SPOILER: "The game is..."
#31
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:19 PM
Blofeld: " Your move, Mr. Bond!"
Bond: (Dan Castellaneta does a great Connery accent by the way) " I'll take a hit dealer...Joker? You were supposed to take those out of the deck!!"
Homer: " Oh sorry! Here's another one!'
Bond: " What is this card? Rules for Draw and Stud Poker??!!"
Blofeld: " What a pity, Mr. Bond!! " (Jaws and Oddjob rush to grab Bond)
Bond: "But it was Homer's fault!! I didn't lose! I never lose!! Well at least tell me the details of your plot for world domination!!"
Blofeld: " Ha, Ha, Ha, i'm not going to fall for that one again!! "
#33
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:23 PM
#34
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:27 PM
Should Bond's Aston Martin have a sign on it that says "Really Expensive Car" - his tuxedo have a sign that says "Fine tailoring"?
How far will you go to pander to the audience and help them understand Bond's world without requiring any effort on their part?
Poker might be easy to follow, but as all the other people posting here point out - it has a lot of cowboy and joe sixpack connotations.
You can play it with your buddies anywhere with a card table.
Can you say the same for baccarat? No.
If they must have the game in there, I would hope that it would be a duel type scenario, where Bond beats the pants off Le Chiffre at Baccarat, and then Le Chiffre suggests a different game such as poker and Bond beats him at that too.
#35
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:30 PM
Edited by HellIsHere, 26 September 2005 - 04:31 PM.
#36
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:30 PM
Looking at the strange decisions surrounding the making of this film, made so far, I had expected this whole CR story would revolve around a very exciting game of Pacman...
#37
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:33 PM
#38
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:36 PM
When we say "CBn has learned", that implies we got this info from our own sources. Our own "Deep Throats." If we found this news somewhere online or in a magazine, etc., we would name the source and provide a link.his is a really big scoop. Glad to know it. But who was the source?
#39
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:37 PM
or are some of you whining just to whine?
#40
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:37 PM
The problem with this decision [if it's true] is that it'll lock the film in a time period, which in my view is one of the weaknesses of some of the Moore films [snowboarding to a Beach Boys song]. I hope they reconsider...or maybe have Bond battle LeChiffre at a bowling alley.
#41
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:41 PM
#42
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:42 PM
SecretAgentFan,
If they must have the game in there, I would hope that it would be a duel type scenario, where Bond beats the pants off Le Chiffre at Baccarat, and then Le Chiffre suggests a different game such as poker and Bond beats him at that too.
That would remind me too much of Bill and Ted.
"Sorry le Chiffre you lose! It was PROFESSOR PLUM!"
#44
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:44 PM
#45
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:44 PM
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If they must have the game in there, I would hope that it would be a duel type scenario, where Bond beats the pants off Le Chiffre at Baccarat, and then Le Chiffre suggests a different game such as poker and Bond beats him at that too.
That would be a nice twist indeed and my preference
Mixed feelings about this one. I'd love to have a game of Baccarat in the movie, but I don't have a real problem with it being changed to Poker. I guess that at the end of the day, we'll still get to see an exciting card game, and that's what matters.
And a good point by Mr. Asterix: we've had Baccarat many times in a Bond movie, whereas he never played Poker
#46
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:46 PM
I've always found watching Poker on TV to be boring, and that's when I don't know who the winner is. Just think how boring it will be to watch knowing who wins the game.
#47
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:46 PM
Edited by Spoon, 26 September 2005 - 04:50 PM.
#48
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:47 PM
How vulgar (in every meaning of the word).
Perhaps they will play online - 22 year old rookie agent Jim Bond plays online poker all night and ends up at the end of the film, at 4 am, looking like 50ish year old Pierce Brosnan. During a lull in the game he downloads a pretty picture of Sienna Thing with her head pasted onto a pørnstar's body.
Uggy ugyy ugh ugh.
Perhaps there's a reason he never played poker so far in the films; it's a bit, well, common, frankly. He never played bridge in the films either but I suspect they'd never show that...
Thought the point of it being Baccarat was exactly that it was fluke, chance, no method, just fate.
What happened to making Bond aspirational? This is just far too...
...tangible.
#49
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:49 PM
#50
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:49 PM
#51
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:51 PM
Reeling off a long winning streak in poker is far more plausible to me than doing it in baccarat. In poker, you could combine betting well on good hands with artful bluffing on poor hands, and keep winning in that fashion for a long time. (Sure, it'd take immense skill to pull it off, but this is Bond, right? However, in baccarat, like blackjack, you will lose at some point because you simply get dealt worse cards than the dealer. And there is really nothing that Bond or any other gambler in the world could do about that.
Excellent point, Spoon. When broken down Baccarat is just an advanced version of High Card. Not a terrible amount of skill needed.
#52
Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:52 PM
#53
Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:01 PM
My knee jerk reaction for one second was, "no, you can't change it."
But a few moments reflection, and I realize Hold 'em is a much more exciting game that takes guts, instinct and strategy. It's a hell of a lot of fun to play. BTW, it's not a new game, at all. Been around for eons.
I'm all in.
#54
Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:12 PM
Or if we're really lucky, they'll show how young Jim Bond is discovered by MI6 by being a brilliant card player online and will be recruited by the motherly M to defeat the notorious LeChiffre.Perhaps they will play online - 22 year old rookie agent Jim Bond plays online poker all night and ends up at the end of the film, at 4 am, looking like 50ish year old Pierce Brosnan. During a lull in the game he downloads a pretty picture of Sienna Thing with her head pasted onto a pørnstar's body.
#55
Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:13 PM
#57
Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:17 PM
The trick will be to make sure the mass audience understands the basics of the game. Hopefully, we'll get a good but not long-winded explanation of it in the film. Much like the novel with Bond explaining it to Vesper and Mathis.
I think for a contemporary casino based thriller, the game makes sense. Bond likes baccarat, roulette and craps but we've seen it enough. DN, TB, OHMSS, FYEO, GE all have had Bond playing and winning. Hold'em would be something new. Not so much by trying to gain the younger crowd, but it's the hot game these days. I've been in Vegas five times this year and the action was all at the poker tables both on the casino floor and behind the velvet ropes and mostly being played by a black-tie crowd.
#58
Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:19 PM
There you go. What Bryce said.Actually, being no stranger to the VIP sections in Vegas, high stakes poker has as much style and elegance as baccarat. I've seen it played and played it and the tension and player vs. player aspect is far more demanding than wondering what cards have been played in a five deck shoe.
The trick will be to make sure the mass audience understands the basics of the game. Hopefully, we'll get a good but not long-winded explanation of it in the film. Much like the novel with Bond explaining it to Vesper and Mathis.
I think for a contemporary casino based thriller, the game makes sense. Bond likes baccarat, roulette and craps but we've seen it enough. DN, TB, OHMSS, FYEO, GE all have had Bond playing and winning. Hold'em would be something new. Not so much by trying to gain the younger crowd, but it's the hot game these days. I've been in Vegas five times this year and the action was all at the poker tables both on the casino floor and behind the velvet ropes and mostly being played by a black-tie crowd.
And I think purists should at least be happy that this news confirms that a gambling scene is the major set-piece of Casino Royale. I mean, with the way some of the books have been adapted, it was possible we may not have even had that. YOLT without a Garden of Death? Can you imagine fan reaction to that if we had forums back in 67?
#59
Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:25 PM
Actually, being no stranger to the VIP sections in Vegas, high stakes poker has as much style and elegance as baccarat. I've seen it played and played it and the tension and player vs. player aspect is far more demanding than wondering what cards have been played in a five deck shoe.
The trick will be to make sure the mass audience understands the basics of the game. Hopefully, we'll get a good but not long-winded explanation of it in the film. Much like the novel with Bond explaining it to Vesper and Mathis.
I think for a contemporary casino based thriller, the game makes sense. Bond likes baccarat, roulette and craps but we've seen it enough. DN, TB, OHMSS, FYEO, GE all have had Bond playing and winning. Hold'em would be something new. Not so much by trying to gain the younger crowd, but it's the hot game these days. I've been in Vegas five times this year and the action was all at the poker tables both on the casino floor and behind the velvet ropes and mostly being played by a black-tie crowd.
Well, I guess coming from someone first hand, it seems a bit better. I'll take your word for it.
#60
Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:27 PM