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#91 shady ginzo

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:30 PM

Decided to stop reading half way through - to avoid spoilers. Good to see that the movie got a standing ovation. How many days to go now? Too many? Yep, that would be right.


lol same here, as soon as it got into deep plot summary I threw my gaze elsewhere.

I am editting out my previous comments questioning the reliability of the article, having jumped the gun straight to a reply I failed to notice that was precicely the topic on discussion.

as cynical as it maybe, I can't help but doubt it. as someone mentioned there's no reason to screen a final cut to anyone who didn't need to see it, for promotion or professional review. that certianly rules out a random IMDB user. also i'd imagine no final cut even exists yet.

Edited by shady ginzo, 04 October 2006 - 10:35 PM.


#92 casinoroyale11234

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:37 PM

MORE!

wel the realtionship with vesper had more to it than any of the past few films. i bought that bond was really in love with her after all they went through. they have alot in common also. both there parents are dead. for vesper her dad was a gambler and shot her mother and himself and that plays into a the whole poker game and bond's character. for the titles everytime the guy goes you know my name you see a picture a craig, never seen any with him in a uniform but they got some from the earlier sequence and they fade into red. they really went with the blood theme and they got the red diamonds from the playing cards and there are alot of card imagery and a gmbling and highroller feel and guns and bullets. felix appears at the start of the poker game, you don't find out who he really is until the part which you can see in the trailer where bond goes for Le Chiffre with a knief in the casino and right before he can get to him felix pops and tells him something like "bad last hand , i'm felix leiter form langly" or something like that

there's no white dots or gunbarrel at the very beginning you first see it at the end of the scene. it alomst the same one from the first trailer. i think think white you mention has to be le Chiffres boss. they never say his name. that's another gripe i got about the movie. aside from the main characters they don't never say the names of alot of the villains. he's not blofeld that's for sure but he seems like a very mysterious guy. maybe the sequel will reveal more about who he really is but he is sorta taken care of by bond. the pre-titles is shorter than the last 2, maybe around 8 mins i would say give or take. there's no music and it's in black and white and the criket and bathroom stuff is edited into the scen in the offcie that is shown in the trailer. the fight is brutal. for a while it's equal but then bond winds up totally kicking the guy's [censored]. the torture is brutal but you don't see much of what's going on if they did it would X lol. you see a quick shot of bond's [censored]. this bald henchmen strips bond naked by cutting off his clothes. le chiffre uses this swatter looking stick to hit bonds privates. it's painful to watch and craig really sells that he's being tortured. he also gets his face smashed up as the scene continues and they Le Chiffre kicks him over backwards. i don't want to reveal the rest. and last but not least crag's delivery of "bond, james bond". it's dead on IMO and with everything eles going on it's the best delivery after Connery in Dr. no.

It's kinda violent. there's blood spilled in several scens but nothing that is overly gory but it feels very brutal to watch at times when some people get shot or stabbed. and there is sex later on the movie. it's good stuff but you don't see any real nudity in the sex scene but there one bit where bond and vesper are swimming naked in the sea but you the shagowed outline from underwater. as for swearing i heard [censored] a few time and there is the where bond says "bitch" but other than that not to much swearing.

he doesn't a have a bomb starpped to his chest if that's what you mean. he uses a cop uniform to get onto the airport runway and he steals a tanker truck and intends to crash it into this jetliner so that's where i got the suicide part from. you can see that bit in the trailer with the shot of under the tanker as it crashes through the baracade of poilce suv's trying to keep the tanker from the jet. as i said one gripe is they don't name some of the villains so i don;t know who plays him but he does kinda look mid-eastern. he has a light brown skin and curly dark hair. maybe that's what they were aming for

Die another day IMO was FAR from great. not as bad as say Batman and robin but close to it. maybe batman forver would be a better comparison. i use batman as a anology because it best describes how different in tone Casino royale is to "DAD". DAD is overly campy and while they got that whole north korean threat as part of the plot all the cgi, ivisable cars and villain's weapon were way too far-feched and chessy. that stuff may have worked in the 60's and 70's but not in this day an age. same thing with Batman and robin. it was way to far-fechted, campy and chessy. that film and DAD were like self parodies of there once great franchises. if you want see another DAD then don't go see Casino Royale because it's nowhere near DAD which is a good thing in my book.

as for the music, yes i only heard the full bond theme that we all know and love at the very end but trust me you won't be dissapointed. it's they used the main theme song from the credit as the main theme in the film. the music is moslty ocrhestra although i herad a little bit of techno hear and there it's nothing like say world is not engough or DAD. at the very end you get to hear the bond theme and the famous "names bond, james bond". the wall are going to come down i swear it just screams THIS IS *beep* JAMES BOND!!!. it's kinda like the end crdits for the world id not enough. you hear duh duh da, duh duh da, duh duh da duh da, and the dum de de de dum dum etc. it just like bond theme at the end of world not enough but this one sounds way more epic and blaring with the brass and guitar. IMO this best ending to any bond film. it makes one feel kinda sad it's over.

Aren't you glad you're on this board? :)

#93 zstoneVII

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:42 PM

can someone plssssssssss tell me, who is generally regarded as the oracle in these forums...whether this review is fake or not...all i need is a yes or no answer!!!! plsss i js dont wana tempt fate and i feel that all these positive vibes will b too gd to be tru cz thus far i cant seem to fault any angle this new film takes us and im dreadin a let down!!!

if this review stands then il sleep happily but im worried if its fake then th film still has potential to be rubbish!!!!!!!!!! and it cant happen...i js turn a blind eye to any such accusation and negative drivel

#94 Skudor

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:47 PM

I sense a strategic lack of capitalization. Surely no one can be that bad at it?

Anyway, I don't need anyone to tell me that the movie is crap or great. I'll be seeing it myself on the 17th.

#95 casinoroyale11234

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:49 PM

can someone plssssssssss tell me, who is generally regarded as the oracle in these forums...whether this review is fake or not...all i need is a yes or no answer!!!! plsss i js dont wana tempt fate and i feel that all these positive vibes will b too gd to be tru cz thus far i cant seem to fault any angle this new film takes us and im dreadin a let down!!!

if this review stands then il sleep happily but im worried if its fake then th film still has potential to be rubbish!!!!!!!!!! and it cant happen...i js turn a blind eye to any such accusation and negative drivel


I'm 150% sure this is not a fake! The guy at IMDB is called Gordonfinch.

#96 dinovelvet

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:49 PM

can someone plssssssssss tell me, who is generally regarded as the oracle in these forums...whether this review is fake or not...all i need is a yes or no answer!!!!


Well...you can't have one. Only the guy who wrote it definitely knows if its real or not. There WILL be genuine positive reviews of CR soon enough, from actual critics. There WILL also be negative ones. Personally, I don't plan to read any of them.

#97 Skudor

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:57 PM

Yep. There's nothing worse than reading reviews, especially professional ones. They always find something to criticise, usually things that I would never have noticed myself but that end up bugging me. I certainly plan to avoid official reviews as far as a I can.

#98 Dunph

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 11:49 PM

The only issue I wanted to raise is that fans should be open-minded in the run-up to the film. Personally I believe that subscribing to every no-mark internet review as gospel whether favourable or damning can be damaging.

I've got a terrible feeling this may be coming across as patronising or "holier than thou", and I don't mean it to be, but a degree of cynicism when dealing with this sort of thing is always healthy. The reason I was suspicious is that this glowing review has turned up on IMDB (a very high traffic film site) from an anonymous member and unfortunately the tactics employed by marketers as described by K1Bond007 are very real. The fact that he mentions a few insignificant down-sides to the film means nothing, its clever if anything. You won't find a marketer worth his salt claiming that "the film's good, but the central relationship is flawed" or "Le Chiffre lacks menace", will you? The points he raises on IMDB can be brushed aside.

If the review is genuine then its another notch on the bedpost for Casino Royale, and I'm beaming, but as dinovelvet said:

Only the guy who wrote it definitely knows if its real or not.


By all means be excited, I sure am, but keep an open mind. I'm just as willing to be disappointed by some aspects of Casino Royale as I am to be thrilled by others. Don't be too ready to jump on bandwagons.

#99 Harmsway

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 12:05 AM

I think it sounds legit. I'm not willing to say this is conclusive proof that CASINO ROYALE rocks or anything, but this sounds very, very promising.

And the title sequence sounds cool as hell - can't wait to see Kleinman's work with it!

#100 JimmyBond

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 03:43 AM

He does fact drop a lot of things even reading the script wouldnt reveal. If I was writing a fake review and said how long the teaser was, I'd guesss 4 minutes (that's how many pages it takes). Also I wouldnt be able to tell how gory or not the film is from a few film clips.

I know, I know, marketers would know have access to this information, and I havent ruled that out. I just think his enthusiasm is genuine, and doesnt feel faked.

#101 DavidSomerset

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 04:03 AM

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I know, I know, marketers would know have access to this information, and I havent ruled that out. I just think his enthusiasm is genuine, and doesnt feel faked.


But what if we have a marketing chap who is also a Bond Fan. The probability of that is quite high, as we are not talking about Transformers or He-Man or some one-shot gimmick movie. :)
So if he is a real fan, he would be enthusiastic (really) and as he is a insider stooge he writes about it in glowing terms and it will not sound fake. :P
If you want a real review ( in cinematic terms) wait for Ebert to review. Otherwise, best bet is to forget the reviews, watch the movie on the 17th and then discuss about it till Bond 22 comes out in 2008. :P

#102 JimmyBond

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 04:08 AM

Is Ebert back from his sick leave yet? Everytime I visit his site all the reviews are written by his guest reviewer.

#103 DavidSomerset

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 04:32 AM

Jimmy, you are right. From his website:
"While Roger Ebert is recuperating from surgery, RogerEbert.com editor Jim Emerson will be reviewing selected new releases.".

I was under the impression that he has recovered and has started reviewing. Hope he gets the chance to review CR. His review of GF is great.
Also I heard his commentary on the Citizen Kane DVD and he has explained the movie in a manner which I doubt anyone else (except maybe Orson Welles himself or Spielberg) could have.

#104 Agent Spriggan Ominae

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 04:47 AM

That explains why I haven't seen any reviews from Ebert in my local paper recently. I thought they dropped him or something. How long has he been away?

#105 Dr. Noah

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 04:49 AM

You guys are WAY overestimating studio interest in IMDB.

#106 DavidSomerset

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 04:54 AM

That explains why I haven't seen any reviews from Ebert in my local paper recently. I thought they dropped him or something. How long has he been away?

All news about Ebert:

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Roger_Ebert

#107 Dr. Noah

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 05:04 AM

Notice how quiet and peaceful it gets here after a good review? For the first time in a year all the doomsayers are too busy to post.

#108 DavidSomerset

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 05:09 AM

Yes, almost like North Korea where Kim has said that he liked the movie and naysayers will be tortured in prison :)

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 05:38 AM

Is Ebert back from his sick leave yet? Everytime I visit his site all the reviews are written by his guest reviewer.


I'll be curious to see his take on CR, if only because he doesn't seem to understand the character. The man completely panned TLD and FYEO, and gave TWINE a sparkling review.

Obviously, it's all subjective, but I'll be curious to see how he reacts to CR.

From his TLD review: "The correct tone for the Bond films was established right at the start, with Sean Connery's quizzical eyebrows and sardonic smile. He understood that the Bond character was so preposterous that only lightheartedness could save him. The moment Bond began to act like a real man in a real world[i], all was lost. Roger Moore understood that, too."

Edited by Vanish, 05 October 2006 - 05:39 AM.


#110 DavidSomerset

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 05:44 AM

Vanish, say what you may but I agree a 101% with Ebert. That is why Sean's movies rocked. BTW have you read Ebert on GF? That is one of the best reviews of any Bond movie that anyone has written.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 05:55 AM

for the titles everytime the guy goes you know my name you see a picture a craig



Oh please, no! I want to see a James Bond film, not a Britney Spears video.

#112 DavidSomerset

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 06:02 AM

What happened to the dancing girls in the title sequence? We need them jumping on the trampoline, pushing the giant sized cards, and sitting on a deck of cards. :)

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 06:11 AM

Well just to add some fuel, or just some bizarre trivia, to the "is this legit?" debate, note how at the start he writes :

"It was a test screening for "alcazar". In reality it was, as we were told the final cut of Casino Royale!"

Compare this to the AICN review of a couple of weeks ago :

"Folks were told it was to see an action film called Alkazan or something"

Now look at this article from January, which discusses Rose Byrne's audition for Vesper.

http://commanderbond.net/article/3064

"She had to give a special password, Alcazar, to get into the audition."

Any thoughts on this business? Stiff-[censored] Brits with their codes and passwords, indeed!

#114 Harmsway

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 06:17 AM

for the titles everytime the guy goes you know my name you see a picture a craig


Oh please, no! I want to see a James Bond film, not a Britney Spears video.

What he *means* is you see a photograph of Craig, from Bond's dossier (see his other comments on the title sequence to fully explain):

They still got the usual titles with the dancing girls. this one has a Card motif with red almost blood look to it on top of Black and white photos of Craig and his handiwork.


This is apparently somewhat like DIE ANOTHER DAY - two levels to the titles. We're looking at Bond's dossier with photos of his past career and the crime scenes of his assassinations, but there are dancing girls and casino imagery on top of that.

The other chap who wrote the AICN review commented that he thought the titles were brilliant, even though he disliked the title song, so we may have a winner here (I have no doubt of it, anyway - Kleinman is quite good at what he does).

#115 Vanish

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 06:21 AM

This is apparently somewhat like DIE ANOTHER DAY - two levels to the titles. We're looking at Bond's dossier with photos of his past career and the crime scenes of his assassinations, but there are dancing girls and casino imagery on top of that.


Sweet deal, I felt that the dual-leveled titles was the best innovation in Die Another Day - Here's hoping it's the start of a new trend in the series. And Kleinman is really quite good at making these title sequences... The four he's done so far have been uniformly outstanding.

#116 Santa

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 06:24 AM

Dual-level titles are fine, it's the idea of putting up a picture of DC to match whenever the words "you know my name" are sung. Sweet Jesus! Sounds dreadful.

#117 DavidSomerset

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 06:28 AM

So long as they have dancing girls and have Kleinmann I am fine with it.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 06:29 AM

Dual-level titles are fine, it's the idea of putting up a picture of DC to match whenever the words "you know my name" are sung. Sweet Jesus! Sounds dreadful.

I wonder if it's *really* like that sounds, though. If you remember, in the song, "you know my name" isn't actually said that often in the song. It's only said in the first chorus and the very end (and I sincerely doubt he means there's a new photo for every repetition of "you know my name" in that final set of wailing).

I trust Daniel Kleinman entirely (he's consistently impressed me with every one of his contributions to the franchise). And the other reviewer also found the titles brilliant, so as far as I'm concerned, I'm waiting to see the final thing before passing any judgement at all.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 07:42 AM

If the guy was a plant, don't you think they would have made him subscribe earlier to IMDB boards, and post a few reviews of other movies, just to make the "cover" stand well ?

After all, EON know a bit about "secret agents", I would say...

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 07:46 AM

I trust Daniel Kleinman entirely (he's consistently impressed me with every one of his contributions to the franchise). And the other reviewer also found the titles brilliant, so as far as I'm concerned, I'm waiting to see the final thing before passing any judgement at all.



Nah, think I may just set up a boycott of the CR titles, perhaps set up a website? www.casinoroyaletitlesarenogood.com anyone? :)