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[Publius]

I'm no box office guru, but a final gross of somewhere around $580-585 million sounds about right. Should be enough to clear Moonraker for the #5 spot in terms of admissions overall, and #1 since Live and Let Die. Impressive, but really doesn't say much given all the changing variables over the years. Just some nice facts to bring up if anyone claims Casino Royale was anything but a roaring success.

It's also nice to note that for the first time ever, a consciously "back-to-basics" or "down-to-earth" Bond film has outperformed its over-the-top predecessor. So much for realism and grit in Bond movies being automatic box office poison.

[kneelbeforezod]

It's also nice to note that for the first time ever, a consciously "back-to-basics" or "down-to-earth" Bond film has outperformed its over-the-top predecessor. So much for realism and grit in Bond movies being automatic box office poison.

Yes that always used to annoy me around these forums, people that used The Living Daylights and OHMSS as cast iron PROOF that back to basics Bond would never outgross the silly stuff.

That argument ignored the fact that those films were simply not well liked, and I used to point out that theres no reason why, if done well, a gritty down to earth action film shouldn't be a huge success.

And I was right... what a remarkable fellow I am

Edited by kneelbeforezod, 24 January 2007 - 01:35 PM.

[dodge]

It's also nice to note that for the first time ever, a consciously "back-to-basics" or "down-to-earth" Bond film has outperformed its over-the-top predecessor. So much for realism and grit in Bond movies being automatic box office poison.

Yes that always used to annoy me around these forums, people that used The Living Daylights and OHMSS as cast iron PROOF that back to basics Bond would never outgross the silly stuff.

That argument ignored the fact that those films were simply not well liked, and I used to point out that theres no reason why, if done well, a gritty down to earth action film shouldn't be a huge success.

And I was right... what a remarkable fellow I am

Remarkable, indeed. And there you have it on the half-shell: call it the X-Factor, charisma or likeability...Don't know why, don't know how--and maybe it's not even fair--but the camera loves some actors and Dan Craig is one of them. You can't not watch his every move. And cash registers race to keep ringing.

[English Agent]

LATEST WORLDWIDE BOXOFFICE REPORTS FOR CASINO ROYALE
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Boxofficemojo Mon 22nd Jan

USA & CANADA :- $164,426,890 (25th position)

Screen International Sun 21st Jan unless otherwise stated

UK :- $106,730,975 (6th position)

GERMANY:- $48,468,450 (8th position)

FRANCE:- $22,743,229 (17th position) 23rd Jan

AUSTRALIA:- $23,239,791 (6th position)

DENMARK:- $11,930,470 (4th position)

SWITZERLAND:- $10,533,318 (7th position)

HOLLAND:- $9,637,519 (1st position)

ITALY:- $9,048,542 (4th position)

Note: Key markets such as Japan, S.Korea & Spain,
No reports available this week due to fact that CR is
no longer in the top ten in those territories.

WORLDWIDE TOTAL now over $564 mil

[Mr_Clark]

It's also nice to note that for the first time ever, a consciously "back-to-basics" or "down-to-earth" Bond film has outperformed its over-the-top predecessor. So much for realism and grit in Bond movies being automatic box office poison.

Yes that always used to annoy me around these forums, people that used The Living Daylights and OHMSS as cast iron PROOF that back to basics Bond would never outgross the silly stuff.

That argument ignored the fact that those films were simply not well liked, and I used to point out that theres no reason why, if done well, a gritty down to earth action film shouldn't be a huge success.

And I was right... what a remarkable fellow I am

I'd also like to point out that TLD isn't a flop, the film brought in 195 million world wide.

[JCRendle]

So we don't find them out until the end of the run? or just when the overall total comes in?

[Qwerty]

Merged your topic here, English Agent.

[Publius]

I'd also like to point out that TLD isn't a flop, the film brought in 195 million world wide.

True, besides which AVTAK and TLD are both bad examples of over-the-top and realistic, respectively, as the latter was Dalton in a Dalton-tinged Moore film and the former was just downright schizophrenic.

I'd cite YOLT-OHMSS, MR-FYEO, and TLD-LTK instead. Granted, I think more complex factors than "silly = popular, serious = not" were also at work in each case, but the argument had merit...until now.

[kneelbeforezod]

I'd cite YOLT-OHMSS, MR-FYEO, and TLD-LTK instead. Granted, I think more complex factors than "silly = popular, serious = not" were also at work in each case, but the argument had merit...until now.

ah yes: TLD-LTK... that's what I meant to say...

I sometimes think about digging up some of GS's (remember him?) old posts, where he said with absolute certainty that CR didn't have the slightest chance of reaching DAD's gross, and that audiences would find Craig a turn-off, just like they did with Dalton...

I don't mean re-post them in a nasty way, but just because, given where we are now, its so strange to read someone predict a lukewarm-at-best reception for CR with such conviction. But I guess it would be bad form to dig them out (and a bit redundant).

In fact I think I recall you debating the subject with him a fair bit Publius... ah those were the days

[K1Bond007]

I'm no box office guru, but a final gross of somewhere around $580-585 million sounds about right. Should be enough to clear Moonraker for the #5 spot in terms of admissions overall, and #1 since Live and Let Die.

It's already topped Moonraker by my estimates. Chart: World

[kneelbeforezod]

Fascinating chart... any idea why there was that huge drop in admissions for The Man with the Golden Gun?

[K1Bond007]

Fascinating chart... any idea why there was that huge drop in admissions for The Man with the Golden Gun?

It bombed in the United States (though as always it did make money). Overseas it did okay essentially outgrossing everything from Octopussy to Licence to Kill. I've never really seen any reasons for why it did so poorly in the United States beyond that the critics and fans didn't really care for it. Cubby blamed the story on a tight schedule. It's possible that Nixon's resignation and all the current events of the time associated with that played a part. The Man with the Golden Gun was actually released the same day that Rockefeller was sworn in as the Vice President of the United States under Gerald Ford.

[dinovelvet]

Fascinating chart... any idea why there was that huge drop in admissions for The Man with the Golden Gun?

It bombed in the United States (though as always it did make money). Overseas it did okay essentially outgrossing everything from Octopussy to Licence to Kill. I've never really seen any reasons for why it did so poorly in the United States beyond that the critics and fans didn't really care for it. Cubby blamed the story on a tight schedule. It's possible that Nixon's resignation and all the current events of the time associated with that played a part. The Man with the Golden Gun was actually released the same day that Rockefeller was sworn in as the Vice President of the United States under Gerald Ford.

Any theories as to why LALD was so popular? I was amazed to see it was the fourth biggest Bond of all time, I had no idea. I knew Moonraker was huge and I figured that was Rog's biggest hit. So, was Rog what the people wanted to see? Or was it the more American atmosphere? I'm guessing a lot of black audiences who otherwise wouldn't be interested in Bond came to see it.

[K1Bond007]

Fascinating chart... any idea why there was that huge drop in admissions for The Man with the Golden Gun?

It bombed in the United States (though as always it did make money). Overseas it did okay essentially outgrossing everything from Octopussy to Licence to Kill. I've never really seen any reasons for why it did so poorly in the United States beyond that the critics and fans didn't really care for it. Cubby blamed the story on a tight schedule. It's possible that Nixon's resignation and all the current events of the time associated with that played a part. The Man with the Golden Gun was actually released the same day that Rockefeller was sworn in as the Vice President of the United States under Gerald Ford.

Any theories as to why LALD was so popular? I was amazed to see it was the fourth biggest Bond of all time, I had no idea. I knew Moonraker was huge and I figured that was Rog's biggest hit. So, was Rog what the people wanted to see? Or was it the more American atmosphere? I'm guessing a lot of black audiences who otherwise wouldn't be interested in Bond came to see it.

It was successful in the United States, but as far as Bond films go, Live and Let Die underperformed from the previous film by a sizable margin. It's success then obviously came overseas. The main reason why IMHO is simply because Moore was new to the role. It's a trend. Lazenby's OHMSS actually outperformed You Only Live Twice overseas (according to Sony's numbers), TLD outdid AVTAK overseas, GE > LTK, and even now CR > DAD. Roger Moore's performance also from what I remember reading about wasn't exactly high praise, but what he didn't get was a lot of criticism like Lazenby did. Moore was also a name that a lot of people recognized mainly due to The Saint and The Persuaders (British shows that to my knowledge didn't play in the U.S. so ... that may go to why he didn't make a bigger splash stateside).

I'm sure there are probably a number of other reasons. Perhaps some of the Moore fans around here might have more insight on this.

[Publius]

I'm sure there are probably a number of other reasons. Perhaps some of the Moore fans around here might have more insight on this.

Could the summer release have helped? TMWTGG got a winter release like the first seven films, and the rest of Moore's went back to the summer schedule, so maybe the window for possible blockbusters had changed from the 60s?

[English Agent]

Getting back on track with this thread...........to put
CR's Boxoffice into perspective the film lies in 7th place
on the UK alltime list in its home currency.

CR needs only to gross a little more than 700,000 pounds
to take 6th place away from 'HARRY POTTER and THE CHAMBER OF SECRETS'.

In 1st place is TITANIC with around 69mil pounds, the other places below are filled by the LOTR trilogy and HARRY POTTER and THE
PHILOSOPHERS STONE (or SORCERERS STONE for US people).

Its quite an achievement when a Bond film can match these family
orientated films which have/had a larger potential audience.

Roll on Bond 22!!

[English Agent]

Theatre count for the North American market as from tomorrow:-

364 theatres.

It looks like CR is now getting down to scraping the bottom of the barrel
boxoffice wise.

Though, those of you who follow BO may have noticed in the past
that a couple of weeks or so before a Bond film finishes its run in the US, the
theatres give the film a boost by giving it a significant increase in theatre counts
to gain max BO before the film finishes.

[Qwerty]

Getting back on track with this thread...........to put
CR's Boxoffice into perspective the film lies in 7th place
on the UK alltime list in its home currency.

CR needs only to gross a little more than 700,000 pounds
to take 6th place away from 'HARRY POTTER and THE CHAMBER OF SECRETS'.

In 1st place is TITANIC with around 69mil pounds, the other places below are filled by the LOTR trilogy and HARRY POTTER and THE
PHILOSOPHERS STONE (or SORCERERS STONE for US people).

Its quite an achievement when a Bond film can match these family
orientated films which have/had a larger potential audience.

Roll on Bond 22!!

Very solid work indeed!

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

Casino Royale Currently Ranked #7 At UK All Time Box Office

UK box office currently exceeds $106 million

[English Agent]

........er just one small point, QWERTY...

Titanic's gross in the UK in 1998 was equivalent then to $119 mil.

I'll try to be more specific for future posts.

EA

[Qwerty]

Ah yes, I forgot how much the currency conversions have changed.

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

Casino Royale - Box Office Details

CBn rounds up all the latest details

*Updated on 26 January 2007.

[Moore Not Less]

Box Office Mojo's weekend estimates place Epic Movie as the highest grossing film at the US box office totalling $19,200,000.

Casino Royale is placed 27th with an estimate of $600,000. This brings the overall US gross to approx $165,311,000. CR's theatre count has been reduced from 661 to 364.

[Tiin007]

Box Office Mojo's weekend estimates place Epic Movie as the highest grossing film at the US box office totalling $19,200,000.

Casino Royale is placed 27th with an estimate of $600,000. This brings the overall US gross to approx $165,311,000. CR's theatre count has been reduced from 661 to 364.

Wow, Casino Royale is finally settling down. I expected it to do a little better than this. Doesn't seem like it will make much more than $166 million. At least we still have China.

Edited by Tiin007, 28 January 2007 - 06:45 PM.

[JCRendle]

China wont effect the $166 million gross, as this is the "domestic" gross. Now, where are our lovely Worldwide grosses?

[Tiin007]

I know, I was just saying that while the US won't help the worldwide gross much anymore, China could give it a nice boost.

[JCRendle]

I hate that expression "domestic" gross in terms of the US market. for example Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is not an American film, yet BOM still includes the American intake as domestic. Grr!

[English Agent]

Worldwide boxoffice figures not out yet.....but don't expect much,
maybe $3-4 mil.
The film is battling for the scraps at the boxoffice now, though CR
will get a boost TUESDAY 30th when it opens in China.
After that though boxoffice reports for CR will fade away quickly.

In the US, CR is still getting decent theatre averages........just a
shame the theatre owners didn't give the film such a good run as other
pictures which are grossing less.........very strange!!

It looks like CR could end up at best with around $167 mil in the US,
it could reach that figure if the film is given a theatre count boost before the
end of its run....this has happened to previous Bond films in recent times.

Edited by English Agent, 28 January 2007 - 08:24 PM.

[Mr_Clark]

I'd also like to point out that TLD isn't a flop, the film brought in 195 million world wide.

True, besides which AVTAK and TLD are both bad examples of over-the-top and realistic, respectively, as the latter was Dalton in a Dalton-tinged Moore film and the former was just downright schizophrenic.

I'd cite YOLT-OHMSS, MR-FYEO, and TLD-LTK instead. Granted, I think more complex factors than "silly = popular, serious = not" were also at work in each case, but the argument had merit...until now.

I personally think that people shouldn't pay attention to the North American box office, and focus on the world wide box office instead; given the fact that the film is released in different countries at different times

Any theories as to why LALD was so popular? I was amazed to see it was the fourth biggest Bond of all time, I had no idea. I knew Moonraker was huge and I figured that was Rog's biggest hit. So, was Rog what the people wanted to see? Or was it the more American atmosphere? I'm guessing a lot of black audiences who otherwise wouldn't be interested in Bond came to see it.

I think LALD was so popular for the same reason Pierce Brosnan was popular, because Roger Moore was a big name from being in the TV show, "the saint".

[Qwerty]

CR's theatre count has been reduced from 661 to 364.

Yep, it finally left one of the nearby theaters where it had been playing since it opened. Definitely settling down.