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[Vauxhall]

Exactly. It's time for Craig's first traditional gunbarrel. For the pre-title sequence, I'd like to see Bond maybe trying to capture Mr White and take him away for questioning, and possibly being chased or attacked by some of Mr White's organistation around the banks of Lake Como. The scene ending with Mr White safely in custody and ready for further interrogation.

[sharpshooter]

If there is to be a return to the traditional opening, keep the same artillery piece and vertical blood drip from CR.

[Orion]

i think it probably will start with a traditional Gunbarrel opening, i get the feeling that Bond 22 will be the middle ground between a traditional Bond film and Casino Royale.

Edited by Orion, 26 August 2007 - 02:34 PM.

[sharpshooter]

That is the vibe I am getting as well.

[HildebrandRarity]

2 minutes after Casino Royale, Bond gets a call on his cellphone...

M: You were supposed to be in Istanbul last night. I'm afraid this unfortunate Lynd business has clouded your judgment. You have a job to do. I expect you on a plane this afternoon.

Bond: I haven't finished here, M.

M: Leave it to the Italians. It's their mess. Let them clear it up.

Or, to continue in your vein from what we kinda know:

M: YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE ALPS LAST NIGHT BOND. I'M AFRAID THIS UNFORTUNATE GIRL BUSINESS HAS CLOUDED YOUR JUDGEMENT. I EXPECT YOU ON A PLANE THIS AFTERNOON.

Bond: I HAVEN'T FINISHED HERE YET.

M: WE'RE NOT A YATCHING CLUB, 007. YOU HAVE A JOB TO DO AND IF YOU CAN'T...WELL I'LL SEND IN 008 TO REPLACE YOU...

Bond: NO! I'LL MAKE MY WAY TO GENEVA FROM MILAN THIS EVENING... (Bond clicks off cell phone) ... VIA SIENA.

Next shot: The flags and pagentry of the Tuscan palio with Craig in white shirt and loosend dark tie eying his quarry via old video camera...

INSERT: Chase of bad guy intercut with start of horse race. Bond on top of bad guy. Intercut lightning fast edits of horse smashing into to wall at sharp corner on lap one with Bond punching and kicking the living stool out of his quarry...more lightning edits of jockey in yellow silks being thrown into wildly extatcic crowd. Bad guy confesses some information...then tries to knife bond with hidden stiletto. Bond takes man's stiletto and slices him into klienmann's main titles...

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 26 August 2007 - 10:19 PM.

[Bucky]

haggis is saying all the right stuff to get me excited for bond 22.

[DLibrasnow]

From what Paul was saying none of us are close to knowing what is going to happen - movie hype at its best.

Thank goodness. I want to be surprised when I walk into that movie theater.

[Orion]

From what Paul was saying none of us are close to knowing what is going to happen - movie hype at its best.

Thank goodness. I want to be surprised when I walk into that movie theater.

I assume you wont be reading the script if it gets leaked then.

[Gabriel]

Oh God! DOn't go back to the traditional gunbarrel sequence. It was used for a purpose in the first 20 Bond films (with a 3D CGI update for Brosnan) and in a different, fun way in CR. If it gets used, I want to see a similar weapon pov and the dripping blood of CR. It was a great variation on the original and ties back nicely to the books. The CR-style gunbarrel is already the perfect middle ground.

[crheath]

Thank God that the story about Bond 22 being "jokier" was just a rumor.

Why did Craig say that earlier this year?

[Orion]

for the same reason he said he wouldnt wear a tux in CR

[tdalton]

i think it probably will start with a traditional Gunbarrel opening, i get the feeling that Bond 22 will be the middle ground between a traditional Bond film and Casino Royale.

I hope that they start with the traditional opening as well. I like the way that they used it in Casino Royale to sort of give an origin into how and why that particular sequence came about, and I wouldn't be too upset if they tried to do something clever with it again in Bond 22, but I would like to see Craig get at least one traditional opening during his tenure as Bond.

[stromberg]

Gotta love the 'Valley of Elah' press junket.
Bits of info on B22 in each interview

From the VoE interview with collider.com:
[box]Q: Could you talk a little about working on James Bond?

Paul Haggis: I

[Vauxhall]

Thanks for posting that. It will be interesting to see which of these "Ian Fleming ideas" have made it into BOND 22, and whether it is aspects of the plot or simply facets of Bond's character. I tend to think it's more likely to be the latter.

[Royal Dalton]

Oh God! DOn't go back to the traditional gunbarrel sequence.

Yes, do. But with the old sized dots. Not the ginormous ones from the Brozza era.

Anyway, I reckon the film will open something like this:

Traditional gunbarrel (bow tie optional).

Mr. White is assassinated before Bond can question him.

Bond pursues the assassin, who escapes, but leaves behind a clue which leads Bond to Siena.

Bond tracks down the assassin during the Palio Horse Race, and chases him across the rooftops, etc, leading to the conclusion of the PTS in the underground tunnels.

Then, into the main title sequence.

[Santa]

Thanks for posting that. It will be interesting to see which of these "Ian Fleming ideas" have made it into BOND 22, and whether it is aspects of the plot or simply facets of Bond's character. I tend to think it's more likely to be the latter.

I'd like to see, or rather, hear I suppose, bits of Fleming dialogue. Stuff that most people won't recognise but we Bond geeks will get a warm, fuzzy glow in the cinema hearing it. It wouldn't really matter which books they were taken from, it's not like his dialogue has been worn out in the past films so there's plenty that could be made to fit modern scenes.

[MkB]

Interesting interview ! This thing about "Ian Fleming ideas" could match with the idea of elements taken from Goldfinger, discussed in this other thread : http://debrief.comma...p...c=42497&hl=

[Cody]

I'd like to see, or rather, hear I suppose, bits of Fleming dialogue.

As would I. There's a lot of dialogue from the Casino Royale novel that I wish had made it into the film.

[blueman]

Haggis makes it sound like he's writing from scratch, I wonder how much if any he's using from P&W's draft, which was supposed to be based on bits from Fleming's stories? Seems something's not adding up, but as long as Haggis is doing the final draft it's all good.

[dinovelvet]

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[Loomis]

If it's not based on "anything that Ian Fleming had done", yet it's "based on Ian Fleming ideas", surely we can only conclude that it's based on the great man's notes for novels/stories that were never written. What do we know about those jottings?

[Royal Dalton]

I think he just means there'll be unused bits and pieces from the novels and short stories woven into an original storyline. Things like the car chase and landslide from Moonraker, for example.

[blueman]

I think it means he's channeling Elvis. Or he's not gonna tell us anything of value about it, either or.

[zencat]

Haggis makes it sound like he's writing from scratch, I wonder how much if any he's using from P&W's draft, which was supposed to be based on bits from Fleming's stories? Seems something's not adding up, but as long as Haggis is doing the final draft it's all good.

I wondering if maybe all P&W wrote was a treatment.

[Loomis]

I think he just means there'll be unused bits and pieces from the novels and short stories woven into an original storyline. Things like the car chase and landslide from Moonraker, for example.

Maybe I'm taking it too literally, but if it's not something that Fleming had done, surely this means that he's using ideas that Fleming never got round to actually developing, nothing that made it into any of the novels or short stories.

[[dark]]

'Bond 22' Not Based On A Fleming Story

Haggis: "Although, obviously, it's steeped in a lot of Fleming's ideas."

[DaveBond21]

Interesting news. Sounds good already.


And the former continuity-haters now getting continuity will be pleased too, which I still find bizarre!!

[MarcAngeDraco]

Excellent news all around!!

[DLibrasnow]

From what Paul was saying none of us are close to knowing what is going to happen - movie hype at its best.

Thank goodness. I want to be surprised when I walk into that movie theater.

I assume you wont be reading the script if it gets leaked then.

No. I was offered the opportunity to read the Casino Royale script before I saw the movie and declined. I will also decline any such opportunity for this movie.

To be quite frank I like to know as little as possible about the movie before seeing it. I already feel that I am beginning to learn too much about Bond 22. I'll get to the casting stage, and then, as I did in the run-up to Casino Royale, disappear from the boards for awhile.

[Andrew]

I think he just means there'll be unused bits and pieces from the novels and short stories woven into an original storyline. Things like the car chase and landslide from Moonraker, for example.

Maybe I'm taking it too literally, but if it's not something that Fleming had done, surely this means that he's using ideas that Fleming never got round to actually developing, nothing that made it into any of the novels or short stories.

My guess is that he means that Bond, the other characters, etc. will be similar in concept to the type of stuff that Fleming wrote. I guess it's to say it will be more similar to something like CASINO ROYALE than MOONRAKER.

That's just my take on things, though I do hope that they use some of the stuff in the novels that have been left out of the films; there's a lot of gems that would be quite a kick to see on screen.

I'm excited either way.