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#181 AgentPB

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 11:45 PM


http://www.danielcra.../HappyFeet.html

DCINB.com is giving Happy Feet their "endorsement". LOL! I think Deanna has taken herself and this site far too seriously.


If I understand their delusion correctly, its their last chance of "victory" really, because HF does stand a chance of beating CR on opening weekend (notice how they aren't 'endorsing' obvious duds like Let's go to prison or Tenacious D and the pick of destiny!). If HF is No.1, they can convince themselves that their "boycott" worked and they steered millions of moviegoers away from Bond and towards Happy Feet! :P :)
At any rate, I'm sure the creators of Happy Feet are overjoyed that a bunch of bitter, vitriolic homophobes have decided to "endorse" their movie.

I just spilled hot tea out of my nose! You'll be getting the bill... :P

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 12:51 AM



GS,
How do you think Deanna is handling all these rave reviews?


Not well.

But it was never really about whether or not the critics liked Casino Royale; it was about whether or not the public would accept Craig, and they've yet to make their feelings known.


In truth, I never could really understand if all this [censored] was about the critics, about the public, about "real" Bond fans, about fan-wankering over Brosnan, or just about pure hate towards Craig.
It's a no-brainer really, just sad.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:14 AM

http://www.danielcra.../HappyFeet.html

DCINB.com is giving Happy Feet their "endorsement". LOL! I think Deanna has taken herself and this site far too seriously.

I rarely "LOL", but I did for this. :)

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:51 AM

This bitch must be getting paid from the Happy Feet studio ... this is just getting pathetic!!! What a worthless bitch!!!

I hope CR smashes 'happy feet' into oblivion ... just to see the look on this bitch's face!!!

Edited by mario007, 07 November 2006 - 01:53 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:57 AM

This bitch must be getting paid from the Happy Feet studio ... this is just getting pathetic!!! What a worthless bitch!!!

I hope CR smashes 'happy feet' into oblivion ... just to see the look on this bitch's face!!!


How do you really feel about her, Mario? :)

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:06 AM

She just really pisses me off. She is not one bit concerned about the James Bond movies. Why is she going through all this trouble to build websites, sign petitions and promote crap like singing penguins? Maybe she hasn't gotten laid in quite some time. Without Brosnan if the Bond movies are unwatchable then ... leave it alone. Go and watch desperate housewifes or some other rubbish!!! She sounds like she has a problem with EON ... did EON burn down her house!!!

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:13 AM



GS,
How do you think Deanna is handling all these rave reviews?


Not well.

But it was never really about whether or not the critics liked Casino Royale; it was about whether or not the public would accept Craig, and they've yet to make their feelings known.


Sure, sure.

Cling on to any little thread you can.

I can just see you slashing your wrists as the opening weekend comes in north of DAD's $46 Mil...and the world-wide number slices past $435 mil (if you havent already bought it by then)

LOL

Your's and Donkey's and Moron's grand total of $30 dollars will truly be missed at the global box office.

LOL!!!!!

#188 Publius

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:32 AM

She sounds like she has a problem with EON ... did EON burn down her house!!!

Yes, but in all fairness, she did "fire" first by burning down Pinewood when Brosnan lost the role to Dalton. Or so she claims.

:)

#189 Agent Spriggan Ominae

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:52 AM




GS,
How do you think Deanna is handling all these rave reviews?


Not well.

But it was never really about whether or not the critics liked Casino Royale; it was about whether or not the public would accept Craig, and they've yet to make their feelings known.


Sure, sure.

Cling on to any little thread you can.

I can just see you slashing your wrists as the opening weekend comes in north of DAD's $46 Mil...and the world-wide number slices past $435 mil (if you havent already bought it by then)

LOL

Your's and Donkey's and Moron's grand total of $30 dollars will truly be missed at the global box office.

LOL!!!!!


:) It's that type of attitude that justify's GS's "biased" take on Casino Royale. That's what makes CNB so bad. They have been preaching so much hate towards Craig and Casino Royale that it creates this bad vibe in the Bond fam commnuity as a whole. Because there is no way to directly attack that site anyone who comes across as "anti" becomes fair game for attacks and while I don't agree with GS's point of view there's no reason to attack him. This whole thing is getting silly, on both sides.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:53 AM

Maybe she hasn't gotten laid in quite some time.


Perhaps GS is having trouble keeping up his end of the bargain?

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 07 November 2006 - 03:30 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2006 - 03:22 AM

:) It's that type of attitude that justify's GS's "biased" take on Casino Royale.


O come off it, Agent Spriggan Ominae. 'GS's "biased" take on Casino Royale' was appearent before I even started posting here.

It was the negativity towards Craig and CR from posters like him that prompted me to join these forums. Prior to his tainted rants, I was merely an observer here for close to 4 3/4 years.

I hated what he and his buddies did to Craig back in jan/feb/mar/apr/may. It was disgusting to watch. I grew up on Connery and what happened this past spring made me feel embarrased about being a James Bond fan. I wondered how the fan's could possibly be so mean-spirited. It sickened me...GS sickend me. I would have continued being an observer if it wasnt for him and those like him. No one had seen Craig as Bond so why stick it to the poor bastard without seeing the film?

Then it occured to me to join here and see if losers like him had any balls, as I put it. I decided to lay down a gambit on the box office to see if they could back up their talk.

Surprise surprise...I found them to be gutless.

It was all hot air. All talk.

Plain gutless banter from a deceitful coward.

I was even willing to leave my credit card details to "Jim" and donate any winnings to CommanderBond.net.

So don't tell me about attitude. His mind was made up on Casino Royale before he knew I even existed as a member.

In the end they succeded in taking Brosnan from 3rd on my list to 6th and last. I'm sure they don't give a flying [censored]...but that remains the end result in the mind of a Bond fan since 1971/72.

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 07 November 2006 - 03:36 AM.


#192 kneelbeforezod

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 03:34 AM

HildebrandRarity, you're going a bit overboard with all this.

Nobody in their right mind is going to take up a thousand dollar bet over something so insignificant. I certainly wouldn't, and it doesn't make me a coward.

It's all getting so silly. I probably agree with most of your views about Casino Royale, but I haven't heard them for a while because you seem to be getting angrier and angrier!

Chill out! :)

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 03:46 AM

Nobody in their right mind is going to take up a thousand dollar bet over something so insignificant. I certainly wouldn't, and it doesn't make me a coward.

Chill out! :)


That's correct. Your first sentence is correct. The bet was not intended for someone "in their right mind". Further, their ranting and raving didnt make it seem it was "something so insignificant" to them because of all the time and effort they were spending on crapping on DC.

Make sense?

And yes. You wouldnt take that bet because you ARE in your right mind. And no, I don't think your a coward for not taking up that bet.

That bet was directed at a minority of one.

If anyone else felt like partaking, I would have obliged them.

Anyway, i've chilled.

#194 Agent Spriggan Ominae

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 03:54 AM



:) It's that type of attitude that justify's GS's "biased" take on Casino Royale.


O come off it, Agent Spriggan Ominae. 'GS's "biased" take on Casino Royale' was appearent before I even started posting here.

It was the negativity towards Craig and CR from posters like him that prompted me to join these forums. Prior to his tainted rants, I was merely an observer here for close to 4 3/4 years.

I hated what he and his buddies did to Craig back in jan/feb/mar/apr/may. It was disgusting to watch. I grew up on Connery and what happened this past spring made me feel embarrased about being a James Bond fan. I wondered how the fan's could possibly be so mean-spirited. It sickened me...GS sickend me. I would have continued being an observer if it wasnt for him and those like him. No one had seen Craig as Bond so why stick it to the poor bastard without seeing the film?

Then it occured to me to join here and see if losers like him had any balls, as I put it. I decided to lay down a gambit on the box office to see if they could back up their talk.

Surprise surprise...I found them to be gutless.

It was all hot air. All talk.

Plain gutless banter from a deceitful coward.

I was even willing to leave my credit card details to "Jim" and donate any winnings to CommanderBond.net.

So don't tell me about attitude. His mind was made up on Casino Royale before he knew I even existed as a member.

In the end they succeded in taking Brosnan from 3rd on my list to 6th and last. I'm sure they don't give a flying [censored]...but that remains the end result in the mind of a Bond fan since 1971/72.


You see, you proved my point about CNB and what they have done to Bond fandom. Lord knows I share your feelings on that "site" but don't worry it's pretty much dead and a totally joke at this point. Craig will win over the fans, I'm certain of that. I'd much rather wait for GS to come back on the 18th and say, "ah.....it was alright" than waste my energy debating him endlessly.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 03:58 AM

Anyway, i've chilled.

Cool :)

There's even less reason to get worked up now: it sounds like Craig's more vitriolic opponents will be rendered utterly impotent by his slam-dunk of a performance!

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 04:03 AM

You see, you proved my point about CNB and what they have done to Bond fandom. Lord knows I share your feelings on that "site" but don't worry it's pretty much dead and a totally joke at this point. Craig will win over the fans, I'm certain of that. I'd much rather wait for GS to come back on the 18th and say, "ah.....it was alright" than waste my energy debating him endlessly.


Fair enough.

I've actually lined up my girlfriend and a number of her friends for the evening of the 17th. Out for martinis before the late showing. Among them are women who normally wouldn't be caught dead in a Bond movie but are caught up in the buzz.

Little do they know that I will be taking the day off and taking my 10 year old out of school to see the first showing in the afternoon!

LOL!

Exciting days indeed!

;-)

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 04:13 AM


You see, you proved my point about CNB and what they have done to Bond fandom. Lord knows I share your feelings on that "site" but don't worry it's pretty much dead and a totally joke at this point. Craig will win over the fans, I'm certain of that. I'd much rather wait for GS to come back on the 18th and say, "ah.....it was alright" than waste my energy debating him endlessly.


Fair enough.

I've actually lined up my girlfriend and a number of her friends for the evening of the 17th. Out for martinis before the late showing. Among them are women who normally wouldn't be caught dead in a Bond movie but are caught up in the buzz.

Little do they know that I will be taking the day off and taking my 10 year old out of school to see the first showing in the afternoon!

LOL!

Exciting days indeed!

;-)


Exciting indeed! I'm set for the first showing, going with my grandmother. Then again with my sister after she gets off class and then again with my girlfriend in the evening! :) Sadly I won't be attending the midnight screening. :P Oh well a great day coming soon!

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 06:13 AM

I was even willing to leave my credit card details to "Jim"


Is this still on? We need some new curtains, and Mrs Jim keeps muttering "shoes" under her breath.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 07:33 AM

The irony - and it's a delicious one - is that the CnB's vitriol may even have helped put fire in Daniel Craig's belly and brought out his, by all accounts, fabulous performance.

I guess that's called being hoist by your own petard...

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 07:58 AM

The irony - and it's a delicious one - is that the CnB's vitriol may even have helped put fire in Daniel Craig's belly and brought out his, by all accounts, fabulous performance.

I guess that's called being hoist by your own petard...


One wonders whether it was always intended to do that and this has all been one long piss-take.

But one doesn't wonder that for long, on reflection.

Happy Feet - endorsed by homophobic illiterates. Lovely.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 09:13 AM

I am a fan of James Bond, not some actor chosen to portray him. I am very happy with the direction of CR, getting back to the tone and feel of the IF books, and it is something I have wanted in my Bond films for a long time. That's the success for me.

To me, 007 is a noir spy anti-hero. For too many people their main association is with the campy, don't-take-this-too-seriously films of the 70's and some of the 80's. These films were a waste of my time to watch, Roger Moore's considerable talent, and the talents of many other fine people who made these films. The decision to make the majority of 007 films this way appears to have come from the create by committee mentality of the Hollywood system at that time. Finally getting that mentality to die out and bring in a change is a "success" for all 007 fans. Whether they recognize it or not.

I could care less about some nutjobs whining over Eon's choice of actor. The box office that matters is my box office. One ticket for CASINO ROYALE please.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 09:41 AM

The box office that matters is my box office. One ticket for CASINO ROYALE please.


I love you.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 11:06 AM

I was even willing to leave my credit card details to "Jim"


Is this still on? We need some new curtains, and Mrs Jim keeps muttering "shoes" under her breath.


Yes.

I'm willing to bet Gravity's Silhouette $1000 that CR will open above his highest estimate of $26.96 million US Domestic and another $1000.00 that CR will gross more than his highest estimate of $300 million world wide.

AND, if I win, I'll donate my entire winnings to CommanderBond.net.

If I lose, GS gets $2000...If I win, I'll give GS's $2000 to CommanderBond.net.

I'll send my credit card details to you the moment I see GS agreeing to my wager on this board with the expectation that he also sends his credit card details to you.

Fair?

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 07 November 2006 - 11:37 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2006 - 11:31 AM

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 11:40 AM

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Something on the radio this morning about Imelda Marcos bringing out her own line of shoes. There are days when I think I married her.

What can I spend this $2,000 on? How can I best embezzle these funds? I feel Turnbull & Asser coming on. Perhaps a weekend in Venice.

Whilst I've always wanted Casino Royale to be a success, I really want it to be a success now.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 11:54 AM

The irony - and it's a delicious one - is that the CnB's vitriol may even have helped put fire in Daniel Craig's belly and brought out his, by all accounts, fabulous performance.

I guess that's called being hoist by your own petard...


I couldn't agree more. Not only did it possibly fire the cast and crew to make one of the best Bond films so far (according to all of the reviews I've read so far)they failed to realise that the 'controversial' publicity helped keep Bond in the news for months, and could be instrumental in raising curiosity levels for many who may now want to see what the fuss was about. In this does turn out to be the case should EON thank CnB and encourage them to set up CnB2 for the sequel?

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 12:16 PM

Edit. Sorry, had a brainwave and started a new thread. :)

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 12:33 PM

What I always found so absurd and hilarious about the haters is that they behaved as though Craig and CR had already been roundly rejected by "the public". Many months before Joe and Josephine Public would be given a chance to deliver a verdict, the antis were speaking (shouting) for them. And now it looks very much as though the public will be delivering its own message to those angry fans, which will boil down to: "Erm, actually, we like this, but thank you very much for your concern. I say, you really are awfully keen on that last chap, Bronson, aren't you?"

Hildebrand mentions "women who normally wouldn't be caught dead in a Bond movie but are caught up in the buzz"; echoing this, many people I know, of both genders, who didn't give a stuff when TWINE and DAD were released (I mean, they saw those flicks, of course, but with no sense of anticipation, and forgot about them quickly), are extremely interested in seeing CR, chiefly because of the very positive advance word on the film's quality, and because they think Craig will be something fresh, new and exciting. There's a sense of occasion about CR that there simply wasn't for any Bond outing since GOLDENEYE (and even then the buzz around CR dwarfs that of November 1995), and anyone who believes CR would be causing more of a stir if it were simply Brosnan's fifth is probably better off following the adventures of cartoon penguins.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 12:46 PM

i dont want to comment any more on the dismaying sad fracas that occured over all this ..and i dont mean real bond fans trying to outrun their fears, doubts..i mean puerile, pathetic, immature unfunny, weak-minded homophobic, sociopathic dweeb wretches, saddo windowlickers who live online. i'm savouring Craigs silencing of these pricks. There are a few trolls left online and i'm sure the odd person will feel the need to creepily attack Craig personally in future..but i think film fans and normal and young people are hyped for this film, excited about this new Bond. there are many who will withhold judgement and i really hope they like it.

I was only a partial Bond fan who hated the last few Brosnan movies so much that i just didnt give a damn anymore.. DCs casting instantly made me sit up, ignited images of classic Bond in my mind - i was excited.. i'd never felt this kind of instantaneous buzz from a piece of news ( maybe batman begins )- DC and CR. It felt so right. I knew it in my gut. So when i discovered nervous Bond fans i was a little disheartened but knew the excitement would build as filming began and DC could prove himself. I prayed Craig would rock, for a year, i hoped the stupid tabloidy stuff would die down - i just found it so predictable and sad becasue he was a brave choice,a great choice, and a nice guy. However when i read the venomous bullying lameness from some quarters i became sort of mortally pissed off.. i had to fight these people. I had to say how much i believed in Craig. How much i admired him and respected him. That was why i joined this site.. not to fanboy out on Bond, but to show my belief and support for Daniel Craig. Im no film geek or web person. But he reinstilled a feel for Bond in me. I read all the books. He came alive again after years of being tediously cynically, meaninglessly represented on film. I am so happy right now - for him, for all of us. For all the negativity, worry and bad press - i think something extraordinary has happened. I think we have something so special with DC and the new Bond direction. Im thrilled with it. Its got its edge back, its swagger, its cool. Thats why rebirths have to be brave..all or nothing - nothing less than a return to greatness will do. I think DCs resolve to go beyond himself,and for the filmmakers to do that as well , has given this picture extra fire, extra energy. the anklebiting little freaks of CnB and the schoolboys on the web who write their pathetic tragic one-liners has just fuelled Bond and its filmakers. Who are these pussies anyway? - its why big productions are careful in their interactions with the net. its why studios ignore certain people and trust their instincts, as professionals and people who love and make films - because there is a acidic ignorance and bad-mindedness around in the media, and the web lets it too close for comfort sometimes. I think craig has dealt with it a bit too much in the press recently - its time to move on.

films are not the media..they are escapist, almost magical entertainment - especially bond no matter how real - i think films belong in this realm of the unreal, out of reach..the web seems to seek sometimes to bring everything down to its level, to disseminate to the point of no return.. fans almost eat up what they love. I like EONS slight distance - its the best way. but they have classily kept us up to date..to get enough of a feel for the filming and production. About the venom of CnB type people - I think the web's democracy goes to some peoples heads.. everyone should be able to speak freely, but there is a lack of responsibility for what is said that makes the value of that comment decrease. people cant hang themselves with their own rope in quite the same way they do in real life - they merely say their bit and slink off again. Thats all well and good but it certainly creates a fraglie community of opinion - easily stirred - a mass of information whos value is often hard to discern. thats why well run sites like this are a blessing. but bad news, bad press, bad mouthing - it all spirals frighteningly quickly online. more so that good news, hype etc.. it exists to regurgitate and parasitically break down everything. this can be hard to deal with sometimes.. you seek out what you are intersted in ( bond ) then are drawn into arguments, emotions that arent quite real. u cant be sure. when you turn off the computer u find a complete stranger has messed with your head!! its like a ouija board! anyway i digress..

i just get a good feeling now, like a fight has been won. the film is made..now everyone can make up their own minds. these forums will no longer resemble a roomful of people shouting at eachother in the dark. hopefully their can be some harmony, some making up - after the bloodbath of bond fans in the last year.

I think it does have asense of occasion - just this morning several people at my work have talked about the reviews..about how cool craig is. but despite all this i think CR will be a succes if it is a great film.. box office might take a hit - but thats what happens when you reintroduce quality into something. 2 weeks to go!!!

Edited by stone cold, 07 November 2006 - 01:34 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:32 PM

i dont want to comment any more on the dismaying sad fracas that occured over all this ..and i dont mean real bond fans trying to outrun their fears, doubts..i mean puerile, pathetic, immature unfunny, weak-minded homophobic, sociopathic dweeb wretches, saddo windowlickers who live online. i'm savouring Craigs silencing of these pricks. There are a few trolls left online and i'm sure the odd person will feel the need to creepily attack Craig personally in future..but i think film fans and normal and young people are hyped for this film, excited about this new Bond. there are many who will withhold judgement and i really hope they like it.

I was only a partial Bond fan who hated the last few Brosnan movies so much that i just didnt give a damn anymore.. DCs casting instantly made me sit up, ignited images of classic Bond in my mind - i was excited.. i'd never felt this kind of instantaneous buzz from a piece of news ( maybe batman begins )- DC and CR. It felt so right. I knew it in my gut. So when i discovered nervous Bond fans i was a little disheartened but knew the excitement would build as filming began and DC could prove himself. I prayed Craig would rock, for a year, i hoped the stupid tabloidy stuff would die down - i just found it so predictable and sad becasue he was a brave choice,a great choice, and a nice guy. However when i read the venomous bullying lameness from some quarters i became sort of mortally pissed off.. i had to fight these people. I had to say how much i believed in Craig. How much i admired him and respected him. That was why i joined this site.. not to fanboy out on Bond, but to show my belief and support for Daniel Craig. Im no film geek or web person. But he reinstilled a feel for Bond in me. I read all the books. He came alive again after years of being tediously cynically, meaninglessly represented on film. I am so happy right now - for him, for all of us. For all the negativity, worry and bad press - i think something extraordinary has happened. I think we have something so special with DC and the new Bond direction. Im thrilled with it. Its got its edge back, its swagger, its cool. Thats why rebirths have to be brave..all or nothing - nothing less than a return to greatness will do. I think DCs resolve to go beyond himself,and for the filmmakers to do that as well , has given this picture extra fire, extra energy. the anklebiting little freaks of CnB and the schoolboys on the web who write their pathetic tragic one-liners has just fuelled Bond and its filmakers. Who are these pussies anyway? - its why big productions are careful in their interactions with the net. its why studios ignore certain people and trust their instincts, as professionals and people who love and make films - because there is a acidic ignorance and bad-mindedness around in the media, and the web lets it too close for comfort sometimes. I think craig has dealt with it a bit too much in the press recently - its time to move on.

films are not the media..they are escapist, almost magical entertainment - i think films belong in this realm of the unreal, out of reach..the web seems to seek sometimes to bring everything down to its level, to disseminate to the point of no return.. fans almost eat up what they love. I like EONS slight distance - its the best way. but they have classily kept us up to date..to get enough of a feel for the filming and production. About the venom of CnB type people - I think the web's democracy goes to some peoples heads.. everyone should be able to speak freely, but there is a lack of responsibility for what is said that makes the value of that comment decrease. people cant hang themselves with their own rope in quite the same way they do in real life - they merely say their bit and slink off again. Thats all well and good but it certainly creates a fraglie community of opinion - easily stirred - a mass of information whos value is often hard to discern. thats why well run sites like this are a blessing. but bad news, bad press, bad mouthing - it all spirals frighteningly quickly online. more so that good news, hype etc.. it exists to regurgitate and parasitically break down everything. for the first time u feel overwhelmed by something spiralling beyond yourself, or my pointless little speks of opinion. this can be hard to deal with sometimes.. you seek out what you are intersted in ( bond ) then are drawn into arguments, emotions that arent quite real. u cant be sure. when you turn off the computer u find a complete stranger has messed with your head!! its like a ouija board! anyway i digress..

i just get a good feeling now, like a fight has been won. the film is made..now everyone can make up their own minds. these forums will no longer resemble a roomful of people shouting at eachother in the dark. hopefully their can be some harmony, some making up - after the bloodbath of bond fans in the last year.

I think it does have asense of occasion - just this morning several people at my work have talked about the reviews..about how cool craig is. but despite all this i think CR will be a succes if it is a great film.. box office might take a hit - but thats what happens when you reintroduce quality into something.


Great post as always. I think we can relax - CnB may have won a few battles along the way, but Craig and CR has won the war.