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[Call Billy Bob]

Me too. I was expressing joy for the situation finally getting to the needed conclusion when it should have been done that way in the first place.

[tdalton]

Me too. I was expressing joy for the situation finally getting to the needed conclusion when it should have been done that way in the first place.

 

Yesterday was a step in the "right" direction towards this situation getting its necessary conclusion, but there's still a long way to go on that front.  The necessary conclusion will be reached when the NFL owners fire Roger Goodell,Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti fires both John Harbaugh and whoever is in charge of the official Baltimore Ravens Twitter account, and the new NFL Commissioner indefinitely suspends Greg Hardy and Ray McDonald.

[tdalton]

And now this:  AP:  Law enforcement official sent Ray Rice tape to NFL

 

This just gets uglier and uglier by the day.  Neither option for what actually happened is particularly appealing.  Either the NFL is covering up the fact that they knew what was on the video and had it in their possession, or they're so incompetent that they didn't know that someone in their own office had the tape in their possession.

 

One thing, however, is clear at this stage.  I rarely agree with ESPN's Keith Olberman, but he hit the nail right on the head earlier today.  Roger Goodell must be fired.  He should not be given the option of resigning.  The league owners must act, to show that everyone in the league must be held accountable for whatever idiocy occurs on their collective watches.  17 of the NFL's 32 owners must step up and do the right thing and fire Goodell.

 

This whole thing just gets more and more disgusting as we go, and it's just hard to figure out exactly how it ended up at this point.  How could so many people drop the ball in the aftermath of the crime that Ray Rice has been videotaped committing?  Ray Rice should be spending the next several years in prison for punching his wife and knocking her unconscious.  Instead, he gets no jail time and what basically amounts to a few required sessions of anger management.  And then to put the cherry on top of this crap sundae, the victim is the one that gets her name dragged through the mud.  That tweet the Ravens sent out that highlights the fact that Mrs. Rice apologized for her role in the incident was just shameless.  She's the victim here, she has nothing for which to apologize.  The whole thing is just appalling and I sincerely hope that sponsors will begin pulling their sponsorships from the NFL so that they'll get the message that the public is not going to stand for this callousness and arrogance anymore.

Edited by tdalton, 11 September 2014 - 04:49 AM.

[The Dove]

And now it's Adrian Peterson's turn...

http://espn.go.com/n...cted-child-case

 

Wow...things just keep getting better and better for Goodell and the NFL...

[Call Billy Bob]

If he's not ousted by the end of the weekend, I'm afraid it'll never get done...

[tdalton]

I think he'll be fired, but it will be after this weekend is over.  His job now hinges on the Mueller Report, which, judging from similar commissions convened in the past by the NFL, will probably be published sometime in either the second half of the season or just after the season's end.  If the report turns up that he lied or acted negligently, then, based on an article I read on SI.com earlier today, the league owners will take action.  

 

It's clear that change is needed.  The hypocrisy of this commissioner is staggering.  The hammer is dropped on players before there's even a conviction or when the case isn't particularly strong, which we've since found out regarding Bountygate, yet when the players expect the same sense of justice to be applied to the executives, it doesn't come to pass.  If you're going to preach discipline and integrity, then how about you show some, Mr. Goodell?  The fact that Greg Hardy is still wearing an NFL uniform shows that Goodell doesn't care about domestic violence as an issue.  The new policy regarding domestic violence has already proven to be a joke, with Ray McDonald and Greg Hardy still being allowed to play for their teams.  

 

The policy was meant to simply placate the public, and now Goodell is faced with having to suspend an important player on one of the best teams in the league (McDonald) and having to suspend one of the league's biggest superstars (Adrian Peterson) under the policy.  He has already proven that he won't do it to McDonald, and at least the Vikings have deactivated Peterson for this weekend, because we know that the NFL won't suspend one of their biggest stars.  

[Call Billy Bob]

Well, I fully expected my Chiefs to lay an egg yesterday in Denver. I was very pleased with the vast improvements from week one, despite the loss. Losing by a touchdown in Mile High is nothing to hang our heads about. Hopefully the tables will turn at Arrowhead in December!

[tdalton]

Leave it to my Jets to find yet another new way to lose a football game.  They severely outplay the Packers for a half of football, manage to survive both their own implosions as well as the surging offense of the Packers in the second half, only to see a game-tying TD pass from Geno Smith be taken off the board because their OC calls a timeout from the sideline, a timeout which, by the way, should not have been granted by the officials because only the head coach is allowed to call timeouts from the sideline.  

 

The sad thing is, this doesn't happen to other franchises.  The Jets find new and creative ways to lose football games.  No other franchise is as gifted at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory quite like New York's JV team.  It's going to be yet another long season, which is sad because Geno Smith is really starting to show signs that he could be more than just another stop gap between the previous quarterback and the next over-the-hill journeyman that they always bring in to try and quick-fix the problems on offense.

[Call Billy Bob]

tdalton, I was pulling for you in that one. I agree on Geno - I think he'll be a good one for you for many years to come. It's a shame they couldn't pull it out.

[tdalton]

tdalton, I was pulling for you in that one. I agree on Geno - I think he'll be a good one for you for many years to come. It's a shame they couldn't pull it out.

 

Thanks.  It was one of the more painful ones in recent memory, even though I sat on my couch, looking at a scoreboard that read 21-3 and knew how it was going to end.  

[The Dove]

Well, I fully expected my Chiefs to lay an egg yesterday in Denver. I was very pleased with the vast improvements from week one, despite the loss. Losing by a touchdown in Mile High is nothing to hang our heads about. Hopefully the tables will turn at Arrowhead in December!

 

*still keeping the defribrillator paddles close by* Damn that was a heart-attack-waiting-to-happen type of game.. Big props to your Chiefs, Billy Bob..I'm glad that our defense still has the bend-but-don't-break type of mentality but there is a limit to how much we can rely on winning games that way when we can't get the opposing team off the field on 3rd downs and Peyton and Co. only get TWO series in the entire 3rd quarter.. We have got to play WAY better if we want to have any shot at winning in Seattle next week..

[Eric Stromberg]

Interesting day in the AFC-W!  Chefs showed up to play, which I thought they might after rolling over in Week 1.  How about the Chargers?  I haven't seen them play with that much heart and balls in decades.

 

Speaking of which, I think the Jets are in a similar situation as the Chargers were with Norv Turner, but with much different personalities involved, obviously.  The Chargers languished under a lack of leadership for years and years, while Philip "Cry Me a" Rivers wasted precious years of his prime.  Now they are back on track--a few years too late.

 

Jets need a skipper who can steer the ship with a firm hand, not a high fiven', buddy huggin' head coach.  Geno is a very exciting player to watch, by the way.  If developed properly he will be the man...

 

GO BRONCOS

[Call Billy Bob]

Re: Jets/Packers - dat Jordy Nelson...

[tdalton]

 

Speaking of which, I think the Jets are in a similar situation as the Chargers were with Norv Turner, but with much different personalities involved, obviously.  The Chargers languished under a lack of leadership for years and years, while Philip "Cry Me a" Rivers wasted precious years of his prime.  Now they are back on track--a few years too late.

 

Jets need a skipper who can steer the ship with a firm hand, not a high fiven', buddy huggin' head coach.  Geno is a very exciting player to watch, by the way.  If developed properly he will be the man...

 

 

I think that the Chargers/Jets comparison might be an apt one, although I'm going to hold off on making up my mind about whether Ryan is the man for the job into the future until after at least the midway point of the season.  It may be a case of settling for something just because everything before it has been even worse, but Rex's tenure is still one of the high points in Jets history.  Two AFC Championship games, only one losing season, and only one season in which the team wasn't in the playoff discussion heading down to the wire.  For a Jets fan that's seen a lot of bad, all of that still sticks out as what I'd have to call "the good times".  

 

If they were to fire Rex, though, I fear what kind of coach that Idzik would hire.  We're modeled so much after the Seahawks that I'm afraid that he'd go to the college ranks and try to lure one of the top college head coaches to the NFL, much like Seattle did with Pete Carroll.  If my choices are Rex Ryan or going with any of the current NCAA coaches, I'll stick with Rex any day of the week.  

[tdalton]

And we have another one:

 

Cardinals' RB Jonathan Dwyer arrested on domestic violence charges

[The Dove]

5 teams down, 27 to go.. Sad , sad, sad!!

[Call Billy Bob]

I just want it to be Sunday already... let's have some actual football for a change.

[The Dove]

http://www.denverpos...c-violence-case

 

SIX teams now...26 to go...

 

Honestly, this is the first I've heard of Jack Elway's domestic violence case and I live in Colorado..

[Call Billy Bob]

Wow... now it's not even just players anymore. Family members of team executives?!? What the hell is going on?!?

[tdalton]

Wow... now it's not even just players anymore. Family members of team executives?!? What the hell is going on?!?

 

It's been going on for years.  The NFL has just been very successful at sweeping it under the rug.  

[The Dove]

 

Wow... now it's not even just players anymore. Family members of team executives?!? What the hell is going on?!?

 

It's been going on for years.  The NFL has just been very successful at sweeping it under the rug.  

 

Yeah, I guess it shouldn't surprise me..

[Call Billy Bob]

 

Wow... now it's not even just players anymore. Family members of team executives?!? What the hell is going on?!?

 

It's been going on for years.  The NFL has just been very successful at sweeping it under the rug.  

 

That's what I was getting at. The sudden domino effect of the Rice situation... bringing everything to the forefront like this shouldn't shock me, but the past few days has just been beyond crazy

[tdalton]

 

 

Wow... now it's not even just players anymore. Family members of team executives?!? What the hell is going on?!?

 

It's been going on for years.  The NFL has just been very successful at sweeping it under the rug.  

 

That's what I was getting at. The sudden domino effect of the Rice situation... bringing everything to the forefront like this shouldn't shock me, but the past few days has just been beyond crazy

 

 

You're definitely correct, it definitely has been a wild week or so.  

 

I think the problem also lies with the public.  Domestic violence is a problem that hasn't been dealt with by the public in a particularly meaningful way, allowing it to remain behind closed doors, even though everyone agrees with the general concept that it's clearly wrong for a man to place his hands on a woman.  Now that the Ray Rice video has been released, people now actually see what domestic violence looks like, and realize what those who have had to live through that pain already know:  it isn't pretty.  And now, justifiably, the public is pissed that the NFL seems to condone such behavior, and has only been giving it discipline that amounts to less than a slap on the wrist up to this point.  The NFL can no longer sweep this under the rug, because the whole world now knows what the problem looks like.  

 

I'll reiterate again:  Roger Goodell must be fired.  He's allowed this problem to go on too long on his watch.  He fines players and coaches for not addressing the media, but when it comes to his own responsibility to face the media to answer for his incompetence, he's nowhere to be found.  There are a couple of words for that kind of double standard:  hypocrisy and cowardice seem to be the most appropriate.

 

I've got to say, this has affected my desire to watch football considerably thus far this season.  I only watched one game last weekend, the New York vs. Green Bay game.  I didn't tune in to a moment more of NFL football last weekend and, shockingly, I can't say that I missed it all that much.  The NFL has a serious problem, and one that can only be corrected by cleaning house in the NFL headquarters and the NFL owners looking in the mirror and deciding what direction they want this league to go, and then finding a leader who will actually lead this organization, rather than hiding in their office hoping for the firestorm to go away on its own.

[Call Billy Bob]

Of all the analysis and all the opinions I've read on this matter over the past week, tdalton, you have consistantly made the most sense and I wholeheartedly agree with you. Football is a treasured pasttime/escape for many around the country, but I know quite a few people I work with who have stopped watching altogether.

 

I, too, only watched all of one game last Sunday (Chiefs/Broncos with the end of the Jets/Packers tacked on due to it being so close), but that was out of loyalty to my team. And even though I prefer college ball over pro ball anyway, the recent events have turned me off of the NFL as a whole even more. Aside from the Chiefs, I'm not planning on viewing any extra football this Sunday either.

 

If the owners do the right thing soon, I'll be happy to game-hop again. Until then, it's my team only and nothing but.

[The Dove]

*Phew* Well the bright side in yesterday's thrilling (??) overtime loss to the Seahawks is that our defense has DEFINITELY improved from the team we had in February.. We actually kept the score differential a bit more respectable this time.. However, this being said, Manning and the offense picked a very bad time to have one of their worst games where everyone was NOT on the same page. Also OC Adam Gase and the rest of the offensive coaches got WAY too conservative and practically gave up on the running game after Monte Ball's fumble..( I KNEW letting Knowshown Moreno go was a bad idea!!) However, big props for Manning and Co. mounting a furious comeback to send it to overtime..I'd like to think we sent the Seahawks a bit of a message and also gained some respect. Still lots of work to be done and things to correct as we head into our bye week. Our next game is Oct. 5th in Denver against the Cardinals at Mile High (which I'm going to! ) and I expect a great matchup..By no means am I taking Arizona lightly as they are now 3-0 after handing the now-free-falling 49ers another loss yesterday..

[Eric Stromberg]

That game was going so poorly for 3 quarters.  Thank the gods we got our mojo back for the final quarter and made a run at the Seachickens.  Without that overtime period I could see this Seattle rivalry becoming a "thing", as in we never beat them home or away for the next ten years!

 

What a great football game.  As Russell Wilson so succinctly put it after the re-match: "The NFL needed this."

 

BRONCOS RISING!

[The Dove]

Ahh the good ol days when Denver and Seattle used to BOTH be in the AFC West, before the realignment in 2002...

 

Meanwhile, the Detroit Lions have their own "Bill Gramatica" moment...http://www.nfl.com/n...elebrating-sack

[The Dove]

41-14...an absolute DEMOLITION of the Patriots by Billy Bob's KC Chiefs...(Your team is for REAL, BB!! )  Meanwhile the pathetic Oakland Raiders have repeated history by firing Dennis Allen, 4 games into the season (they did it with Mike Shanahan back in '89 and Lane Kiffin in '08...)...and now begins their hunt for the 7,988th head coach the Raiders have had since losing to the Buccaneers in Super Bowl XXXVII..

[tdalton]

41-14...an absolute DEMOLITION of the Patriots by Billy Bob's KC Chiefs...(Your team is for REAL, BB!! )  Meanwhile the pathetic Oakland Raiders have repeated history by firing Dennis Allen, 4 games into the season (they did it with Mike Shanahan back in '89 and Lane Kiffin in '08...)...and now begins their hunt for the 7,988th head coach the Raiders have had since losing to the Buccaneers in Super Bowl XXXVII..

That Chiefs/Pats game was fun to watch last night. As a Jets fan, since we don't have any success to call our own, it's always nice to see the Patriots play that poorly.

The Raiders had to fire Allen. It should have happened after last season, as to not make this season a complete waste of time, but he was a terrible head coach. Rex Ryan will be joining him on the unemployment line in 2-3 weeks time, I think.

[Call Billy Bob]

Hope is restored in Chiefs Kingdom! Dove, that was the most complete game I've seen my boys play in many a year. I'm still on quite the emotional high this afternoon  And, unity in Pats dislike is something I fully support, tdalton.

 

I have a nagging feeling to feel sorry for the Faiders... but then I snap back to reality and remember that they're Oakland!  But in all seriousness (and fan-bias aside), it's a shame that a legendary organization like that has fallen into mediocrity. Perhaps the rumored move to LA or even Texas could ignite something... the dump they play in in Oakland - wow! I was on a business trip to the Bay Area this summer and caught an A's-Red Sox game while there: the place is sad and falling apart. Easily the grossest and shadiest pro stadium I have ever been to. One of the original 8 of the AFL deserves better, no matter how much I dislike them.