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[Trident]

This just another insignificant detail that the media is blowing out of proportion in order to further their anti-Craig agenda.  So what if Craig doesn't like guns?  To me, that's a very sensible stance to take, as such items generally do much more harm to the overall population than they do good. 

Really, the only thing I have left to say about the media is that I'm tired of all this Craig bashing done by "respectable" publications, and I will discontinue my readership of any publication that continues to push this garbage.  Criticism with merit is perfectly fine, but the media has yet to find any criticism of merit against Daniel Craig.  It seems to me that they only dislike him because he's not Pierce Brosnan.

Very well said! Exactly what I think.

[K1Bond007]

This just another insignificant detail that the media is blowing out of proportion in order to further their anti-Craig agenda.  So what if Craig doesn't like guns?  To me, that's a very sensible stance to take, as such items generally do much more harm to the overall population than they do good.

I don't see the problem either. Roger Moore hated guns too. The article even states this.

[Tarl_Cabot]

this is not a story but I'm glad we'll see the Walther PPK. Yes, I agree that handguns are lame. Now a .50 caliber sniper's rifle? Now that's a weapon.

[Problem Eliminator]

He has it as part of his script in layer Cake, a great scene where he's given a gun to protect himself from the Serbs:

"Are you joking?? I ing hate guns!....although that one is reeeally pretty, what is that World War 2?"

I immediately recalled this as well upon reading the article. Whether DC had it put in the Layer Cake script or not, it really fits his "go about your business and keep to yourself" reluctant antihero in that movie. As already mentioned by others, Craig will surely put aside his personal beliefs and confidently use if not embrace guns when the part calls for it. I think playing this James Bond guy just might.

[Mister Asterix]

I remember when martial arts accessories like throwing stars and butterfly knives became very popular in the 80s.

Then 20/20 did one of their famous exposes on them, showing how far they could penetrate a watermelon.  Gasp!  Image if that was your child!

So it caused an upswell and those things started to be banned.

Meanwhile a martial arts magazine showed how household implements, that are in EVERYONES house, like scissors, kitchen knives, etc. etc. could do the exact same damage to the watermelon.

Okay, so name ther other uses for throwing stars...scissors are used for cutting paper and packages etc, kitchen knives are used for cutting up meat and bread etc, throwing stars are used for........<fill in blank>.....?

Not sure I follow your logic.

What other purpose do darts have?

[doublenoughtspy]

Darren,

I never claimed there were other uses for throwing stars.

20/20 tried to fan the flames by implying that something that could damage a watermelon in such a way was obviously too dangerous to let kids near.

Yet the martial arts magazine showed that plenty of household objects, including scissors, kitchen knives, even pencils and pens, when thrown from the same distance as the throwing stars - penetrated the watermelon just as easily.

The point CoS was trying to make, and my throwing star anecdote was enforcing, is that guns aren't the only things that can kill people. Everyday objects can be used to inflict serious harm or death.

There are more traffic fatalities in the US in one year than the entire casualty total of US forces in Viet Nam for the entire war.

Should we ban cars then too? As CoS said - why pin the blame on the object when it is the behavior that needs to be modified?

And lets not forget another important fact - it's not guns that kill people - it's the bullets

I don't mean to make light of the gun control debate. I hope no one ever has to lose a loved one to handgun violence.

What I dislike the most are hypocrits like Rosie O' Donnel - who chastised Tom Selleck for his NRA stance, but then fail to admit, until it is exposed, that her & her children's bodyguards carry concealed pistols.

Back to the subject of the thread.

I don't begrudge Daniel Craig not liking guns. I don't think he needs to be able to field strip a Walther PPK blindfolded in order to play the character.

But guns are important part of James Bond's world, and I think you can look at the object in the hand of the CBn girl at the top of every page on this site and see that it isn't a peace symbol.

[zencat]

Eh, Roger Moore didn't like guns either. No biggie.

That's where acting comes in, you see.

[Streetworker]

Seems perfectly sensible to me. You'd have to be a bit of an idiot, or American (sorry, guys, couldn't resist the gag... ) to actually embrace the gun culture...

[Genrewriter]

Exactly, zencat. Heck, I'd go so far as to say that Moore dislikes any violence and his Bond films had some fairly nasty moments of violence. After all it is called acting for a reason.

[DLibrasnow]

And lets not forget another important fact - it's not guns that kill people - it's the bullets 

Yes it is bullets. And since you brought up the NRA let's ponder this factoid:

In the 1980s the NRA campaigned to prevent the banning of cop-killer bullets.

Obviously the NRA believed that the animal activists out there had managed to persuade the deer population to don kevlar vests.

I think that's rather telling about where their interests lie.

[Johnboy007]

Wow. Who cares?

[zencat]

[quote name='Trident' date='25 October 2005 - 11:07'][quote name='tdalton' date='25 October 2005 - 18:01']This just another insignificant detail that the media is blowing out of proportion in order to further their anti-Craig agenda.

[Roebuck]

I don't begrudge Daniel Craig not liking guns.  I don't think he needs to be able to field strip a Walther PPK blindfolded in order to play the character.

Quite. No more than he would have to condone the activities of a drug dealer in order to play one. It is supposed to be acting after all.

[Moore Not Less]

What Daniel Craig personally believes about handguns is irrelevant provided it does not affect his performance in Casino Royale. It's well known that Roger Moore was unhappy about some of the violence in his films, but it did not affect his performances.

Forgive the pun. If this article is an attempt by the critics to take another shot at Craig then it's likely to backfire.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

[quote name='DLibrasnow' date='25 October 2005 - 18:46'][quote name='doublenoughtspy' date='25 October 2005 - 13:37']

And lets not forget another important fact - it's not guns that kill people - it's the bullets

[Genrewriter]

So that's why they're always glaring at me like I'm the main bad guy in a Lethal Weapon film.

[zencat]

BTW, this gun story is clearly the product of a PR company which means it was generated and planted to achieve a specific purpose. One thing I've noticed is they all at some point call Craig "the replacement for Pierce Brosnan."

Could the public pissing match between Brosnan and the producers be continuing still? Just saying. And for those of you who don't think people with money and press agents don't play these kinds of games, you don't know how low Hollywood can go.

[spynovelfan]

Odd idea for a PR stunt - surely they'd be trying to establish his similarity with the character. I'd expect to see stuff about how he lives in a flat in London, drives a Saab and so on. The 'real story' behind him nearly buying the first edition of CR, and so on. This seems almost guaranteed to split fans... as it has done, instantly, right in this thread.

[Streetworker]

BTW, this gun story is clearly the product of a PR company which means it was generated and planted to achieve a specific purpose. One thing I've noticed is they all at some point call Craig "the replacement for Pierce Brosnan."

Could the public pissing match between Brosnan and the producers be continuing still? Just saying. And for those of you who don't think people with money and press agents don't play these kinds of games, you don't know how low Hollywood can go.

Working in the entertainment industry, I know only too well how right you are. The worry is, how much more of this are we going to get?

[SecretAgent007]

Don't they use special blank firing props and not actual guns? Do they convert them from actual guns? Excuse my ignorance.

Usually the guns that fire blanks in movies and TV are real guns that are blank adapted. They thread the inside of the barrel and insert a threaded set screw. Then drill a hole in the center of the set screw, adjusting the size until the gun operates properly.

They also use polymer replicas of firearms for scenes where a gun would have to be thrown to the ground.

[zencat]

Odd idea for a PR stunt - surely they'd be trying to establish his similarity with the character. I'd expect to see stuff about how he lives in a flat in London, drives a Saab and so on. The 'real story' behind him nearly buying the first edition of CR, and so on. This seems almost guaranteed to split fans... as it has done, instantly, right in this thread.

No, I'm implying this is a story planted by Pierce's press agent to continue to with Eon. Revenge. It is odd that Pierce's name is featured in all these stories. Craig is not just the "new Bond", he is the "replacement" or "successor to Pierce Brosnan."

[spynovelfan]

Ah, sorry. Being stupid. Well, yes, that would make sense. Dirty stuff if true!

I wonder why there are currently around 50 guests viewing that old 'How to write a James Bond film' thread.

[Streetworker]

Odd idea for a PR stunt - surely they'd be trying to establish his similarity with the character. I'd expect to see stuff about how he lives in a flat in London, drives a Saab and so on. The 'real story' behind him nearly buying the first edition of CR, and so on. This seems almost guaranteed to split fans... as it has done, instantly, right in this thread.

No, I'm implying this is a story planted by Pierce's press agent to continue to with Eon. Revenge.

I think, in fairness to PB and the absence of evidence to the contrary, we should accept the culprits could be a rival studio who sense the franchise is at a critical crossroads and want to twist the knife...

[Mister Asterix]

[mra]But does it bother anyone that Anthony Hopkins doesn

[Leon]

Don't they use special blank firing props and not actual guns? Do they convert them from actual guns? Excuse my ignorance.

They use different types, the main ones are rubber replicas for throwing about in action scenes and modified blank firers which can't fire real bullets. They are modified real weapons rather than replicas...in high budget films like this anyway. I can't mention the name of the company but they collect all manner of ex-service weapons and modify them for use on film sets. Some they clean up, some they leave looking worn for visual effect depending on it's purpose and the film.

EON have ordered some PPK's for Casino Royale

[Moore Not Less]

Odd idea for a PR stunt - surely they'd be trying to establish his similarity with the character. I'd expect to see stuff about how he lives in a flat in London, drives a Saab and so on. The 'real story' behind him nearly buying the first edition of CR, and so on. This seems almost guaranteed to split fans... as it has done, instantly, right in this thread.

No, I'm implying this is a story planted by Pierce's press agent to continue to with Eon. Revenge. It is odd that Pierce's name is featured in all these stories. Craig is not just the "new Bond", he is the "replacement" or "successor to Pierce Brosnan."

This seems like rather a serious allegation to me. Are you implying that this story has been planted by Pierce Brosnan's press agent with Brosnan's full support?

[spynovelfan]

EON have ordered some PPK's for Casino Royale

Ooh. That's a scoop, surely?

[Streetworker]

Odd idea for a PR stunt - surely they'd be trying to establish his similarity with the character. I'd expect to see stuff about how he lives in a flat in London, drives a Saab and so on. The 'real story' behind him nearly buying the first edition of CR, and so on. This seems almost guaranteed to split fans... as it has done, instantly, right in this thread.

No, I'm implying this is a story planted by Pierce's press agent to continue to with Eon. Revenge. It is odd that Pierce's name is featured in all these stories. Craig is not just the "new Bond", he is the "replacement" or "successor to Pierce Brosnan."

This seems like rather a serious allegation to me. Are you implying that this story has been planted by Pierce Brosnan's press agent with Brosnan's full support?

I'm sure that wasn't the intention but, I have to agree, that's how it read to me as well. That was why I posted the suggestion that we accept other possibilities.

[Leon]

EON have ordered some PPK's for Casino Royale

Ooh. That's a scoop, surely?

I have a source with the company and I am saying no more, but the story is correct. Good old PPK is back.

By the way, for todoroki-san (love the name btw, one of my favourite Fleming books), you'll recognise this poster, the PPK Brosnan was holding there was a rubber replica. They are amazingly detailed things for a chunk of rubber.

http://www.progressi...e/goldeneye.jpg

[SecretAgent007]

Blanked guns, can be converted back to fire ammo. It is a matter of switching the barrel out and putting a standard power recoil spring back in the gun. A gun, such as a PPK that has a fixed barrel (barrel is pressed into the frame) is a little more difficult, but they make a tool to remove and replace those types of barrels as well.

The polymer guns are not rubber, usually. They are made of a hard polymer and are cast from molds of real guns. Ring Manufacturing (www.movieguns.com)in Florida provides a lot of the poly guns for film and TV.

A good friend of mine built and blanked all of the guns for Mr. and Mrs. Smith. You can view some of them here: http://www.tjscustomgunworks.com/MMS/