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[[dark]]

Is Robin in this?

No, thank .

Both Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale have expressed in interviews that he won't crop up in this series of films.

Again, thank .

(Am I alone in thinking the concept of sidekicks is the lamest thing to ever grace the world of comics?)

[Jim]

Is Robin in this?

No, thank .

Both Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale have expressed in interviews that he won't crop up in this series of films.

Again, thank .

This is a shame. I would like a teenage ward.

Don't.

[Righty007]

Is Robin in this?

No but young Barbara Gordon, the future Batgirl, makes a cameo.

Is Robin in this?

No, thank .

Both Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale have expressed in interviews that he won't crop up in this series of films.

Again, thank .

This is a shame. I would like a teenage ward.

Don't.

I bet you would.

[Jim]

But who will be my teenage ward?

[The Dove]

Then I have always misunderstood BATMAN BEGINS. I have seen the film five or six times and was always left with the impression that Neeson was a HIGHLANDER-style immortal. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

No problem.. hope that this clears it up a bit should you decide to give the film another try sometime.

Oh and as for Scarecrow's potion, it was made of the same poppy type drug that was found in the blue flowers at the beginning of the film.. Once it is poured into the water main, and vaporized by the microwave emittier which was stolen from Wayne Enterprises, the people on the streets inhale the gas, and star halucinating which causes the panic.. so the Scarecrow's plot is quite feasible.. Does this make sense, or was there something else about this that you had problems with?

[Harmsway]

Then I have always misunderstood BATMAN BEGINS. I have seen the film five or six times and was always left with the impression that Neeson was a HIGHLANDER-style immortal. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

Well, the character is immortal in the comics, and so Nolan never comes out and outright denies it because he didn't want to tick off the fanbase. But as for himself, Nolan believes that the character is entirely mortal (hence the comments that it's all just trickery and deception in the dialogue).

[Judo chop]

Then I have always misunderstood BATMAN BEGINS. I have seen the film five or six times and was always left with the impression that Neeson was a HIGHLANDER-style immortal. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

Well, the character is immortal in the comics, and so Nolan never comes out and outright denies it because he didn't want to tick off the fanbase. But as for himself, Nolan believes that the character is entirely mortal (hence the comments that it's all just trickery and deception in the dialogue).

Yeah, I think I'll go with the Dread Pirate Roberts route too.

[Harmsway]

I always assumed Raz was just the next in line to lead the vigilante ninja group.

Well... Liam Neeson's Ra's was always running the show. Ken Wantanabe was just a decoy figurehead. As far as when Neeson's character took control of the League of Shadows, it's up for debate. In the film, Wayne is convinced he's a mortal and his reputation for immortality is just trickery, so it would assume that Neeson's Ra's just inherited the mantle sometime in the past. But the door is left open for his immortality so that the fanbase is happy.

[sark]

...and I won't even bother going into what I thought was less-than-adequate writing with respect to The Joker putting the citizens and criminals of Gotham to a good/evil test where one ferry has the opportunity to blow up the other before midnight in order to survive...or else he, The Joker, will blow them both up!

I haven't really commented anything on the film, but this reminded me of something I thought while watching (I was going to put this in spoiler tags, but since the quote above already ruined it for anyone who hasn't seen it yet...).

Did anyone else get the impression that that the detonators were for the boats they were on? There's nothing to my knowledge to suggest this, but that's the immeadiate thought I had. It seemed like just the fiendish type of think Joker would do

Also, I almost laughed at the skyhook sequence. I wanted to shout, "you're 43 years too late to be cool, Batman! Bond was there first!"

[Mister Asterix]

Then I have always misunderstood BATMAN BEGINS. I have seen the film five or six times and was always left with the impression that Neeson was a HIGHLANDER-style immortal. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

He is in the comics. Ra’s Al Ghul is 400 to 600 years old, and there is nothing in the film that contradicts this.

[Publius]

After his escape from the hospital he doesn’t even appear disturbed by it.

I think he was too busy being mentally disturbed to worry about his complexion.

Why does Two Face want to kill Gordon's son? How is Dent's ultimate and tragic predicament any fault of Gordon's? The Joker, Batman and the mobsters had more to do with Dent losing Rachel and everything else that he held dear...not Gordon.

He blames Gordon (first a prominent figure within the force, then in charge of it outright) for trusting cops who turned out to be crooked. Wasn't it Ramirez, the female cop seemingly close to Gordon whose mother was ill, who helped the Joker capture Rachel? And he knows that blowing Gordon's brains out won't make him suffer, but making him watch his closest loved one die while lying that everything was going to be okay, mirroring what happened to him and Rachel, will.

I think you have a better case arguing that the Dent-Dawes relationship wasn't believably that strong, but even though I'd say I somewhat agree with you there I still think it was about on par with Bond and Tracy in OHMSS. Speedily established, yet very much plausible and easily accepted once you get past the hasty courtship.

"Please don't kill my boy...Don't...Don't kill my boy...Please". Awsome wrinting, eh?

At least he didn't say something about what he was going to do with his little finger.

Honestly, it's logical dialogue. Gordon is a regular joe. He's not prone to the impromptu speeches that one could reasonably expect of Joker. I actually think he's the best written (and one of the best acted) characters in the movie.

Dent logically should have killed the Joker in the hospital but that would have not been acceptable by the majority of movie goers.

Yes. And he might have earlier in the film, as we see in the interrogation scene. But by then, he had become warped. Everything was 50-50 to him. Maybe he just didn't have what it takes to become a total vigilante and take the law into his own hands, but he had also given up on his previous "law & order" approach. Let fate decide and his hands would be clean. Justice would at least be served more often than it had been under the Joker's chaotic reign.

Even if I'm speculating out of my , though, the point is Dent wasn't logical by that point so expecting him to make logical choices is just plain... illogical.

Anyway, some of the issues you're taking with this new "realistic" Batman are like someone taking issue with this new "realistic" Bond never getting killed by the bad guys when they have the opportunity. There's still a healthy mix of fantasy in all this.

[HildebrandRarity]

I feel dumped on by everyone here.









Just being a Joker!



Perhaps it's time to revisit the "Pierce Tops Gay Pole" ( ) thread in the Brosnan section of the forums for some relief!

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"Pierce Tops Gay Pole"

There are no words.

[Single-O-Seven]

"Pierce Tops Gay Pole"

There are no words.

Isn't the word supposed to be "poll"? Or am I just misunderstanding something about Pierce Brosnan here...

[sark]

"Pierce Tops Gay Pole"

There are no words.

Isn't the word supposed to be "poll"? Or am I just misunderstanding something about Pierce Brosnan here...

No, it's perfect the way it is.

[Loomis]

Then I have always misunderstood BATMAN BEGINS. I have seen the film five or six times and was always left with the impression that Neeson was a HIGHLANDER-style immortal. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

No problem.. hope that this clears it up a bit should you decide to give the film another try sometime.

Oh and as for Scarecrow's potion, it was made of the same poppy type drug that was found in the blue flowers at the beginning of the film.. Once it is poured into the water main, and vaporized by the microwave emittier which was stolen from Wayne Enterprises, the people on the streets inhale the gas, and star halucinating which causes the panic.. so the Scarecrow's plot is quite feasible.. Does this make sense, or was there something else about this that you had problems with?

Well, it all just seems very silly and comic bookish to me, although I'm sure that it's incredibly realistic compared to what goes on in other superhero flicks. And Nolan's fence-sitting on whether Neeson is immortal don't impress me much, either.

Mind you, as I've said many times, I loathe superhero movies (and fantasy fare, sci-fi, ghost stories, westerns, musicals, etc., etc.). My ideal Batman film would be something so real world that it would basically be like a "gritty" Bond outing like LICENCE TO KILL or CASINO ROYALE except with a hero who occasionally (and only very occasionally) dons a rubber bat suit. No Wayne Manor, no outlandish villains, and so on.

[Mister Asterix]

And Nolan's fence-sitting on whether Neeson is immortal don't impress me much, either.

I don’t think it’s fence sitting; I think it’s leaving the door open for... um, Ra’s’s return. Why should Batman — and us for the matter — find out he is immortal when we can have that explained when he mysteriously reappears in some future film. Though he really isn’t, immortal so to speak, he has this Lazarus Pit thing that revives him and makes him young again, so technically he can die.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I never thought Ducard he was immortal.I assume Bruce Wayne was recruited to be his successor, just as he was once recruited by another guy named Ra's al Ghul to be the league's leader...it's like being Daniel Craig...temporary custodian of a mantle. loomis were you by chance in Amsterdamn when you saw Batman begins?

[HildebrandRarity]

"Pierce Tops Gay Pole"

There are no words.

Isn't the word supposed to be "poll"? Or am I just misunderstanding something about Pierce Brosnan here...

No, it's perfect the way it is.

Ha ha! Just being a Joker!

[Harmsway]

And Nolan's fence-sitting on whether Neeson is immortal don't impress me much, either.

I don’t think it’s fence sitting; I think it’s leaving the door open for... um, Ra’s’s return.

Nah, Nolan didn't do that. Nolan has said that, in his mind, Ra's is absolutely dead and that he has no intent to revisit the character.

But Loomis, I don't really think it's fence-sitting. If you're approaching the film without any prior context, you don't have any reason to believe Ra's is immortal. So, honestly, I don't know where you ever got the idea from. Because BEGINS sure as heck doesn't suggest it - it suggests the exact opposite. So taking the film on its own merits, Ra's is mortal and we have no other reason to believe otherwise.

[Odd Job]

Then I have always misunderstood BATMAN BEGINS. I have seen the film five or six times and was always left with the impression that Neeson was a HIGHLANDER-style immortal. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

No problem.. hope that this clears it up a bit should you decide to give the film another try sometime.

Oh and as for Scarecrow's potion, it was made of the same poppy type drug that was found in the blue flowers at the beginning of the film.. Once it is poured into the water main, and vaporized by the microwave emittier which was stolen from Wayne Enterprises, the people on the streets inhale the gas, and star halucinating which causes the panic.. so the Scarecrow's plot is quite feasible.. Does this make sense, or was there something else about this that you had problems with?

Well, it all just seems very silly and comic bookish to me, although I'm sure that it's incredibly realistic compared to what goes on in other superhero flicks. And Nolan's fence-sitting on whether Neeson is immortal don't impress me much, either.

Mind you, as I've said many times, I loathe superhero movies (and fantasy fare, sci-fi, ghost stories, westerns, musicals, etc., etc.). My ideal Batman film would be something so real world that it would basically be like a "gritty" Bond outing like LICENCE TO KILL or CASINO ROYALE except with a hero who occasionally (and only very occasionally) dons a rubber bat suit. No Wayne Manor, no outlandish villains, and so on.

A Batman film where Bruce Wayne hardly ever goes out as Batman. You might be on to something here. How about a Superman film where he doesn't wear the blue suit and red cape and he can't fly. Or an X-men film where there 'mutations' are fairly mild and they are all accepted by society, that might work.

Seriously, if you don't like superhero films, that's fine, each to their own and all that. After all, I'm not all that keen on musicals or Jane Austen style romances, but a lot of other people are and good luck to them. Should I be arguing for a musical with hardly any singing, or a romance style film with more emphasis on the action and violence.

If you loath superhero films, then stay away from them. You'll be much happier!

[EyesOnly]

Out of curiosity, Harmsway...Are you more a Batman fan than Bond, or both equally the same?

[Harmsway]

Out of curiosity, Harmsway...Are you more a Batman fan than Bond, or both equally the same?

At this point, I'm probably more of a Batman fan than I am a Bond fan. It wasn't always that way, though. I'd certainly never want to choose between the two.

[Mr. Blofeld]

A Batman film where Bruce Wayne hardly ever goes out as Batman. You might be on to something here. How about a Superman film where he doesn't wear the blue suit and red cape and he can't fly.

Coincidentally, producer Jon Peters insisted that Kevin Smith include those very things while working on the aborted Superman Lives project.

[Odd Job]

A Batman film where Bruce Wayne hardly ever goes out as Batman. You might be on to something here. How about a Superman film where he doesn't wear the blue suit and red cape and he can't fly.

Coincidentally, producer Jon Peters insisted that Kevin Smith include those very things while working on the aborted Superman Lives project.

I think that says a lot about Jon Peters, doesn't it. Hairdressers should not become producers!!

[Mr. Blofeld]

A Batman film where Bruce Wayne hardly ever goes out as Batman. You might be on to something here. How about a Superman film where he doesn't wear the blue suit and red cape and he can't fly.

Coincidentally, producer Jon Peters insisted that Kevin Smith include those very things while working on the aborted Superman Lives project.

I think that says a lot about Jon Peters, doesn't it. Hairdressers should not become producers!!

True; it also had Superman fighting polar bears, a giant mechanical spider, and Braniac being paired up with a gay robot sidekick (I'm not kidding)!

[sharpshooter]

A Batman film where Bruce Wayne hardly ever goes out as Batman. You might be on to something here. How about a Superman film where he doesn't wear the blue suit and red cape and he can't fly.

I'd say the opposite. I think we get a little more Batman than Bruce this time around if anything. Bruce Wayne is no longer who this man really is. While Wayne wears his mask to hide his identity, it's actually Batman who defines Bruce's true self. Wayne's public persona is the mask. Batman is consuming his life, with the reality that this is not something he can easily walk away from.

And Nolan's fence-sitting on whether Neeson is immortal don't impress me much, either.

I like it to be honest. Is he immortal? Well, it appears that he isn't. It's a bit like Batman's methods of deception and being 'more than just a man'. This fits with Nolan's realistic setting if true, and doesn't totally rule it out for the comic crowd. Just like how there is a tiny speck of hope that

Spoiler

Two Face lived, and is locked up with a broken neck in Arkham Asylum.

[Qwerty]

Yet another box office record smashed by The Dark Knight...

http://www.superhero...ews.php?id=7524

[DR76]

Back to Batman: given that Liam Neeson's character in BEGINS was a several-hundred (thousand?)-years-old immortal . . .

Huh???

I don't recall being under the impression that Liam Neeson's character was an immortal.

Edited by DR76, 24 July 2008 - 06:38 AM.

[DamnCoffee]

I am REALLY excited. I am going to see this in about 4hours time. I cannot wait, I usually only get this excited over a Bond movie (or Indiana Jones 4)