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#1 casinoroyale11234

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 10:59 PM

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I DIDN"T WRITE THIS. ENJOY!

got to this past weekend and I'm sharing my thoughts with you folks. It was a test screening for "alcazar". In reality it was, as we were told the final cut of Casino Royale! It really is something else. I guess I am a Bond fan. I have seen all the 20 films and I love a good action aventure film and the Bond films are classic although aside from Goldeneye the last few film have been GODAWFUL! It was just the same old same old formula story. I have been reading alot of the posts on this forum and just had to laugh! I hate to say this but ALOT of people are going to look extreamly stupid come Novenber.


This really is a very different Bond film. At times it was hard to even think that Casino Royale is even remotly related or connected to the past films. It is just so radically different from say something like the world is not enough of Die another day. I think the best anlogy would be comparing the last 4 Bond films to the first 4 Batman films. They started out good Batman/Goldeneye but slowly degenerated into formulamatic overly campy mediocer crap Batman and Robin/Die another day. I pratically almost walked out of the cinema when I saw Brosnan's "toy car on a string" go over the side of that plastic ice cliff in Die anothe day. All saying about how this is more realistic back to the basics reboot a-la Batman Begins is true.

Casino Royale will be to Die another day as what Batman Begins is to batman and Robin. I feel so lucky that being a fan of both Batman and Bond noe both franchises are getting a much needed make-over. Now about Craig as Bond. He ain't Connery, he isn't Moore, Dalton or Brosnan. He's Craig. I wouldn't call that a bad thing though. He is definatly cool infact cooler than Brosnan I dare say. He has that badass, ruthless edge to him. He says and does things I can't see Borosnan or someone like Moore or even Dalton doing. That alone for me sets him apart. While he ain't Connery, face it no one is Connery, he does a fine job IMO. He really does do some nasty things like one villain who gets shot in his neck. I can't believe this is the final cut becuase that shot was rather graphic and there are somemore other grisly deaths in a sinking building at the climax.


When I was watching this film it seemed more than just a Bond film with some superhero character out to save the world, kill the villain and get the girl. It is almost like your not watching a normal Bond film. This one doesn't seem to let the formula get in the way of the story. Alot of things done differently. The film doesn't have the normal opening gunbarrel and the usual sequence at the start is in BLACK AND WHITE! They still got the usual titles with the dancing girls. this one has a Card motif with red almost blood look to it on top of Black and white photos of Craig and his handiwork. The theme is great also. Really rockin, makes me think of Live and let Die or A View to a Kill. I also like how they incorated it into the theme. The music isn't even the usual Bond theme. I think it's only once I heard it and that was at end where it reminded me of the how it appeared in the world is not enough and how it played over the closing credits. It's way more blaring this time and that along with the final line had the whole audenice giving standing ovation! Myself included!


The main film is interesting. It's basically Bond's first misssion and he's sent to madgascar I believe, where he has to track down and kill this terrorist who leads him on an eloborate chase through the jungles, a beachside construction site where some real intesne action takes place, and finally an embassy. The guy who plays the terrorist is damn good. He's jumping around the construction site like a monkey and leaping off cranes and jumping onto moving cars in traffic all the while Bond has to MacGuyver it to keep up. Really cool finish to that sequence and the trailer don't even reveal a tenth of the action! And guess what? there really is no cgi! At least none I could see. The story then goes to the Bahamas where Bond is traking down the guy who hired the Trerrorist. He gets the information by breaking into M's flat and taking her security info there's a nice little exchange between the two that really shows what this new Bond is all about. Gone is the cold war spy. This Bond is clearly post 9/11. In the bahamas Bond finds out that this arms dealer named Demitrios is behind things and Bond beats him at poker and wins the guys Aston Martin and beds his wife to find out what he's up to. This sequence really does feel like something you would see in the lolder Connery films. We see Bond doing some real spy and dective work as he tries to find out what's going on. The atmosphear and feel in the bahamas really is classic almost a return to the classic Bond films with that sexy, exotic, jet set vibe yet still old school in execution.


Then we got the best action sequence in any Bond film I have seen and no gadgets at all. It involves Bond trying to stop a suicide Bomber from blowing this new Jumbo jet with a tanker truck. The sequence reminds of the batmobile chase in Batman Begins. you got all these police cars trying to stop this unstoppale vehicle that goes crashing through cop cars, SUV's, a row of jetlines, buses, and whatever else crosses his path leaving an explosive trail of destruction. And it had me at the edge of my seat! Really suspenseful and real looking sequence. I'm glad they didn't spoile it in the trailer but trust me it will blow you away! And that's the first hour or so of the movie. The action really scales back for the second half. Apparently the main Villain Le Chiff was banking on that new aircraft, The Boeing 747-XXX on being blown up and he now finds himself out of $100 million. He intends to win it back at a poker game in Montegro. Guess who they send to face him! Bond mets up with Vesper Lind who is working for the treasury. She gives Bond the money to face Le Chiff. The classic Bond feel continues on and the casino is unreal. It has that classy feel and craig looks smashing in the tux. His delivery is cool. He always sounds the same but he is consistant and he has that cool badass vibe about him. He'll talk *beep* to you and never loese he cool. The main poker game is intense but it goes on too long for my liking but they got a few sequence in there to take a few breathers but the poker seems to go on for 45 minitues! I won't spoil the rest, way too many twists to keep track of and I don't to reveal anything too big, but while there is alot of action it's still all about the story. This time you won't know hats going to happen because like I said before this movie doesn't rely on the formula that much yet it still delivers what you want see.

Craig is compelling in the role. He is not the same Bond as Brosnan, Moore, Connery etc. He is not. It's almost like an entirly new character but he is still cool and suave but in a new way and above all this Bond really is dangerous. I tried watching Tommorow Never Dies and The world is not enough but I just can't get into it anymore. Casino Royale and Craig has totally killed my intrest in thoes films. It's like a whole new stadard for Bond. Be careful when you see this movie because it may totally ruin the way you look at the other films. Casino Royale is on a higher level and you just won't to watch the old films again. this is my opinion but my friend who saw it with me felt the same way, if you don't wind up totally rooting and behind Craig as Bond at the end, then maybe you are better off watching Die Another Day or Moonraker. Pitty really. Well this isn't a kids movie that's for sure! lol

EDIT: I separated it for JimmyBond :)

Edited by casinoroyale11234, 02 October 2006 - 11:22 PM.


#2 Skudor

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:05 PM

Decided to stop reading half way through - to avoid spoilers. Good to see that the movie got a standing ovation. How many days to go now? Too many? Yep, that would be right.

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:07 PM

Decided to stop reading half way through - to avoid spoilers. Good to see that the movie got a standing ovation. How many days to go now? Too many? Yep, that would be right.


You should read the whole thing, he really doesn't spoil anyting

#4 JimmyBond

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:08 PM

I know you didnt write it, but do you suppose you could edit it and put a few paragraph breaks in it? Nothing against you, but I always hate reading large blocks of text like that.

#5 Vauxhall

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:10 PM

Interesting to read about the main title sequence - retains the idea of Bond's file being printed and his 00 Status being allocated, alongside the silhouetted women, and a card motif. They sound excellent.

#6 Skudor

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:10 PM

LOL - true. I finished it and like you said, no real spoilers. I knew most of this stuff already. Great seeing some positive feedback.

#7 dinovelvet

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:17 PM

Ehh its nice, but anything that comes from the imdb, whether its positive or negative, needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Anyone can post anything and there's nobody to verify it. Though the magic word ALCAZAR crops up again, which was the supposed EON password for auditioning actresses, so I'm inclined to believe its legit.

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:17 PM

wow! thanks for that greet review! well that's the thing,... don't compare CR with the older/ classic Bonds, which don't wanna work. for me many fans seem to be afraid of something because there are so many changes and new things coming along with CR so they have no idea waht to expect, that's why most of you guys are probably not comfortable with craig and this new direction as I ve read so many times IMO. but ' don't let's cry about spilled milk!

@casinoroyale11234: Have you missed the less heard bond theme in CR? Or do you thing that's the right balance of not using it that often because of this totally different new bond feeling in CR!? I am asking as a big bond theme fan! :)

#9 casinoroyale11234

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:24 PM

wow! thanks for that greet review! well that's the thing,... don't compare CR with the older/ classic Bonds, which don't wanna work. for me many fans seem to be afraid of something because there are so many changes and new things coming along with CR so they have no idea waht to expect, that's why most of you guys are probably not comfortable with craig and this new direction as I ve read so many times IMO. but ' don't let's cry about spilled milk!

[b]@casinoroyale11234: Have you missed the less heard bond theme in CR? Or do you thing that's the right balance of not using it that often because of this totally different new bond feeling in CR!? I am asking as a big bond theme fan! :)[b]


AGAIN! I DID'NT WRITE THIS!

Edited by casinoroyale11234, 02 October 2006 - 11:24 PM.


#10 JimmyBond

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:27 PM

Excellent review. I'm inclined to believe it's legitimate, there's too many details in there for it to be cribbed from information on the net. Sounds like the Bond film most of us have been waiting for, finally something a little different.

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:31 PM


wow! thanks for that greet review! well that's the thing,... don't compare CR with the older/ classic Bonds, which don't wanna work. for me many fans seem to be afraid of something because there are so many changes and new things coming along with CR so they have no idea waht to expect, that's why most of you guys are probably not comfortable with craig and this new direction as I ve read so many times IMO. but ' don't let's cry about spilled milk!

[b]@casinoroyale11234: Have you missed the less heard bond theme in CR? Or do you thing that's the right balance of not using it that often because of this totally different new bond feeling in CR!? I am asking as a big bond theme fan! :)[b]


AGAIN! I DID'NT WRITE THIS!


Oh! Sorry! I probably missed that little detail! :P

#12 Bon-san

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:41 PM

Seems legit. And based on the reviewer's impressions, very good news. :)

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:44 PM

Did it have The cridits at the end of the movie?

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:49 PM

Did it have The cridits at the end of the movie?



Once again, the original poster did not see the film, he merely copied the review of another poster.

Incidentally, that review can be found here CR Review

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:54 PM


Did it have The cridits at the end of the movie?



Once again, the original poster did not see the film, he merely copied the review of another poster.

Incidentally, that review can be found here CR Review



ok thanks.

#16 Agent Spriggan Ominae

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:55 PM

Some more details of the MIA sequence! :) Row of jetliners? Could this be the exploding 757's?

#17 Blonde Bond

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:58 PM

Sounds like it's going to be BonDasTic ! :)

Something we all have been waiting for. It's good read. Second CR review I read, and they both have been somewhat good.

Edited by Blonde Bond, 02 October 2006 - 11:59 PM.


#18 Double-0-7

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 12:19 AM

Alright I'm ready for it to be 11/17 now!

Thanks for forwarding this review, sounds like the film is getting close to being complete and it is going to be great! :)

#19 Matt_13

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 12:28 AM

Sounds like Arnold got it right and his words on the final scene...I'm way too excited now! :)

#20 Tiin007

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 01:05 AM

I'm so excited!!!

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 01:28 AM

The way the reviewer put it. As in not able to look at the older films again as in the same light with CR. I have got this feeling from seeing the trailer. I honestly can't watch the Brosnan films again(this is not a knock on Brozzie, like as Bond enjoyed his first 3 films).

This all great news. Can't wait to see it. My local theater has the teaser poster in the lobby and the teaser trailer(saw on the big screen for the first time when I went with my cousins to see our cousin, Frankie Flowers, first film "Haven")

I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait.I can't wait.

Edited by danman007, 03 October 2006 - 01:29 AM.


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Posted 03 October 2006 - 01:33 AM

Sounds FANTASTIC.

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 01:41 AM

it just keeps getting better and better. cannot wait for november 17

#24 JimmyBond

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 01:44 AM

The way the reviewer put it. As in not able to look at the older films again as in the same light with CR. I have got this feeling from seeing the trailer.



I bet people said the same thing about Moore after seeing Dalton's first film. Believe me, it doesnt work this way (at least for me). I watched Tomorrow Never Dies the other day and didnt have a problem enjoying it, despite the fact that it's completely different in attitude from Casino Royale.

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 01:55 AM

While I'm happy it is a good review, it still sounds fake to me. I'm no expert, but from what I read anyone who has been keeping up to date on what's been posted on various sites could have made that up (with a few educated guesses and basic connect the dots logic thrown in here and there). I've actually haven't had much time to check out the spoilers section, so I'm not even that current on what's been revealed, and still nothing this writer offered was news to me. Sorry, just not buying it.

Edited by Stephenson, 03 October 2006 - 01:57 AM.


#26 JimmyBond

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 01:57 AM

I thought about that, but the emotion shown through the text feels real. A fake would have gone too far in either (positive or negative) direction.

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 02:01 AM

Another little point that makes me think it's real is that the reviewer spelled Le Chiffre's name as "Le Chiff" which is how it's pronounced in the movie.

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 02:04 AM

Well, I've read more than a few reviews on AICN for different films (and this is very similar in tone) which turned out to be fake. I'm not crying "plant", but it sounds supiciously like a well intentioned fan boy looking for some attention. The "insider" over at AJB was awfully enthusiastic about Owen last year as well, and look how that turned out. I guess I don't see much here that would indicate the person actually saw the film. Guess I just lack faith. :)


Regarding "Le Chiff", you hear that pronunciation in the trailer.

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 03:13 AM

This is interesting but it does seem like a re-hash of the AICN review. However this reviewer doesn't sound like he hates the song the way that reviewer did. If this is a fanboy he knows his stuff, maybe even read the script. But looking at some other posts he's made there is some stuff that wasn't in the script including "a henchmen being violently crushed" in the Venice finale. I could see that happening seeing as the Venice climax has evolved a bit going by the trailer. I share his views on the way I think Craig will stack up against the other Bond, but I haven't seen the film yet I believe that. I've been sold on this movie for a while so he hasn't convinced me either way. Even if this is bogus the possibilty that he may have spoilers for the final film intrigues me. Then again according to the IMDB forums a 2min and 14sec trailer was supposed to be shown with Nip/Tuck.

Edited by Agent Spriggan Ominae, 03 October 2006 - 03:15 AM.


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Posted 03 October 2006 - 03:55 AM

Whether real of fake, I just can't get over the fact that the thing he disliked the most was that the poker scene was to long! :P
Freakin' Awesome! :)

Also nice to hear it gets a little bloody.
Bond is a killer after all.

Edited by Vilain, 03 October 2006 - 03:57 AM.