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[Dalton's Wendy]

I imagine Wendy wouldn't have minded too much, seeing as he's the spitting image of Dalton! With a bit less hair, admittedly.

Jason Isaacs:



Timothy Dalton:
http://www.geocities...H/TinDALTON.jpg

Daniel Craig, oh sorry, Dalton again.



Timothy... Daniel... No, it's Geoff Hoon!

NOBODY's the spitting image of DALTON, spynovelfan, Baby!

When it comes to THE DIVINE MR. D., we accept no substitutes!

[Dalton's Wendy]

[quote name='Lady Rose' date='22 November 2005 - 05:03']TD has a large female fan base. They just dont materialise very often on Bond forums. He has a particularly large following in Russia too for some reason. 

TD has a solid and passionate fan base [/quote]
Forgot to mention in my earlier reply to this question.

Lady Rose is correct: TIMOTHY DALTON has a huge international following of women. Fan clubs, websites, on-line chat groups, tons of stuff. I was looking up something about him (for the 9,368th time) on a search engine, and I came across a listing that was described by the search engine as yet another TIMOTHY DALTON fan club.

As Lady R. says, the greater part of the membership of many of these clubs is female, so many of you men reading this are probably unaware of these groups. However, I do know for a fact that the chat group to which I belong (I never get away from the internet these days) has about a 25% male membership, so -- there you are!

As to his fan base being passionate -- well, in the case of myself, 100%!!!!

(I will now keep the links in place below, in case anyone missed them first time around:
http://www.jamesbond...mm_dalton02.jpg
or
http://blogs.warwick...othy_dalton.jpg

[quote name='Lady Rose' date='22 November 2005 - 05:03'][quote name='Dalton's Wendy' date='21 November 2005 - 05:05'](MRS. DALTON -- WOW!!!!!!)

[Dalton's Wendy]

Ok, here's a question to all of you babes and er... babe admirers here. Something Dalton's Wendy and I have been discussing on Yahoo messenger:

How tough do you think the modern Bond girl should be? Should she be in the mould of the tough, sassy, self-sufficient Bond "woman", as portrayed by the likes of Jinx, Wai Lin, Pam Bouvier, Christmas Jones etc, or should she be the soft, gentle, possibly helpless type like Kara, Stacey Sutton, Domino, Honey Ryder etc?

Do you want to see a Bond woman that is Bond's equal, and won't fall straight into bed with him unless it's on her terms? A Lara Croft-type clone who dominates her men, calls all the shots and won't be caught dead being seen as helpless or even needing help? Or do you prefer a throwback to the old era where Bond girls were treated with a little less respect by Bond, and sometimes used as little more than sexual playthings?

Are there only these two variations, or can we have something in between? Are there any other types of Bond girls that exist in a different vein? Or will modern audiences now never accept anything less than a kick- heroine who can compete with and hold her own with the best of the guys?

What do you think?

Well, WELSHCAT, Darling, it looks as if you and I have opened the proverbial can! Personally, I think that everyone who replied to us gave great responses, and I thank them, and I will now quote below some of my favourite points:

I don't think the classic Bond girls were ever "gentle". Pussy Galore wasn't, she was ballsy and slightly sapphic. Honeyrider was a tough, knife toting amazon babe. Even Tiffany Case (the most tedious of the early Bond girls, on screen anyway) was quite a feisty madam when she first met Bond.

The best Bond girls were strong willed women who had to be tamed and won over, they weren't silly girly girls who jumped into bed with him at a moment's notice.

The modern Bond girl should be in that tradition. Strong, confident but eventually won over by Bond - because at the end of the day, women enjoy being a little subservient, as long as the guy merits it.

Agree with you, SCRAMBLED EGGS, my dear (and was just in the midst of reading one of your great Fan-Fics, by the way). WELSHCAT and I also discussed the fact that Pussy Galore was much ahead of her time.

I also agree with your second and third paragraphs. Both points are very true.

Funny you should say that.  I watched TLD on Saturday for the first time in ages.  I'd remembered Kara as being really girly and silly, and was actually impressed by her bravery and strength of character, which came more to the fore as the film went on.  It was certainly satisfying to watch.  So yes, I think you can have a mix of the two.  Besides, a strong woman doesn't need to run around shooting guns and punching people in the face; there are other types of strength.  For men too.

Now, your last two sentences above, MR MALCOLM, really say it all for me!

Ideally I'd like to see a mixture of different Bond girl types.  You can have your strong Wai Lin-like women from time to time, but too much of them (as we've had of late) gets a bit tedious.  You do need lovely ladies like Kara or Domino who need Bond's help as well.  Either way, as long as they're not one-note characters, it's fine.

Again, your last two sentences reflect my feelings to a T!

I don't necessarily need to see Bond girls who can fight physically.

And I happen to agree 100% with Joyce's opinion, as well.

I believe that MR MALCOLM summarized the situation best: we need a mixture of different Bond girl types. As tedious as it would become to watch only the very feminine type of female, I find it equally irritating to watch women who want to fight right in the line of fire alongside Bond.

It is James Bond whom I want to see on the billboard, or on the cover of the DVD -- not James Bond and Wonder-Woman.

[Scrambled Eggs]

If you spend any length of time thinking about it, the stereotypical brainless eye candy Bond girl has never really existed. Bond girls are a varied bunch and always have been.
Personally, i think the reputation for sexism is a bit unfair.

Agree with you, SCRAMBLED EGGS, my dear (and was just in the midst of reading one of your great Fan-Fics, by the way).

Thanks DW, glad you like!

Edited by Scrambled Eggs, 23 November 2005 - 05:39 PM.

[Dalton's Wendy]

If you spend any length of time thinking about it, the stereotypical brainless eye candy Bond girl has never really existed. Bond girls are a varied bunch and always have been.
Personally, i think the reputation for sexism is a bit unfair.

Agree with you, SCRAMBLED EGGS, my dear (and was just in the midst of reading one of your great Fan-Fics, by the way).

Thanks DW, glad you like!

Very much so, SE, and, on re-reading your quote this morning, something else came to mind:

The actual Bond heroines, so to speak, were, as a group, multi-talented, and most definitely varied over the past 43 years.

The general public perception of Bond girls being bimbos likely stems from all those early years of promotional shots showing 007 in his dinner suit, weapon (artillery! ) in hand, surrounded by a multiple number of bikini-clad beauties.

But that's what first sold the public on Bond; images such as those contributed greatly to the incredible box-office success in the franchise's early days. To reiterate something I have already posted elsewhere here, when Harry Saltzman was asked to explain the phenomenal box-office success of Goldfinger, in the year that movie pulled in the highest gross of any single film, his comment was: "We've gone back to the bedrock of Hollywood -- bosoms, blood, and sand!"

[Mr Malcolm]

Funny you should say that.  I watched TLD on Saturday for the first time in ages.  I'd remembered Kara as being really girly and silly, and was actually impressed by her bravery and strength of character, which came more to the fore as the film went on.  It was certainly satisfying to watch.  So yes, I think you can have a mix of the two.  Besides, a strong woman doesn't need to run around shooting guns and punching people in the face; there are other types of strength.  For men too.

Now, your last two sentences above, MR MALCOLM, really say it all for me!

Ideally I'd like to see a mixture of different Bond girl types.  You can have your strong Wai Lin-like women from time to time, but too much of them (as we've had of late) gets a bit tedious.  You do need lovely ladies like Kara or Domino who need Bond's help as well.  Either way, as long as they're not one-note characters, it's fine.

Again, your last two sentences reflect my feelings to a T!

I don't necessarily need to see Bond girls who can fight physically.

And I happen to agree 100% with Joyce's opinion, as well.

I believe that MR MALCOLM summarized the situation best: we need a mixture of different Bond girl types. As tedious as it would become to watch only the very feminine type of female, I find it equally irritating to watch women who want to fight right in the line of fire alongside Bond.

It is James Bond whom I want to see on the billboard, or on the cover of the DVD -- not James Bond and Wonder-Woman.

You know what they say about great minds thinking alike, m'dear!

[Mr Malcolm]

If you spend any length of time thinking about it, the stereotypical brainless eye candy Bond girl has never really existed. Bond girls are a varied bunch and always have been.
Personally, i think the reputation for sexism is a bit unfair.

Agree with you, SCRAMBLED EGGS, my dear (and was just in the midst of reading one of your great Fan-Fics, by the way).

Thanks DW, glad you like!

Very much so, SE, and, on re-reading your quote this morning, something else came to mind:

The actual Bond heroines, so to speak, were, as a group, multi-talented, and most definitely varied over the past 43 years.

The general public perception of Bond girls being bimbos likely stems from all those early years of promotional shots showing 007 in his dinner suit, weapon (artillery! ) in hand, surrounded by a multiple number of bikini-clad beauties.

But that's what first sold the public on Bond; images such as those contributed greatly to the incredible box-office success in the franchise's early days. To reiterate something I have already posted elsewhere here, when Harry Saltzman was asked to explain the phenomenal box-office success of Goldfinger, in the year that movie pulled in the highest gross of any single film, his comment was: "We've gone back to the bedrock of Hollywood -- bosoms, blood, and sand!"

To be fair, there have been a few bimbos. Ms. Sutton is the first one that springs to mind, and Tiffany inexplicably dumbs down something shocking at the end of DAF. But I do agree; the Bond films just aren't anywhere near as sexist as has been traditionally portrayed. Even the most superficially 'weak' ladies like Solitaire and Kissy are strong in their own way. Besides, the bimbo Bond girls are very forgettable!

[Dalton's Wendy]

[quote name='Mr Malcolm' date='23 November 2005 - 13:54'][quote name='Dalton's Wendy' date='23 November 2005 - 02:38']
[quote name='Mr Malcolm' date='22 November 2005 - 15:17']Funny you should say that.

Edited by Dalton's Wendy, 24 November 2005 - 02:28 AM.

[Mr Malcolm]

P.S.  Mr Malcolm: did you try my suggestions yet? If you have any problems -- send me a pm! [/i]

Not yet, DW, as I've been very busy with coursework lately, and haven't had the time to get properly busy in the kitchen. Still, I now have the necessary ingredients so will give it a try as soon as I can!

[Dalton's Wendy]

To be fair, there have been a few bimbos.  Ms. Sutton is the first one that springs to mind, and Tiffany inexplicably dumbs down something shocking at the end of DAF. But I do agree; the Bond films just aren't anywhere near as sexist as has been traditionally portrayed.  Even the most superficially 'weak' ladies like Solitaire and Kissy are strong in their own way.  Besides, the bimbo Bond girls are very forgettable!

I do agree with you, Mr M, my dear, particularly with your comment about the Bond movies not being sexist, as Scrambled Eggs also pointed out.

I really don't see James Bond as sexist; I rather think he's just a good-looking guy having a good time. After all, he's not married, he has no children, no responsibilities, so -- why shouldn't he? What man in his situation would not?

[Alessandra]

Totally, totally right Wendy darling!
Bond is a gorgeous, sexy, witty, classy SINGLE man.. why would he not enjoy women till the last bit???
NOT doing it would be worrying, in that it would suggest he is a mysoginist or a loner (or preferred men to women, which in Bond's case we know is definitely not the case)
Bond isn't sexist at all. He on the contrary really enjoys women, and whatever joke or action he does towards them, it's based on his thorough knowledge and (erm..) appreciation of the subject!
He perfectly knows how to make women swoon and what to do and say to make them fall at his feet! Actually, he doesn't even need to do much, because he has it all... he walks into a room *women turn and start wanting to bed him at once* utters a few, notably perfectly witty and possibly sexy, words... and... women are dying for him already! OF course, the one he does want to get gives him a hard time.. but us BABES very well know we must play hard to get with such a man... or we'll never actually get him!
Which reminds me, I am on a mission to win the heart of Pierce... gotta get going *rushes away in luscious bathrobe ready for the beauty treatments feast*.
I shall give my thoughts on the exquisitely interesting matter of the perfect Bond girl later. That requires time and thinking, which I don't have while I complete my devious plan to get Pierce AND Hugh Jackman. (AND Bond jr. as per previously posted picture.) So ok, a BABE has to keep her options open in order to be sure to get at least some of what she wants!
*telephone ringing: it's Pierce! gotta rush..*

Edited by Alessandra, 25 November 2005 - 10:42 AM.

[Alessandra]

Ok, so I haven't given my toughts on how the ideal Bond girl should be but.. where is everyone????
The Babes have disappeared?? and what about the hunks?
which prompts a question.. would the ideal Bond girl ever quit Bond out of the blue and disappear? is it AT ALL right and possible to see Bond for once BEING DUMPED (and no, deaths don't count in this)?
As far as I'm concerned... NO.
I wouldn't like to see that even if I'm a woman.. it would make Bond lose power and appeal to see a Bond girl seriously dump him. Bond just cannot be dumped, let's face it girls.. we're the ones always picking up the pieces afterwards .. or actually.. drinking the champagne afterwards!

[Mr Malcolm]

Ok, so I haven't given my toughts on how the ideal Bond girl should be but.. where is everyone????
The Babes have disappeared?? and what about the hunks?
which prompts a question.. would the ideal Bond girl ever quit Bond out of the blue and disappear? is it AT ALL right and possible to see Bond for once BEING DUMPED (and no, deaths don't count in this)?
As far as I'm concerned... NO.
I wouldn't like to see that even if I'm a woman.. it would make Bond lose power and appeal to see a Bond girl seriously dump him. Bond just cannot be dumped, let's face it girls.. we're the ones always picking up the pieces afterwards .. or actually.. drinking the champagne afterwards!

I reckon it would depend on the type of girl. Nice girls like Kara or Domino would probably end up getting dumped, whereas I bet that tart Jinx ran off straight away after DAD and is probably doing it with Mr. Bourne as we speak!

Also, I reckon Bond would be quite hard to live with for a long-time, so you never know. And of course, there's that bit at the end of MR the book where Bond and Gala part amicably anyway.

[Lady Rose]

Ok, so I haven't given my toughts on how the ideal Bond girl should be but.. where is everyone????
The Babes have disappeared?? and what about the hunks?
which prompts a question.. would the ideal Bond girl ever quit Bond out of the blue and disappear? is it AT ALL right and possible to see Bond for once BEING DUMPED (and no, deaths don't count in this)?
As far as I'm concerned... NO.
I wouldn't like to see that even if I'm a woman.. it would make Bond lose power and appeal to see a Bond girl seriously dump him. Bond just cannot be dumped, let's face it girls.. we're the ones always picking up the pieces afterwards .. or actually.. drinking the champagne afterwards!

I reckon it would depend on the type of girl. Nice girls like Kara or Domino would probably end up getting dumped, whereas I bet that tart Jinx ran off straight away after DAD and is probably doing it with Mr. Bourne as we speak!

Yeah. She probably took one look at Bonds dodgy parasurfing and was off !!!!

No, Bond should NEVER be dumped. Even though I am a 21st century woman, when it comes to my romantic hero's ( which I do bizarrely class Bond as ) they are always in control with a woman swooning at their feet and as Allesandra says, I dont want to see Bond lose power and appeal.

[Alessandra]

[quote name='Mr Malcolm' date='28 November 2005 - 15:18'][quote]I reckon it would depend on the type of girl.

Edited by Alessandra, 28 November 2005 - 03:13 PM.

[WC]

I reckon it would depend on the type of girl.  Nice girls like Kara or Domino would probably end up getting dumped, whereas I bet that tart Jinx ran off straight away after DAD and is probably doing it with Mr. Bourne as we speak!

lol. Matt Damon isn't really Halle Berry's type though? Bet she still prefers Pierce's mouth-to-mouth practices to save her! lol

Also, I reckon Bond would be quite hard to live with for a long-time, so you never know.  And of course, there's that bit at the end of MR the book where Bond and Gala part amicably anyway.

ah well.. Prince Charming with a little bastard in him (so Bond, the ideal man) will NEVER spend enough time with us Malcolm dear
Lady Rose (hiii ) and I are exactly on the same line.. can't see my dream man being dumped.. he is dream also because he's super strong, super sexy, super irresistible.. there's no way he could be all that if he got dumped by women!
So.. we'll gladly take the victims part here
Although you're right about that Gala part..but amicable doesn't count for "being dumped".. it's even!

All this business of dumping could prove to be a sticky situation for Bond if the said dump took place in one of Home Depot's restrooms!

[hcmv007]

The ideal Bond girl for the 21st Century. (Cracks knuckles)

She should have the following qualities:
Beauty (duh!)
Intelligence
Sophistication
Naive
Self reliance
Determination
Loneliness
Distinguishing mark (mole, scar, etc)
Fashion sense
Innocence (but to a lesser degree)


Just a quick list off the top of my head.

[Alessandra]

lol Welshcat
well let's say the restrooms of Home Depot wouldn't exactly look as a place Bond would attend. and especially NOT with a lady?? lol
I was thinking about how the "being dumped" issue can change applied to different characters.
If say, Lois Lane dumps Superman, then he does whatever he can to get her back (and he does of course) but he doesn't look weaker because of that and in fact it's even a point of strength because it makes him look "oh so sweet" (I mean... Spiderman a total loser with ladies until Kirsten Dunst decides that oh, it's time to kiss... COME ON! and still, he remains Spiderman.)
But if a Bond girl dumps Bond.. it just doesn't work. It's always superheroes, but because he has that MASSIVE quantity of "IT" he just CANNOT be dumped, it doesn't make sense, it would make him look less powerful and attractive.. and even less sexy.
I guess the difference also lies in the fact that Bond looks so incredibly irresistible to women because we know we're going to get into trouble with him.. he'll protect us from enemies sure..but we'll have to do our part with the enemies too and he will also put us into danger because of his enemies.. and most of all.. he'll also give us a hell of a hard time to get him and to get through to his heart! because he's Prince charming.. with a little bastard in him!! lol
And yes, I'm afraid that contributes to making a man irresistible..
oh James! (and champagne). (right Spynovelfan? )

Edited by Alessandra, 28 November 2005 - 04:11 PM.

[hcmv007]

[quote name='Welshcat' date='28 November 2005 - 10:49'][quote name='Alessandra' date='28 November 2005 - 15:08'][quote name='Mr Malcolm' date='28 November 2005 - 15:18'][quote]I reckon it would depend on the type of girl.

[Dalton's Wendy]

The ideal Bond girl for the 21st Century.  (Cracks knuckles)

She should have the following qualities:
Beauty (duh!)
Intelligence
Sophistication
Naive
Self reliance
Determination
Loneliness
Distinguishing mark (mole, scar, etc)
Fashion sense
Innocence (but to a lesser degree)


Just a quick list off the top of my head.

And be a great cook!

[hcmv007]

[quote name='Dalton's Wendy' date='28 November 2005 - 11:22'][quote name='hcmv007' date='28 November 2005 - 11:08']The ideal Bond girl for the 21st Century.

[Lazenby880]

The ability to make coffee would also be a plus.

[Dalton's Wendy]

I reckon it would depend on the type of girl.  Nice girls like Kara or Domino would probably end up getting dumped, whereas I bet that tart Jinx ran off straight away after DAD and is probably doing it with Mr. Bourne as we speak!

Also, I reckon Bond would be quite hard to live with for a long-time, so you never know. 

Nah, Bond wouldn't be too difficult to live with, Mr M, sweetie.

It's very easy to keep a man such as James Bond happy, since there are only two things required for a female to achieve this felicitous state of affairs:

1. Show up naked.

2. Fix him something to eat.

[Alessandra]

ok I'm Italian.. so I can make GREAT coffee (I make espresso at home).
I am a very good cook (again, Italian. and from a family of people involved in restaurant business and clothing business).
then let's see the list.

Beauty (duh!) =? not up to me to say whether I have it or not.
Intelligence =YES. I can say without false modesty LOL
Sophistication =YES (and I'm definitely high maintenance! lol )
Naive =afraid NO
Self reliance =hell YES
Determination =BIG,BIG YES!
Loneliness =uh.. no.
Distinguishing mark (mole, scar, etc) =you don't think I'm writing this here?
Fashion sense =again no false modesty. Definitely yes. Again, Italian.
Innocence (but to a lesser degree) =well.. sometimes. I don't know really.


So it's 6 out of eight (the beauty you'll value for yourself). PLUS the cooking and coffee bonus. Who's up?? lol

Edited by Alessandra, 28 November 2005 - 04:36 PM.

[hcmv007]

1.  Show up naked.

2.  Fix him something to eat.

Now we are getting to what I like!

[Alessandra]

Nah, Bond wouldn't be too difficult to live with, Mr M, sweetie.

It's very easy to keep a man such as James Bond happy, since there are only two things required for a female to achieve this felicitous state of affairs:

1.  Show up naked.

2.  Fix him something to eat.

hm... this is the recipe for ALL men Wendy darling!
For Bond I would fix it in:
1. Show up in La Perla ready to get properly naked. (and with a perfectly toned and fit body)

and most of all
2. fix him something to eat is far from enough. Fix him something outstandingly refined and he can't find anywhere else to eat.
Again... I guess we'll be able to not only cook ourselves, but afford a Chef, since we'll be busy with point 1. most of the time!

[WC]

I reckon it would depend on the type of girl.  Nice girls like Kara or Domino would probably end up getting dumped, whereas I bet that tart Jinx ran off straight away after DAD and is probably doing it with Mr. Bourne as we speak!

lol. Matt Damon isn't really Halle Berry's type though? Bet she still prefers Pierce's mouth-to-mouth practices to save her! lol

Also, I reckon Bond would be quite hard to live with for a long-time, so you never know.  And of course, there's that bit at the end of MR the book where Bond and Gala part amicably anyway.

ah well.. Prince Charming with a little bastard in him (so Bond, the ideal man) will NEVER spend enough time with us Malcolm dear
Lady Rose (hiii ) and I are exactly on the same line.. can't see my dream man being dumped.. he is dream also because he's super strong, super sexy, super irresistible.. there's no way he could be all that if he got dumped by women!
So.. we'll gladly take the victims part here
Although you're right about that Gala part..but amicable doesn't count for "being dumped".. it's even!

All this business of dumping could prove to be a sticky situation for Bond if the said dump took place in one of Home Depot's restrooms!

Umm? Did I miss a memo there Welshcat or what?

Here, to appreciate the joke:

http://www.cnn.com/2...toilet.suit.ap/

[Alessandra]

ROFLMAO!!
tears down my face for the laughter!!
thank you Welshcat darling

[Scrambled Eggs]

Here's something that occured to me today.

Bond's parents died when he was very young, if you were going to psychoanalyse him you'd suggest that his serial monogamy is the embodiment of his constant search for the female affection he missed out on as a child.

So, mightn't Bond be partial to a mothering type? A woman who could comfort the poor lost boy inside him?

A glamourous, sophisticated, experienced yet caring older woman might be the ideal Bond girl for the 21st century?

[Dalton's Wendy]

[quote name='Alessandra' date='28 November 2005 - 11:48'][quote name='Dalton's Wendy' date='28 November 2005 - 17:28'][quote]Nah, Bond wouldn't be too difficult to live with, Mr M, sweetie.

It's very easy to keep a man such as James Bond happy, since there are only two things required for a female to achieve this felicitous state of affairs:

1.