfriend etc... his answers are superbly done. He never, ever confirms anything.

We all knew what for ages? That the new film starts at the end of Casino Royale? We speculated that - but no one associated with the film has ever said that - until now. That is unless you are accusing Stax of falsifying his interview - because Haggis' words are in quotes. "And it starts right after the last one, two minutes after Casino Royale this movie starts."

And are you saying he didn't confirm that the script he is writing is original and not based on a Fleming short story as well? Again - from Stax's interview: "But I'm giving it a shot and it's an original and it's not based on any book or short story or anything that Ian Fleming had done. Although it is based on Ian Fleming ideas".

Yes, many of us speculated that - but as far as I can determine - this is the first confirmation of this and debunks earlier speculation from Purvis & Wade interviews about using short story themes to the contrary.

I disagree with you 100% - I think he confirms a lot - but I do agree with you without revealing anything of importance to the story-line - which I think is your main point and is well taken.

[stamper]

Ah yes, he is good at that job. ! You got it

[DaveBond21]

I would love to see Jeffrey Wright return as Felix Leiter - it's about time that character had some consistency in the actors portraying him

LOL, yes, good point!!

I would like to see Wright back as Leiter. He didn't have a big role in CR, which was surprising looking back. Although not to me at the time, because a) I had forgotten that Felix was in the movie and b. I had no idea what Jeffrey Wright looked like, so I got a nice surprise when he first introduced himself to Bond - just as the film-makers intended. Also I have never read the novel so I had no idea what was going to happen, at all, apart from the fact that someone had spoiled the ending on here by announcing without putting a Spoiler Alert (and here is my Spoiler Alert) that the main Bond girl dies!


Le Chiffre being killed before the end was a big surprise too.

[Byron]

I would love to see Jeffrey Wright return as Felix Leiter - it's about time that character had some consistency in the actors portraying him

LOL, yes, good point!!

I would like to see Wright back as Leiter. He didn't have a big role in CR, which was surprising looking back. Although not to me at the time, because a) I had forgotten that Felix was in the movie and b. I had no idea what Jeffrey Wright looked like, so I got a nice surprise when he first introduced himself to Bond - just as the film-makers intended. Also I have never read the novel so I had no idea what was going to happen, at all, apart from the fact that someone had spoiled the ending on here by announcing without putting a Spoiler Alert (and here is my Spoiler Alert) that the main Bond girl dies!

Me too as long as Wright isn't shoehorned into the script like DAF and GF or even TLD.

You gotta read the book DaveBond!





Le Chiffre being killed before the end was a big surprise too.

[Qwerty]

I'm all for the return of Jeffrey Wright as Leiter.

[Andrew]

I really do hope that both Leiter and Mathis return, especially Mathis.

I also hope they work Fidele Barbey into it, since they apparently tried to put him in CR (who knows where though). If they bring Barbey, I sincerely hope they bring the Seychelles Islands with him.

[DaveBond21]

Yes, Mathis must return.

I didn't realise until recently just how many classic movies Giancarlo Giannini has been in, especially from the 60's-80's.

[stamper]

Wright & Giannini, oh yeah ! Bond needs consistency now, and not in the MI6 dept, in the secondary characters one. It's great to watch Wright in the movie before he introduces himself, there are lots of hints that he is more than just a mere player.

[Skudor]

If it makes sense, I'm all for Leiter being in the movie - in which case it should be JW.

Mathis will no doubt be mentioned. I'm not sure if he needs to be in it though.

[Major Tallon]

Wright & Giannini, oh yeah ! Bond needs consistency now, and not in the MI6 dept, in the secondary characters one. It's great to watch Wright in the movie before he introduces himself, there are lots of hints that he is more than just a mere player.

I absolutely agree. They made wonderful supporting players.