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[Vauxhall]

The circumstances at the end of CASINO ROYALE, and the fact that we already know that BOND 22 follows the trail of Vesper's past, presents the best opportunity to date to use the title THE PROPERTY OF LADY. I feel that if they opted for a 'new' title, created with no reference to Fleming, then they would have lost a great chance to go back to Fleming once more.

[RazorBlade]

The title should really depend on what the story is about. RISICO sounds like it could cover about anything.

[Waffles, James Waffles.]

Well, like Vauxhall said, now that I think about it, The Property of a Lady fits well, but I don't think it flows of the tongue well. But it could work, and with innuendo.

[Gobi-1]

The circumstances at the end of CASINO ROYALE, and the fact that we already know that BOND 22 follows the trail of Vesper's past, presents the best opportunity to date to use the title THE PROPERTY OF LADY. I feel that if they opted for a 'new' title, created with no reference to Fleming, then they would have lost a great chance to go back to Fleming once more.

One could even create a "McGuffin", the "Property" of the title, something valuable Vesper had that everybody now wants.

[Qwerty]

Would be very cool if we got two back to back Fleming titles.

[MR. BOND 93]

^ Agreed.

My vote is now for 'Property of a Lady'.

[sharpshooter]

Property of a b.... would be more suitable maybe lol.

Yes I like that for Bond 22.

[MR. BOND 93]

haha

[Double_O_Danger]

These are my ideas as titles for the next Bond movie:

1) The Day I'll Never Die
2) Ladykiller
3) Where Every Secret Lies
4) From Death to a Kill

My favourite title of the 4 is 'Where Every Secret Lies', because there is obviously unanswered questions at the end of 'Casino Royale' and there is a secret out there to be found, which is who is behind the organisation funding the world's terrorists! A suited title in my opinion. But that's just me, I dunno what everyone else thinks.

[Qwerty]

Topics merged.

[Gobi-1]

Where Every Secret Lies is a great title.

[dinovelvet]

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[bill007]

The organization was SMERSH, which later became SPECTRE. Let's keep this in context here. PROPERTY OF A LADY was a nice little title for IAN, but it really doesn't work for an action movie, does it?

If, indeed, the follow-on story continues, I recommend:

"007 Kicks again."

Edited by bill007, 19 November 2006 - 07:36 AM.

[Vauxhall]

The organization was SMERSH, which later became SPECTRE. Let's keep this in context here. PROPERTY OF A LADY was a nice little title for IAN, but it really doesn't work for an action movie, does it?

Well, arguably, you wouldn't expect CASINO ROYALE to be the title for an action movie either!!

[bill007]

Vauxhall, I was being totally "tounge-in-cheek" there.

But the power of "Casino Royale" has direct lineage to the author and the novel.

Yes, "Property of a Lady" was a direct title from IAN, but in modern terms, it sounds non-thrilling.

I think "007 Kicks Again" works well.

[Vauxhall]

Vauxhall, I was being totally "tounge-in-cheek" there.

Ah my apologies then. I'm not totally on-the-ball yet this morning

[bill007]

If you're U.K., I see that you are awaking about 8 AM.

How I miss those November mornings. Are you misty there? Cloudy? Or bright sunshine?

[Vauxhall]

I've only really had a brief sleep for an hour or two tonight. But yeah, looks like a great morning. Sun is just rising, with a light mist over the rooftops. No frost on the ground today actually. I'm questioning myself why I'm awake so early on a Sunday morning. Ah well, shall have a mid-afternoon siesta most likely!!

[bill007]

Well, put a cup on for me, milk & sugar, please.

Then, we'll go down that street for bangers and eggs.

Too bad the Off License won't be open for hours. I'd love to buy us a bottle of wine.

LOL.

That is, if you're a married female.

[Vauxhall]

That is, if you're a married female.

Oh, sadly not!! Looks like I'll be off to the off licence on my own.

Liking the link to bring this back to James Bond though... only married females, eh? I wouldn't be your type - "single" (and a guy!)

[SecretAgent007]

I'd be happy if they just used a chapter title. If in fact Vesper appears in one form or another in 22 why not A Whisper of Love, a Whisper of Hate or a variation on that.

[Adler 001]

Go for : Property of a Lady.

Last thing from Fleming and also a good title.

[Qwerty]

I'd be happy if they just used a chapter title. If in fact Vesper appears in one form or another in 22 why not A Whisper of Love, a Whisper of Hate or a variation on that.

That one would work for me.

[spynovelfan]

PER FINE OUNCE. Seriously. Now they've used all the Fleming, now they've gone and made a film called CASINO ROYALE and not had 'marketing issues' because of the '67 film and now that they've got an enormous critically acclaimed worldwide hit, why not call up Ian Fleming Publications and collaborate with them on this unused 60s novel?

I've seen tons of reviews discuss the history of CR, so I don't think this would be any harder, and could be a decent little hook. Plus, Vesper worked for the Treasury, and in PFO Bond is called in by the Treasury. And the Double O Section is about to be closed down. I don't like the idea of remakes, and LALD is so different in tone and doesn't follow through on CR's story anyway. If you did this, you could have the government step in and blame M (and Bond) for the breach of security with Vesper and shut down the Double O Section. Then someone from the Treasury could ask M (and Bond) to help because something Vesper was involved with in South Africa appears to be kicking off. Bond investigates; finds a link to Mr White's bosses; reaches different conclusions from both the Treasury and MI6... Quits and goes on his mission.

Let me dream.

[bill007]

That is, if you're a married female.

Oh, sadly not!! Looks like I'll be off to the off licence on my own.

Liking the link to bring this back to James Bond though... only married females, eh? I wouldn't be your type - "single" (and a guy!)

Oops! Uh, how was that football game the other day? United really did well, eh?

I lived there for six years in the late 80's. Wonderful place. East Anglia, that is. Got around a bit to Dover and Swansea. I knew a bloke in Swansea that liked Bond so much he bought a Lotus. Didn't have the gadgets though (luckily).

[bill007]

PER FINE OUNCE. Seriously. Now they've used all the Fleming.....

A very fine hypothesis. An informed supposition with intriguing coalitions. The closing of CR with 007 holding that H&K UMP 45 leaves us to realize that "Bond is Back!" It also leaves us to ponder where he will go from there. Granted, a continuation of the Vesper track would indeed provide the ability to induce continuity to our 'new' hero, and provide added weight to the Casoino Royale 'reboot.' One must consider that the 'studio' will want to continue utilizing the Fleming gold mine for minute trinkets which can be expounded/expanded upon.

Consider the possibility of the next novel in line, Live and Let Die. It would be rediculous, no, horrendous to even contemplate a previous Bond remake (CR withstanding). As for anything Connery had made, the term "sacreligious" come to mind.

Other than that, the 'studio' is left with the collection of continuation 'ghost writer' stories. Keep in mind though, when we saw "From a novel by Ian Flemming" in the PTS of CR, it was something we haven't seen in many, many years.

I, for one, agree with your argument, and would like to see the Fleming essence continue, if at least, for the next release.

(Spelling corrections: 11/22/06, 22:36)

Edited by bill007, 23 November 2006 - 04:36 AM.

[bill007]

Although, I still think "007 Kicks *** again" is good for a working title, at least.

Or, how 'bout:

DENCH IN A TRENCH
NAKED BOND, PART DOS (OUR MAN ON LATIN AMERICA ASSIGNMENT)
LOOK UP THE NUMBER (IT'S BLOODY 007)
THE BITCH ISN'T BACK, BUT I AM
THE WHITE GUY vs THE BLACK GUY (LEITER RETURNS)
SPY vs SPY (see above)

But seriously, our ponderings here will have little, if any, influence on the outcome of the 'studio's' next release. But it is fun playing with ideas, isn't it, eh?

bill007-out

[EyesOnly]

I think the title should be the name of the organization!

[Qwerty]

DENCH IN A TRENCH

Is M hitting the bottle again in Bond 22?

[yolt13]

I'm not so sure about these Fleming titles. CASINO ROYALE worked not only because it was the first Bond adventure and had not been made into an official entry, but also because it was a relatively faithful adaptation of the novel. On the other hand, co-opting another Fleming phrase or title for a story that is not at least loosely based on the original literary work smacks of the old school way of titling Bond movies, and I'm not certain that's the way they should go moving forward. PROPERTY OF A LADY sounds pretty good, but I personally would prefer that they don't grab a Fleming-ism and make it fit the new film unless the script is built around the story in question. Kind of undermines the goodwill built up by the faithful treatment of CR, and reduces the chances of said work ever being faithfully adapted to screen.

Some of the chapter titles mentioned might work (A WHISPER OF HATE is pretty cool), but is the rather obscure Fleming reference really pointed enough to matter to anyone but the die-hards. In such a case, I would only want them to go with the referential title if that title was the most appropriate to the story and had the best ring to it.