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SPOILERS: 'Bond 22' Climactic Scenes Revealed?

Some filming to reportedly take place this Thursday

SPOILERS: Further Details On Potential 'Bond 22' Action Scene

Original Italian newspaper article clarifies possible sequence

[JimmyBond]

Excuse my language, but holy that's awesome! If ture (and I hope it is) this will be a original climax for a Bond film in a long while. Anyone who was diappointed in the Venice finale should have something to look forward to in this film.

[Royal Dalton]

Sounds like a good sequence, whether it's for the climax, or not.

[Cody]

That is quite a scoop. Feels awkward hearing about the climax so soon, but it sounds like a pretty interesting sequence. I wonder if it's a foot chase - and so kind of like the African Rundown mixed with the Venice build up and surrounded by horses - or if Bond and villain snatch a couple horses out of the race for their chase.

[sharpshooter]

That does sound unique indeed!

[shady ginzo]

The Times article is just throwing up a 404 page but the description here does make what little we know of the scene sound interesting. Before Casino Royale I'd been hoping for a good foot chase, though the free running scene in that film does make this concept sound a little repetative, I'm sure there'll be an interesting new twist on the pursuit.

[Major Tallon]

Who could have believed that Bond 22 would have begun filming so soon? We've all heard these kinds of rumors before, but this one contains a fair amount of self-confirming detail that tends to suggest that it's more than uninformed speculation.

As someone once said, "The whole thing's so crazy it could just be true."

Edited by Major Tallon, 13 August 2007 - 02:08 AM.

[K1Bond007]

This actually sounds pretty neat.

[dinovelvet]

I like this idea, it seems to have that Bondian touch of being slightly outrageous. For some reason I can picture it in a Roger Moore film, but I'm sure Forster and co can go gritty with it.

[Qwerty]

Sounds like this could be a pretty original sequence. Love a good chase sequence. Thumbs up from me so far.

[tdalton]

I like this idea, it seems to have that Bondian touch of being slightly outrageous. For some reason I can picture it in a Roger Moore film, but I'm sure Forster and co can go gritty with it.

This sounds very much like something that would appear in a Roger Moore Bond film, I agree. This, along with the reports about there being more humor in this film have me a bit worried that we may be heading into Roger Moore territory with this one (although I like Moore's Bond and his films, I just don't think that Craig's Bond is well suited for that kind of film).

[K1Bond007]

I don't really get how you guys are jumping to this Roger Moore conclusion. Because it's a horse on rooftops? True Lies had that. Granted it was done with some comedic effect, but I think this sequence could be pulled off very well. Kind of crazy and exaggerated like the free running sequence from Casino Royale. But realistically and in good taste.

I'm not at all bothered by this "more humor" thing. I think it's all just a bunch of crap taken out of context and misinterpreted by the fans. They're not going to come off the most (arguable, I guess, but I'd say it is) critically acclaimed Bond film to date and throw it all out of the window for an Octopussy gag-filled movie. It's not going to happen.

[tdalton]

I think this sequence could be pulled off very well. Kind of crazy and exaggerated like the free running sequence from Casino Royale.

I think that this is probably what they're going for with a sequence like this, and that's what bothers me a bit. I know that I'm in the minority opinion regarding the free-running sequence from CR (I didn't like it at all), but I really don't want to see another sequence like it, and especially one that could just as easily be a part of a Roger Moore Bond film (once again, nothing wrong at all with Moore or his films, it just doesn't fit the new tone of the franchise, IMO).

Personally, I'd rather see a good, back-to-basics car chase. Since the last decent car chase in the series (more than 20 years ago with TLD), we've seen Bond involved with chases on virtually every other mode of transportation that there is (boats, tanks, skis, hovercrafts, free-running, and now horses), but no good car chases. I think that taking elements of the franchise, such as chases, back to basics is the way to go, rather than trying to come up with something more and more outlandish for Bond to do until these sequences just become a boring part of the formula rather than something exciting. Honestly, I'd like to see them take a page out of the Bourne playbook and craft a great car chase sequence that is talked about for years to come rather than a sequence that is only going to come off as a gimmick that is clearly in the film to try to top the free-running sequence.

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The Times article is just throwing up a 404 page but the description here does make what little we know of the scene sound interesting. Before Casino Royale I'd been hoping for a good foot chase, though the free running scene in that film does make this concept sound a little repetative, I'm sure there'll be an interesting new twist on the pursuit.

Apologies, folks. The link to the Times Online story should now be working properly.

I think this sounds great! I was briefly in Siena last month (actually, the day after the first Palio race for this year took place) and it is a rather small, but gorgeous town. We were actually told a bit of the history of the Palio while there and it did sound like a genuinely fascinating - albeit, like Pamplona's San Fermin festival, somewhat archaic and now controversial - event, and one that has remained significant in the local calendar.

If this is true, and assuming Siena isn't doubling for another location, it's interesting that we'll be getting two consecutive Italian-based climaxes.

[zencat]

Wow! What a major revaluation!

Sound pretty good to me. But Italy again?

Thus far, I've not heard a Bond 22 locale that has really excited me.

[Jack Spang]

Maybe it'll just be a normal foot chase that'll be partly on rooftops and on the ground. The Palio will provide an interesting and cultural backdrop, adding activity and an element of tenseness to the scene. Better than the usual explosions. It was never said Bond would be riding a horse. Well, I hope like hell he won't!

Edited by Jack Spang, 13 August 2007 - 04:51 AM.

[yolt13]

Yeah, this Roger Moore stuff has me baffled, too. Are some here simply reading too much into this news because A)there are horses (which appear in a few Moore Bonds) involved, and B)you're already a bit paranoid about the series' direction? Travelogue stuff has always been part of the Bond series, but chasing a villain across rooftops during a fast-paced, centuries old horse race and having him drive out oof a Venice canal in a gondola car are two entirely different things.

[Gobi-1]

I think it's an awesome idea but it does sounds like it could resemble the Tangiers chase from The Bourne Ultimatum only with a horse race involved. But then again Bond did a Tangiers rooftop chase twenty years ago in The Living Daylight so everything is fair game.

[sharpshooter]

When I first heard of the horse idea, I for some reason instantly thought of NSNA. Old school vibes came to me.
Hope it delivers.

[Gobi-1]

I've always wanted to see Bond engage in some horseback polo that quickly turns deadly. Bond hasn't been on horseback since The Living Daylights so it would be a welcome return.

[Cody]

When I first heard of the horse idea, I for some reason instantly thought of NSNA.

AVTAK for me. Not that I think the sequences will be similar, AVTAK's just what came to mind.

[dinovelvet]

Yeah, this Roger Moore stuff has me baffled, too. Are some here simply reading too much into this news because A)there are horses (which appear in a few Moore Bonds) involved, and B)you're already a bit paranoid about the series' direction? Travelogue stuff has always been part of the Bond series, but chasing a villain across rooftops during a fast-paced, centuries old horse race and having him drive out oof a Venice canal in a gondola car are two entirely different things.

Well for me, reading the brief description of this scene caused me to think of Roger Moore. I suppose it IS because Rog got on horseback quite a bit during his tenure. Let's see, there's the horse race in AVTAK, the bit in OP where he chases the plane, and in MR he rides on horseback to see M. And he does a spot of camel riding in TSWLM also! I don't think this scene in Bond 22, or the film in general, will be Roger Moore-like at all. Just today we got a quote from Craig suggesting the film will be about revenge, so I don't think there's much room for double taking pigeons or grabbing sumo wrestler's buttocks.
I'd much prefer it if this could be the Tangiers chase from TLD crossed with the African rundown. BTW when I read the article at the link, the following part at the end was of interest :

"Bribery and violence

— One of the few rules is that jockeys are not allowed to grab their opponents’ reins. They are allowed to whip other horses or knock other riders off their horses"

I think its a given that the villain will grab a horse and try to blend into the race, and Bond will follow suit. This could be a brutal and bloody chase indeed. Of course I don't think anyone will want to see violence being inflicted on horses, particularly, but there's room for things like jockeys flying off their horses into conveniently placed fruit stands, Craig doing superhuman (and superhorse-ian) jumps and such, while at the same time keeping it gritty and suspenseful.

[Jack Spang]

I don't like the idea of Bond riding a horse. This isn't Fleming's Bond. If he used a horse to slowly trot from A to B out in the dessert or something, then this I could live with, but anymore I do not like at all. P & W, do you have Bond riding a horse?

[stamper]

Eh eh eh, I hope Bond kills an animal activist on screen while chasing the guy. UnPC as it can get ! PS : who said he was riding a horse ? The news says he is chasing a guy, while the race is going on. Looks like intercutting scenes to me.

[sharpshooter]

What is wrong with Bond, or anyone for that matter, riding a horse? How does it make it not Fleming's Bond?

[stamper]

A true Fleming Bond, should be an adventure happening in Goldeneye, where Bond sits in front of a typewriter the whole film, between sipping some vodka-martinis on the beach and having a swim.

Pretty exciting eh ?

[Zorin Industries]

It's a good move and a less flashy take on the old chase scene, but I cannot imagine it being the film's climax...

[stamper]

My guess is it is the initial chase. You know, right before he leaves for Japan.

[Zorin Industries]

I don't like the idea of Bond riding a horse. This isn't Fleming's Bond. If he used a horse to slowly trot from A to B out in the dessert or something, then this I could live with, but anymore I do not like at all. P & W, do you have Bond riding a horse?

"This isn't Fleming's Bond"....

No, it isn't. This is the film adaptation / version of Fleming's Bond. It never has been solely Fleming's Bond - otherwise Hugh Laurie would be in the role. A horse chase with this historical and architectural backdrop is perfect for this film and the tone of CASINO ROYALE II. Fleming's Bond never drove a Lotus, never owned a Union Jack parachute or was educated at Oxford...

Edited by Zorin Industries, 13 August 2007 - 08:23 AM.

[stamper]

There is no indication Bond is riding a horse, so don't get on high horses !