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SPOILERS: 'Bond 22' Climactic Scenes Revealed?


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#61 doubler83

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:42 PM

Kind of reminds me of Ben Hur.

#62 DamnCoffee

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:48 PM

The carroccio of Siena, during the procession preceding the Palio of August 2006.

Siena

Piazzo del Campo

Overall, looks very nice.


It looks very nice indeed doubler :cooltongue:, I cant wait to see how the scene plays out on the big screen and how the Forster makes use of the scenery.

#63 00Twelve

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:56 PM

Somebody says "foot chase" and the panic alert goes off that we might get a copycat parkour scene. Whoa, nelly!

I'm with Harmsway, Judo, and some of the others in thinking Bond won't have anything to do with the horses. Sounds better, IMO. Whether this has anything to do with a climax or not, a foot chase in Siena while this race is going on sounds like quite a clever idea, because it's not parkour and it's not in a super-high profile area, but it does have a unique nuance in its inclusion of a centries-old local tradition. I do hope, though, that it will involve a substantial villain, rather than a no-name thug like Foucan's character.

Like Daddy Bond, I wouldn't mind a good high octane *gadgetless* car chase, but I'm afraid we'd get all kinds of detractors whining "Bond copied Bourne!" all over the place.

#64 Daddy Bond

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 08:01 PM

Regarding this horse race being "controversial". If anyone complains about anything it becomes "controversial" - just by the fact that someone complains about it. HOWEVER, the word "controversial" does not make something wrong or right - or good or bad for that matter. Craig was a "controversial" choice for Bond - but a great choice none the less. Root beer was a "controversial" drink when it first came out. Taking down the Berlin wall was "controversial" to some. So what?

Now we shouldn't advocate kicking dogs or beating horses just for fun (if you call that fun), but it gets really old hearing some people constantly whining and complaining about everything related to animals and the environment (the religion of today). Some may want to sit around in bathrobes in the grass munching on wildflowers singing "We are the World" and worshipping cats, mice and cockroaches.

So I say, regarding horses, Ride them horses Bond!

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#65 HildebrandRarity

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 08:25 PM

So I say, regarding horses, Ride them horses Bond!

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YeeeeeeeHaaaaa!

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Reminds me of the 3rd Dalton pretitles (or was it James Bond Of The Secret Service (or was it Warhead)) in which there's some joust at the very begining of the movie and everyone in the theatre thinks we're in 11th century...and all of a sudden there's a killing and the horse jumps out of the 11th century background and onto a modern day parking lot and we're off to the races as Bond chases the assassin on horseback through modern city streets amids all kinds of chaos and traffic.

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 13 August 2007 - 08:31 PM.


#66 DamnCoffee

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 08:51 PM

Reminds me of the 3rd Dalton pretitles (or was it James Bond Of The Secret Service (or was it Warhead))


From what your'e saying I'm thinking the Lloyds TSB Commercial. :cooltongue:

#67 Vauxhall

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 09:37 PM

This sounds absolutely brilliant if true and has the making of a great scene. I'm always one who could never have enough of Italy in a movie, so this has definitely come as excellent news to me :cooltongue:

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 09:44 PM

Reminds me of the 3rd Dalton pretitles (or was it James Bond Of The Secret Service (or was it Warhead)) in which there's some joust at the very begining of the movie and everyone in the theatre thinks we're in 11th century...and all of a sudden there's a killing and the horse jumps out of the 11th century background and onto a modern day parking lot and we're off to the races as Bond chases the assassin on horseback through modern city streets amids all kinds of chaos and traffic.

That was supposed to be in Never Say Never Again.

#69 Jack Spang

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 10:34 PM

I was always under the impression that Eon were trying to get a lot closer to Fleming's Bond but with more humour for the purpose of a mainstream audience. I can't recall Bond ever riding a horse in the books. Fortunately Fleming never put him in a situation where he was required to thank god. The literary Bond wasn't part spy, part Indiana Jones and part Laurence of Arabia...thank god! Thankfully there's no indication yet that Bond will be taking the good ol saddle.

Also, Bond should be the one being chased in this scene, not the other way round.

Edited by Jack Spang, 13 August 2007 - 10:37 PM.


#70 Daddy Bond

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 10:37 PM

Huh?

#71 DLibrasnow

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 11:18 PM

The concept reminds me of the scene in Never Say Never Again when Bond rescues Domino from the African slave traders and races along the rooftops and in the alleyeways of that castle on horseback before taking that plunge into the ocean.

#72 HildebrandRarity

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 12:51 AM

Reminds me of the 3rd Dalton pretitles (or was it James Bond Of The Secret Service (or was it Warhead)) in which there's some joust at the very begining of the movie and everyone in the theatre thinks we're in 11th century...and all of a sudden there's a killing and the horse jumps out of the 11th century background and onto a modern day parking lot and we're off to the races as Bond chases the assassin on horseback through modern city streets amids all kinds of chaos and traffic.

That was supposed to be in Never Say Never Again.


Quite, Royal Dalton, now that I think about it. I believe NSNA was originally titled "James Bond Of The Secret Service" (with "Warhead" a rumoured title as well.)

#73 Harmsway

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 03:09 AM

I think this sequence could be pulled off very well. Kind of crazy and exaggerated like the free running sequence from Casino Royale.

I think that this is probably what they're going for with a sequence like this, and that's what bothers me a bit.

To me, at least, it doesn't sound like the free running sequence (which I loved, anyway). It sounds like a Hitchcockian foot chase set against a very fascinating background.

Bond chases the villain through the steep and narrow cobbled streets and then pursues him across the rooftops and through the underground medieval aqueducts, while the horses thunder round the Campo, the main square.

What about that says crazy or exaggerated?

Personally, I'd rather see a good, back-to-basics car chase.

I don't think there's any room for it, really. Bourne's done three of them, and they were all brilliant. I can't see Bond matching it, and for now, I'd just let the car chase thing settle down. I'm getting a little tired of them, actually.

Honestly, I'd like to see them take a page out of the Bourne playbook and craft a great car chase sequence that is talked about for years to come rather than a sequence that is only going to come off as a gimmick that is clearly in the film to try to top the free-running sequence.

What gimmick?

#74 Agent Spriggan Ominae

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:21 AM

The last date seen in Casino Royale is Aug. 4 '06 on Vesper's cell phone. Now this race takes place in August and in Italy so I think it's probably safe to assume that this will somehow take place not too long after the conculsion of that film. The word "climax" could be misleading. They may have been refereing to the climax of a particular sequence which doesn't nessicarily mean it's the end of the film. I'm pretty sure the offcials would have seen some kind of draft or excert of the work in progress script of the sequence before allowing EON to film anything. I wouldn't be suprised if one of the said offcials leaked this info to the press. What better way to get publicty and attention than to say our twon is now the location of a climatic chase from the next Bond film. Both parties benifit in the end.

Edited by Agent Spriggan Ominae, 14 August 2007 - 10:22 AM.


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Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:39 AM

It is the pre-credit sequence. It ends with Bond shooting his horse, then shooting an animal activist, and red blood drips on the screen, leading to the opening credits. Sounds great.

#76 Simon

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:24 AM

I'm sorry, Simon, but actually we have... nothing!
MAYBE they are going to shoot some scenes during the race... without the main actors...
That's all we know.
Remember.
They shooted some scenes too during the Rio Carnaval for MOONRAKER.
At the end, that's what just an exotic background, nothing else.
I don't see the point of discussing about rumours.
Wait and see...


Not sure if English is your first language.

Mine was an attempt at sarcasm, not the easiest of things to catch without an abundance of smilies, but nonetheless it was humour.

Anyway, :cooltongue: :angry: :lol: :D :)

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 01:32 PM

What in this article implies that Bond will do any of the horseracing? :cooltongue:

#78 Judo chop

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 03:48 PM

What in this article implies that Bond will do any of the horseracing? :cooltongue:

Indeed. If anything is racing here, it's imaginations.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 04:14 PM

I found the original article from the Italian newspaper:
http://www.ilgiornal...&...ART=0&2col=

But I don't speak Italian so I can't tell if there's any more information.

#80 Royal Dalton

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 04:27 PM

Going by Babel Fish, it looks like there's a car chase featuring the Aston Martin, followed by a foot chase across the rooftops of Siena, while the race is taking place.

#81 Vauxhall

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 04:36 PM

Going by Babel Fish, it looks like there's a car chase featuring the Aston Martin, followed by a foot chase across the rooftops of Siena, while the race is taking place.

That's the gist of it, and the article also speculates that the production will return to Siena to gain some more shots once shooting officially starts between January and June 2008.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 04:38 PM

Going by Babel Fish, it looks like there's a car chase featuring the Aston Martin, followed by a foot chase across the rooftops of Siena, while the race is taking place.

Ahh. Interesting.

#83 HildebrandRarity

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 04:47 PM

Going by Babel Fish, it looks like there's a car chase featuring the Aston Martin...while the race is taking place.


If Bond used the BMW 750 iL posing as a banker in TND and the Aston Martin DBS posing as a high-stakes gambler in CR...what will he be posing as in Bond 22 I wonder?

I mean, what was Bond posing as in TWINE and DAD when he drove the Z8 and the Vanquish/'Vanish' respectively? The Z8 in TWINE made no sense (Elecktra knew he was MI6) whereas the Aston Martin probably made some sense in DAD given that Bond was probably 'posing' as a man of means who could afford to be a member of Blades where he first meets Gustav Graves.

I hope the producers and writers ensure that whoever Bond is posing as in this sequence, that it makes sense for his cover to be using the Aston...instead of it merely appearing just for the sake of high-octane cinematic expectations of what James Bond has been driving historically.

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 14 August 2007 - 04:54 PM.


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Posted 14 August 2007 - 05:52 PM

Sounds like a great scene, didn't get a bond on a horse vibe though. Doesn't bother that people stick up for animals either.

#85 Vauxhall

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 07:35 PM

There is certainly no evidence from any of these articles that Bond will ride a horse in BOND 22. Just that the producers and writers have decided that the Palio di Siena event will provide a cinematically interesting backdrop to a Bond chase scene - a fact which I definitely agree with.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:42 PM

Going by Babel Fish, it looks like there's a car chase featuring the Aston Martin, followed by a foot chase across the rooftops of Siena, while the race is taking place.

That's the gist of it, and the article also speculates that the production will return to Siena to gain some more shots once shooting officially starts between January and June 2008.


Does the car chase translation include the mention that part of the chase will go "across the town's rooftops"?

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:43 PM

Just one point with that: the new Indy Jones is also under the most intense scrutiny--yet I don't know a bloody thing. Entertainment Tonight's been reduced to 'releasing' a 2-3 second clip of an old auto speeding along.

I know of a reasonable amount about it. I could tell you the basic story and how the characters all fit in. I can also give you a detailed description of one of the action scenes.


Don't suppose you'd be prepared to share any of that here on CBn, Harmsway? Fair enough if you don't feel at liberty to do so, though. No harm in asking. :cooltongue: Alternatively, do you have any info on Indy fansites where this stuff is being discussed? (Real deal info only, of course - I've no interest in idle fan speculation.)

Is INDY 4 shaping up to your satisfaction the way THE DARK KNIGHT is?

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:16 PM

I'm picturing something a little more like the running of the bulls actually. Bond chasing the villain and them having to dodge the horses, kinda like who you see folks dodging the bulls.


If the foot chase spilled out onto the track and the characters had to dodge the horses this would be fabulous! I think the whole scene sounds great as long as Bond isn't riding a horse, and there's been no hint of this yet.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 03:02 AM

Pretty hilarious to see how some fans can twist the information in that article and end up with a "Roger Moore style horse-chase across rooftops"! :cooltongue:

You have to laugh. Fandom: constantly jumping to the wrong conclusions and then criticising the filmmakers for those conclusions.

Personally I'm really looking forward to this hilarious Roger Moore style comedy Bond film delivered to us by the next Peter Greenaway, arthouse auteur Marc Forster :angry:

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 03:59 AM

Don't suppose you'd be prepared to share any of that here on CBn, Harmsway?

I could. This isn't really the thread for it, anyhow, and most of it is already out there in readable form.

Alternatively, do you have any info on Indy fansites where this stuff is being discussed? (Real deal info only, of course - I've no interest in idle fan speculation.)

TheRaider.net is the only Indy site worth checking, and they keep pretty good tabs on the info out there. The fan boards aren't really worth looking at, though.

Is INDY 4 shaping up to your satisfaction the way THE DARK KNIGHT is?

Not quite.

THE DARK KNIGHT is shaping up to be a complex, awesome film that will blow every superhero film out of the water. BATMAN BEGINS seems like slim pickings in comparison (on pretty much every level). Seriously, this is one film that's going to knock everybody on their rear end, and not just Batman fans.

INDY IV is shaping up well, but not quite as good. I'm excited about it, but from what I know expect more of the LAST CRUSADE sentimentality and comedy, which was something I didn't particularly like (RAIDERS and TEMPLE OF DOOM were adventure films with comedy in them; LAST CRUSADE was closer to a comedy with adventure in it). But that said, I've got hopes for some riveting action scenes and some excellent aspects. If nothing else, INDY IV is going to be a nice stroll down Nostalgia Boulevard.