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[Qwerty]

Haggis makes it sound like he's writing from scratch...

His comments do seem to sound a bit like that.

[Andrew]

Haggis makes it sound like he's writing from scratch...

His comments do seem to sound a bit like that.

I'd say it's very possible, especially being that they even were willing to let him direct the film. That may also provide proof to the claims that the Haggis "polish" to the CR script was much more than that.

[Double-Oh Agent]

If it's not based on "anything that Ian Fleming had done", yet it's "based on Ian Fleming ideas", surely we can only conclude that it's based on the great man's notes for novels/stories that were never written.

That was my line of thinking as well.

My Enemy's Enemy, here we come.

[Jack Spang]

[quote name='[dark]' post='766305' date='26 August 2007 - 19:44']
[quote name='Double-Oh Agent' post='766301' date='26 August 2007 - 17:19']One other thing about this story that really intrigues me is Haggis' comment that
"Everyone thinks they know about the Bond girls and they're wrong." I wonder what that means about the main Bond girl this time around. Is there some spin/variation going on that we're not privy to yet? Could this be the Gala Brand-type Bond girl who DOESN'T sleep with Bond at the end (or before)? Or that there is no main Bond good girl--the only main girl is bad? Could this be something else or am I just reading too much into this?[/quote]
That quote intrigued me as well - but more the first part, in which he's presumably talking about the ending of the film. I'd love it if we didn't get another "Bond gets the girl" ending. This has been the best chance to really do something different and it'd kind of be disappointing if we slipped back into old clich

[stromberg]

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I already feel that I am beginning to learn too much about Bond 22. I'll get to the casting stage, and then, as I did in the run-up to Casino Royale, disappear from the boards for awhile.

C'mon, don't overdo it. The little bits we know now will be common knowledge and part of every report regarding B22, not only on CBn but everywhere else, You'll have to hide in a box to avoid "spoilers". Those few comments don't spoil the least bit. Shooting in Italy and a few comments by Haggis that it might be a direct continuation and not based on a Fleming story, that's all that is really solid. Even the Swiss ski scenes are nothing but a load rumors. If you want to keep it up until the casting stage, you're going to be spoiled a lot more than this.

It's like when we learned that the game in CR would be poker. Big deal. Huge fuss about keeping it a spoiler. And then, it was part of the media coverage months before CR came out. Didn't spoil that much, did it?

[Whalltt]

To Fleming experts around:
Did he leave many notes, unused manuscripts, things like that?

Because that's what I think Haggis meant by "Fleming's ideas", and not actually published bits and pieces.

[Sbott]

To Fleming experts around:
Did he leave many notes, unused manuscripts, things like that?

Because that's what I think Haggis meant by "Fleming's ideas", and not actually published bits and pieces.

I think "Fleming's ideas" is more likely to mean creating a film with the feel of the Bond books, much as Haggis did with CR. This time however the story will be original but the atmosphere, Bonds personality etc. will match those within Fleming's writings. Similar perhaps to the way in which Faulks is tackling the new book.

[Harmsway]

I think "Fleming's ideas" is more likely to mean creating a film with the feel of the Bond books, much as Haggis did with CR. This time however the story will be original but the atmosphere, Bonds personality etc. will match those within Fleming's writings.

Agreed.

[sharpshooter]

I am hoping that means hotel lobby scenes, hotel room snooping scenes and a more espionage oriented film.

[00Twelve]

Re: Writing an original story - If anyone were to be handling another original story, I'm glad it's as good a writer as Haggis. The more original the better. Hopefully the megalomaniacs and WWIII starters will take a backseat for a while. And I agree that he sounds as if he's not just polishing, but practically starting his own story. Who knows?

Re: The gunbarrel - I could go either way on this. In a way, the gunbarrel seems like the logical way to open the film, now that we've got our 00 agent, and he's beginning to come into his own. If it does indeed turn out this way, **PLEASE** EON, drop the tux. It's just Moore-tifying. Suit would work perfectly.

On the other hand, though, while going through all kinds of daydreaming and brainstorming about what might happen in Bond 22 (usually how I get to sleep quickly), I thought about the potential of just opening the film sans gunbarrel, and at some point at the end of the PTS, Bond catches a glimpse of some unscrupulous character (whom the audience knows to be as such), and begins nonchalantly walking away from whatever he's doing. The camera then switches to the gunbarrel view, and we have a traditional "walking" gunbarrel in a real context, as a hybrid of the traditional and CR gunbarrels, and then fade to titles. I wouldn't want gunbarrels like this to be permanent, for obvious reasons, but I could *maybe* see it as a mark of the Craig tenure. Whatever.

Probably sounds like I was closer to dream time than I thought.

[Agent Carter]

"Meanwhile, in a forthcoming interview with CHUD.com, Haggis was asked whether rumours rampant in the British press last month - that Bond 22 would be jokier in tone - were true.

[Judo chop]

Re: Writing an original story - If anyone were to be handling another original story, I'm glad it's as good a writer as Haggis. The more original the better. Hopefully the megalomaniacs and WWIII starters will take a backseat for a while. And I agree that he sounds as if he's not just polishing, but practically starting his own story. Who knows?

Yeah, what is up with that? He says he

[00Twelve]

Oh no...whatever their role has been in Bond 22 is over. [Purvis & Wade Exeunt.]

[Judo chop]

It sounds like P&W's effort was completely blown up and Haggis is starting from scratch.

Could it be that P&W just created the skeleton of the story (created characters put them in a storyline) while Haggis is 100% in control of character development and dialogue?

[sharpshooter]

Dont know. I say let Haggis take complete control. He knows what he is doing.

[Judo chop]

Dont know. I say let Haggis take complete control. He knows what he is doing.

I say it too. I'm just wondering what P&W have done for their paycheck this time around?

What are the odds that P&W won't make the credits on Bond 23?

[ACE]

Oh God! DOn't go back to the traditional gunbarrel sequence.

Yes, do. But with the old sized dots. Not the ginormous ones from the Brozza era.

largedotsnotBond.net
Jeez, first time I've heard comment on the size of the gunbarrel! RD, you are a gunbarrel connoisseur

Anyway, I reckon the film will open something like this:

Traditional gunbarrel (bow tie optional).

Mr. White is assassinated before Bond can question him.

Bond pursues the assassin, who escapes, but leaves behind a clue which leads Bond to Siena.

Bond tracks down the assassin during the Palio Horse Race, and chases him across the rooftops, etc, leading to the conclusion of the PTS in the underground tunnels.

Then, into the main title sequence.

With naked girl silhouettes, again? Please, with sugar on top!!!

That's IT, man! I'm buyin' this baby right here!

Haggis makes it sound like he's writing from scratch, I wonder how much if any he's using from P&W's draft, which was supposed to be based on bits from Fleming's stories? Seems something's not adding up, but as long as Haggis is doing the final draft it's all good.

I wondering if maybe all P&W wrote was a treatment.

Hmmm. I have the oddest feeling they wrote a complete screenplay.

Some observations:

1) P & W were at work on Bond 22 before CR started shooting.

2) I believe P & W did hand in a draft before going on to Barbarella.

3) Would (the Oscar-winning) Haggis, when being interviewed on the junket for a completely different film, go into the nitty gritty about the exact specifics of his re-write? It would cloud the soundbite waters to say, "Well, I'm doing a substantial re-write of two Brit guys who have done the last 3 movies with a story worked out from bits of unused Fleming material - the guy who wrote the original books the producers have largely ignored* - and a story hacked out with the producers."

4) There are a lot of unused Fleming ideas and nuggets from the published work and the unpublished notebooks and TV episode treatments. Perhaps, they are trawling through that? I think episodes or moments from the novels can be satisfyingly eked out.

5) The story for the Bond film is usually hacked out with the producers and agreed prior to the writer writing. I doubt very much that Haggis has been given that much latitude. However, I believe that in Bond terms, freed from the shackles of having to slavishly follow formula, Haggis will have organically greater freedom.

All I know is I'm excited as hell...

I think they could easily go with an unused Fleming title. I think all would work but I favour Quantum Of Solace. Always loved that one!


^{*just being facetious}

[Vauxhall]

I definitely read this as meaning that Haggis was working on polishing page 22 of Purvis and Wade's script at the time of this interview. I can't believe that the producers are only about 3-4 months from the start of shooting with only 20 pages of the script written.

[HildebrandRarity]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='766573' date='27 August 2007 - 16:19']Yeah, what is up with that? He says he

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 27 August 2007 - 05:32 PM.

[Judo chop]

[quote name='HildebrandRarity' post='766597' date='27 August 2007 - 12:29'][quote name='Judo chop' post='766573' date='27 August 2007 - 16:19']Yeah, what is up with that? He says he

[Santa]

It didn't occur to me either although I have to admit that my mother's tongue is French.

[Daddy Bond]

"It picks up 2 minutes after the last one, and it's going to be fun."

That quote right there sounds interesting to me. I like it.

Absolutely, because at the end of CR, I for one was wanting to see that seen played out (but not at the end of CR), but at the beginning of Bond 22.

"It picks up 2 minutes after the last one, and it's going to be fun."

That quote right there sounds interesting to me. I like it.

Absolutely, because at the end of CR, I for one was wanting to see that seen played out (but not at the end of CR), but at the beginning of Bond 22.

Sorry! "SCENE" not "SEEN". I aktually kan spel, evin iph it dusn't seam lyke it.

[DLibrasnow]

I thought that P&W had started writing for Bond 22 shortly after Casino Royale came out? Where are P&W in all of this? Are they going to be doing the polishing this time around?

Michael G. Wilson said on Oct. 14, 2005 at the ceremony announcing Daniel Craig as the new 007 that they were already working on the script for Bond 22. That was months before they even started shooting Casino Royale.

My guess is that Haggis is doing a wholesale rewrite.

After all the last original Bond movie that Purvis and Wade came up with was Die Another Day.

[Judo chop]

My guess is that Haggis is doing a wholesale rewrite.

It certainly sounds like that's what he's doing. But how does that make any financial sense for EON? They hired (and paid) P&W to write a script. They presumably hired Haggis for a polish.

Now Haggis demonstrating divine generosity by spending his time on a complete overhaul? (I would imagine it being a monumental task, though maybe not???)

Why didn't EON just give the pen and paper to Haggis to begin with?

[Santa]

Maybe they got some kind of discount deal on P&W? Like, write 2 get one free?

[Judo chop]

My guess is that Haggis is doing a wholesale rewrite.

It certainly sounds like that's what he's doing. But how does that make any financial sense for EON? They hired (and paid) P&W to write a script. They presumably hired Haggis for a polish.

Now Haggis demonstrating divine generosity by spending his time on a complete overhaul? (I would imagine it being a monumental task, though maybe not???)

Why didn't EON just give the pen and paper to Haggis to begin with?

You know what

[JimmyBond]

With this new (apparent) development it begs the question: Will P&W even get a film credit?

[a man named Bond]

I don't want to see Craig's Bond killing someone in cold blood at the start of every film, thanks very much. I daresay he'll capture Mr White (our developing 007 learning a lesson from CASINO ROYALE, in which he blows the bomber away instead of taking him in) and the PTS will feature some kind of action scene developing from the last moments of CR. But, please, let's go back to the standard gunbarrel with the James Bond Theme - it's worked for 40 years. No more fancy stuff.

I totally agree with this. I understand all the stuff with cr, it was a great film. But lets not get carried away with everything about change. The Bond series has survived 40 plus years, lets not go all gunho about change yet. I like the gunbarrell scene and the m and q scenes from the old films. And forget about jason bourne to me bond is so much better than bourne. In my opinion.

[Vauxhall]

With this new (apparent) development it begs the question: Will P&W even get a film credit?

I expect they will do. I would be extremely surprised if some of their ideas didn't still make up a significant portion of the script. Although I imagine we will never know which ideas were theirs and which were Haggis'.

[stromberg]

With this new (apparent) development it begs the question: Will P&W even get a film credit?

I expect they will do. I would be extremely surprised if some of their ideas didn't still make up a significant portion of the script. Although I imagine we will never know which ideas were theirs and which were Haggis'.

Impossible that Haggis is writing a new storyline. Bits'n'pieces, eventually, but not the whole thing. They already know (and put some serious effort into it) that they're going to need the Siena shots, and this has to be based on "something". Certainly an early draft of the script - the one that was delivered by P&W and which is currently being polished by Haggis (he's on page 22, btw).