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SPOILERS: 'Bond 22' Climactic Scenes Revealed?


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#31 matthieu2046

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 09:18 AM

I think we should remain quiet...
Actually, there is no indication at all that Bond himself will be riding any horses during the film!
According to the report in The Times, Bond 22 will reach its climax in a chase against the BACKGROUND of the Palio, a controversial bareback horse race in the historic Tuscan hill town of Siena, Italy.
As the race is only held twice a year, cameras are due roll on Thursday 15th August, when the Palio will be run. Whilst the plot is being kept under wraps, the town council at Siena has given permission for a climax in which James Bond chases the villain through the steep and narrow cobbled streets and then pursues him across the rooftops and through the underground medieval aqueducts, while the horses thunder round the Campo, the main square. THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT BOND HIMSELF WILL BE RIDING ANY HORSES DURING THE FILM!
Furthermore, filming this week will focus on the race, with scenes involving actors INSERTED LATER.

#32 Mr_Wint

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 09:38 AM

Looking forward to see Bond on a horse again, if this will happen. I loved the horse chase in AVTAK.

#33 MarcAngeDraco

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 10:23 AM

Sounds fascinating and quite original.

Makes some sense that at least part of the film would be set in Italy again, but I hope the we do get some other great locations as well.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 10:44 AM

Could it be that the only fact in this story is that the Bond crew takes some shots in Siena during the horse race on thrusday? Everything else can be a guess from a local journalist with a little imagination IMO.

You know how it goes:
EON: "We need background material of the horse race for a scene in the movie"
Press: "CLIMACTIC SCENE REVEALED: BOND ON HORSEBACK CHASES MAIN VILLAIN IN SIENA'S HISTORICAL HORSE RACE"

At this state of production, EON isn't going to tell some people in Siena parts of their plot.

Some Tuscan CBn agents should really check that out this thursday.
I would. :cooltongue:

#35 Byron

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 11:33 AM

Why Italy again? If Bond 22 continues from where CR ended, Italy would make sense.

This sounds very much like something that would appear in a Roger Moore Bond film, I agree. This, along with the reports about there being more humor in this film have me a bit worried that we may be heading into Roger Moore territory with this one (although I like Moore's Bond and his films, I just don't think that Craig's Bond is well suited for that kind of film).


Cheer up TDalton. It's just like yesterday i remember you being worried about CR when those photos of Craig in casual gear posing with the Aston and Solange turned up. It will be alright in the end. We gotta have faith.

#36 DamnCoffee

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 12:14 PM

Sound really Interesting :cooltongue: I hope it's true :angry:, I'd really like to see Bond on a horse again, the horse scenes in A View to a Kill were probably the highlight of the movie.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 12:18 PM

I'm picturing something a little more like the running of the bulls actually. Bond chasing the villain and them having to dodge the horses, kinda like who you see folks dodging the bulls.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 12:56 PM

Well, now we have the ending, clearly the Whole film will be crap. Hopelessly un-Flemingyesqueish.

Gosh darn it.

I'm banning it.

What are they thinking of? Does anyone know; do you know? I know.

#39 matthieu2046

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 01:07 PM

I'm sorry, Simon, but actually we have... nothing!
MAYBE they are going to shoot some scenes during the race... without the main actors...
That's all we know.
Remember.
They shooted some scenes too during the Rio Carnaval for MOONRAKER.
At the end, that's what just an exotic background, nothing else.
I don't see the point of discussing about rumours.
Wait and see...

#40 00Twelve

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 01:23 PM

Mods: Could we have a smiley that pulls in a fist and says, "YESSSSSSSSSSSSS"? :cooltongue:

Bad[censored]. I've been waiting a long time for the producers to catch wise to the beautiful locales of Italy, other than Venice. And Siena is just gorgeous. The view over the countrysides from up there is amazing...so no excuses from the DP if the sweeping locale shots aren't insanely good! :angry:

And a chase during a horse "race" through town? Just fantastic. Thanks very much for the long awaited news!

#41 Judo chop

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 01:45 PM

There is no indication Bond is riding a horse, so don't get on high horses !

Just what I was thinking. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if he hops on in a dire moment of need.

I swear sometimes animal rights activists can get a little silly though. (If we can't stop horses from getting hurt, at least we can stop Bond!)

At least they think of Bond as a glamorous medium. :cooltongue:

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 02:01 PM

Bond deserves to be spanked by Bourne if Eon's allowing major plot leaks this soon. I'm hoping Eon's simply attempting to drum up excitement with the usual rumors and gossip. If you think back on BU, we knew precious little--including the casting of Scott Glenn and David Strathairn--until just before release. I want to know zilch about B22. The fan part of me does want to know. But the more I am able to learn, this early into production, the less respect I'll feel. Eon doesn't need to learn a thing from Greengrass' cam-ikaze style of shooting--but they could learn about sealing loose lips.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 02:15 PM

Bond deserves to be spanked by Bourne if Eon's allowing major plot leaks this soon. I'm hoping Eon's simply attempting to drum up excitement with the usual rumors and gossip. If you think back on BU, we knew precious little--including the casting of Scott Glenn and David Strathairn--until just before release. I want to know zilch about B22. The fan part of me does want to know. But the more I am able to learn, this early into production, the less respect I'll feel. Eon doesn't need to learn a thing from Greengrass' cam-ikaze style of shooting--but they could learn about sealing loose lips.

Bond is under the highest media scrutiny, so things are going to leak all over the place. It doesn't matter if they try for security or not (hell, the Star Wars prequels tried for real security and floundered, and it's not like Lucas didn't try). The only way you're going to know zilch about B22 is if you stay off of movie news sites.

The reason there was so little knowledge about BOURNE ULTIMATUM is that there was so little media attention centered on it. That and the fact that there was no locked-down script while shooting, so things were just being made up as they went along. It had nothing to do with keeping a clamped-down set or anything like that.

And I don't know why anyone's worried about Bond riding a horse. This sounds like a grittier finale than CASINO ROYALE had, and the article says nothing about riding a horse:

Bond chases the villain through the steep and narrow cobbled streets and then pursues him across the rooftops and through the underground medieval aqueducts, while the horses thunder round the Campo, the main square.


I love the idea. It's classic Fleming, really - gorgeous location, tense scene. Wonder how it all comes out.

#44 Simon

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 02:56 PM

.......... major plot leaks this soon.


Plot leak?

Scene leak, at best.

There's a chase; there's two or three in every movie.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 03:31 PM

Excuse my language, but holy [censored] that's awesome! If ture (and I hope it is) this will be a original climax for a Bond film in a long while. Anyone who was diappointed in the Venice finale should have something to look forward to in this film.


What, he said. Very nice indeed. :cooltongue:

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 03:44 PM

Let me see.

The script is still a work in progress. Haggis is still on the case. The director has yet to fully leave Kite Runner behind and principal photography is, o, five (5! FIVE!) months away...

...and we're to believe that the Equestrian Club of Italy has the inside scoop on the finale to the next James Bond megablockbuster?

I say bull[censored] to that.

On the other hand, I have no difficulty in believing a Moonraker scenario where the actual Carnivale was shot in Rio a year ahead to be intercut with Eon's own Carnivale scenes.

All one should really believe is that they're filming a back drop (at the very least) or "a" chase with Bond in it somewhere (a la Junkanoo in Nassau; Carnivale in Rio) at the very most instead of "the finale/climax".

I say it's all horsesh!t! The Italians are the last in Europe to have their James Bond premieres historically and we're to believe they've now got first dibs on the ending of the next movie.

Reality check, anyone?

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 13 August 2007 - 03:49 PM.


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Posted 13 August 2007 - 03:48 PM

who said he was riding a horse ? The news says he is chasing a guy, while the race is going on. Looks like intercutting scenes to me.


Yeah, that's my preferred interpretation of the tidbit. Bond and the villain having a frantic chase on foot, intercut with the chaos and thundering hooves of the horse race.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 04:41 PM

Information from WIKEPEDIA :
"The Palio di Siena (known locally simply as the Palio), the most famous palio in Italy, is a horse race held twice each year on July 2 and August 16 in Siena, in which the horse and rider represent one of the seventeen Contrade, or city wards. A magnificent pageant precedes the race, which attracts visitors and spectators from around the world.
Both horse and rider are dressed in the colours and arms of the Contrade: Aquila (Eagle), Bruco (Caterpillar), Chiocciola (Snail), Civetta (Owl), Drago (Dragon), Giraffa (Giraffe), Istrice (Porcupine), Leocorno (Unicorn), Lupa (She-Wolf), Nicchio (Shell), Oca (Goose), Onda (Wave), Pantera (Panther), Selva (Forest), Tartuca (Tortoise), Torre (Tower) and Valdimontone (Ram).
The first race (Palio di Provenzano) is held on July 2, which is both the Feast of the Visitation and the date of a local festival in honour of the Madonna of Provenzano (a painting once owned by the Sienese leader Provenzano Salvani, which was supposed to have miraculous curative power).
The second race is held on August 16 (Palio dell'Assunta), the day after the Feast of the Assumption, and is likewise dedicated to the Virgin Mary. After exceptional events (e.g. the Apollo 11 moon landing) and on important anniversaries (e.g. the centennial of the Unification of Italy), the Sienese community may decide to hold a third Palio between May and September.
The field consists of ten horses, which means that only ten of the city wards can take part in the Palio on any occasion. The seven wards which did not take part in the previous place are automatically included; three more are chosen randomly. Three days before the race, private owners offer the pick of their stables, from which representatives of the participating Contrade choose ten of approximately equal quality. A lottery then determines which horse will run for each Contrada. Six trial races are run, the first on the evening of the horse selection and the last on the morning before the Palio. The devout residents of each Contrada invoke the sacred aid of their patron saint on their horse and jockey. The worldly improve their odds with more profane methods, chiefly bribery and doping. The sensible simply keep a close watch on their stable and their rider.
The carroccio of Siena, during the procession preceding the Palio of August 2006.The race is preceded by a spectacular pageant, which includes (among many others) Alfieri, flag-wavers, in medieval costumes.
Just before the pageant, a squad of carabinieri on horseback, wielding swords, demonstrate a mounted charge around the track. Spectators arrive early in the morning, eventually filling the centre of the town square, inside the track, to capacity; the local police seal the entrances once the festivities begin in earnest. Seats ranging from simple bleachers to elaborate box seats may be had for a price, but sell out long before the day of the race. The landlords of buildings overlooking the piazza sometimes stipulate that tenants must be absent on the day of the Palio, in order to rent the space to spectators.
At 7.30 p.m. (July) / 7 p.m. (August), the detonation of an explosive charge echoes across the piazza, signaling to the thousands of onlookers that the race is about to begin.
The race itself runs for three laps of the Piazza del Campo, the outer course of which is covered with several inches of dirt and the corners of which are protected with padded crash barriers for the occasion. The jockeys ride the horses bareback from the starting line, where there is only room for nine horses. The tenth, the rincorsa, stands behind those nine. The start is given by a local authority called Mossiere, who has to wait for all the horses to be in the correct position. When this moment is (with great difficulty) achieved, he activates a mechanism that instantly removes the canapo, the starting cord.
On the dangerous steeply-canted track, the riders are allowed to use their whips not only for their own horse, but also for disturbing other horses and riders.
The winner is the first horse to cross the finish line with its head ornaments intact

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 04:47 PM

Another connection between Bond and Siena : Adolfo Celli (Largo in THUNDERBALL) died at the age of 64 in Siena, due to a Heart Attack.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 06:10 PM

Welcome to the CBn Forums, matthieu2046. :cooltongue:

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 06:12 PM

Bond deserves to be spanked by Bourne if Eon's allowing major plot leaks this soon. I'm hoping Eon's simply attempting to drum up excitement with the usual rumors and gossip. If you think back on BU, we knew precious little--including the casting of Scott Glenn and David Strathairn--until just before release. I want to know zilch about B22. The fan part of me does want to know. But the more I am able to learn, this early into production, the less respect I'll feel. Eon doesn't need to learn a thing from Greengrass' cam-ikaze style of shooting--but they could learn about sealing loose lips.

Bond is under the highest media scrutiny, so things are going to leak all over the place. It doesn't matter if they try for security or not (hell, the Star Wars prequels tried for real security and floundered, and it's not like Lucas didn't try). The only way you're going to know zilch about B22 is if you stay off of movie news sites.

The reason there was so little knowledge about BOURNE ULTIMATUM is that there was so little media attention centered on it. That and the fact that there was no locked-down script while shooting, so things were just being made up as they went along. It had nothing to do with keeping a clamped-down set or anything like that.

And I don't know why anyone's worried about Bond riding a horse. This sounds like a grittier finale than CASINO ROYALE had, and the article says nothing about riding a horse:

Bond chases the villain through the steep and narrow cobbled streets and then pursues him across the rooftops and through the underground medieval aqueducts, while the horses thunder round the Campo, the main square.


I love the idea. It's classic Fleming, really - gorgeous location, tense scene. Wonder how it all comes out.


Just one point with that: the new Indy Jones is also under the most intense scrutiny--yet I don't know a bloody thing. Entertainment Tonight's been reduced to 'releasing' a 2-3 second clip of an old auto speeding along.

Anyway, I don't believe for a second that this leak tells us much of anything yet. But I'd like to see Eon working with a tighter screen this time. Otherwise, I'll be sure to avoid all spoilers. :cooltongue:

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 06:39 PM

Just one point with that: the new Indy Jones is also under the most intense scrutiny--yet I don't know a bloody thing. Entertainment Tonight's been reduced to 'releasing' a 2-3 second clip of an old auto speeding along.

I know of a reasonable amount about it. I could tell you the basic story and how the characters all fit in. I can also give you a detailed description of one of the action scenes. More details are bound to break as the film continues filming.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 06:49 PM

Just one point with that: the new Indy Jones is also under the most intense scrutiny--yet I don't know a bloody thing. Entertainment Tonight's been reduced to 'releasing' a 2-3 second clip of an old auto speeding along.

I know of a reasonable amount about it. I could tell you the basic story and how the characters all fit in. I can also give you a detailed description of one of the action scenes. More details are bound to break as the film continues filming.

Well, sure. You could. All in a day's work for yoda. :cooltongue:

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:13 PM

But what are the chances that an Italian newspaper is privy to the finale or "climax" of a film who's production team is noted for tweaking their scripts even during filming...5 months in advance of the begining of the event!

The thread (obviously as a result of the Times piece) is totally mis-leading and there's zero evidence that this is part of the climax.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:15 PM

But what are the chances that an Italian newspaper is privy to the finale or "climax" of a film who's production team is noted for tweaking their scripts even during filming...5 months in advance of the begining of the event!

Well, obviously we don't know whether this scene is the climax or what. Bond sequences get misreported as the climax or opening of the film all the time in the news. So we can't really say this is the climax.

Though I do think we can say that EON is shooting footage of this horse race to utilize in a sequence of the film... which is probably a foot chase of some kind, as described. As to where this takes place in the film, who knows? It might open the film, for all we know (and actually, I do think that would make for one hell of a PTS).

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:22 PM

The carroccio of Siena, during the procession preceding the Palio of August 2006.

Siena

Piazzo del Campo

Overall, looks very nice.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:25 PM

Just one point with that: the new Indy Jones is also under the most intense scrutiny--yet I don't know a bloody thing. Entertainment Tonight's been reduced to 'releasing' a 2-3 second clip of an old auto speeding along.

I know of a reasonable amount about it. I could tell you the basic story and how the characters all fit in. I can also give you a detailed description of one of the action scenes. More details are bound to break as the film continues filming.

Well, sure. You could. All in a day's work for yoda. :cooltongue:


My point seems to be made, not disproven: sure, there are those in the know--and lucky Harmsway to be one of them--but those who care to work in this or that part of town again don't blab indiscreetly about what they're privileged to know. Is there anybody out there who DOESN'T want to work with Spielberg? The same should hold for Eon.

P.S. Last year someone was reported to have left behind--in a pub!--the script for CR while the film was shooting. I can't imagine that happening on any Spielberg movie.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:26 PM

I think this sequence could be pulled off very well. Kind of crazy and exaggerated like the free running sequence from Casino Royale.



I think that this is probably what they're going for with a sequence like this, and that's what bothers me a bit. I know that I'm in the minority opinion regarding the free-running sequence from CR (I didn't like it at all), but I really don't want to see another sequence like it, and especially one that could just as easily be a part of a Roger Moore Bond film (once again, nothing wrong at all with Moore or his films, it just doesn't fit the new tone of the franchise, IMO).

Personally, I'd rather see a good, back-to-basics car chase. Since the last decent car chase in the series (more than 20 years ago with TLD), we've seen Bond involved with chases on virtually every other mode of transportation that there is (boats, tanks, skis, hovercrafts, free-running, and now horses), but no good car chases. I think that taking elements of the franchise, such as chases, back to basics is the way to go, rather than trying to come up with something more and more outlandish for Bond to do until these sequences just become a boring part of the formula rather than something exciting. Honestly, I'd like to see them take a page out of the Bourne playbook and craft a great car chase sequence that is talked about for years to come rather than a sequence that is only going to come off as a gimmick that is clearly in the film to try to top the free-running sequence.


It could be that a great car chase is also in the works. That would be awesome. Nothing rediculous or absurd - but just a fantasic car chase. And while we're at it, why not both a car chase AND a horse chase? A horse chase does not have to be absurd or silly - it could be fantastic.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:29 PM

I say kill all animal rights protesters.

Bond headlines all over the world :cooltongue:

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:36 PM

If true, this sounds very interesting, and could add more tension and gritty action to it.

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