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Goran Visnjic as James Bond?


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#91 KB 007

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:38 PM

007 Agent, its called acting. Theoretically, an actor's background or culture shouldn't matter, because they are acting like a different person from a different culture.

Visnjic looks like he could be British. If he could do a perfect accent, I don't see why he couldn't be considered.

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:40 PM

You don't care if a foreigner from Europe plays Bond?

Nope. So there.

Without wishing to cause a flame war, I find your opinion deeply offensive and an insult to all things James Bond.

Well, maybe to you because you're taking all this way too seriously. I'm allowed to have my opinion, so stop being so condescending.

I don't consider you a true Bond fan if you want to see a Croatian or a French actor as Bond. That is completely disrespectful to Fleming's creation. Just because you might think Visnjic looks the part doesn't mean he should be hired. He is not British, knows nothing of British charm, British culture, the way a British person behaves - he is Croatian - and has a completely different culture. All the Bonds, even Lazenby, had an understanding of British life but a Croatian has a completely different culture. You can't expect a Croatian to put on the dinner jacket and act Bond - it's a ridiculous notion. In the same way it's a ridiculous notion to imagine Sean Connery playing a Croatian secret agent with Croatian charm.

There you go again. I would find the nearest ice bucket and stick your exploding head in it.

Don't wish to be rude or unkind but these comments in support of Visnjic I find plain offensive. Just telling it how I see it. Flame me if you like but no way should an East European ever play Bond.

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Well, butt out of it so others who maybe will have more of an argument have a chance.

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:41 PM

You're not helping the debate about finding a suitable actor to replace Brosnan with your support of Visnjic, Bondian and Loomis. You are aware you're making a fool of yourselves and making a mockery of Bond?

You are aware of that, right?

Since when has anyone at CBn or any other Bond forum ever suggested an East European actor as Bond? Never would be my guess and I'm sure I am right. If you want Visnjic as Bond, fair enough, it's your opinion but don't expect other Bond fans to regard your opinion as sensible or any indication you know much about Bond.

I've said my piece - don't wish to be rude - but when people suggest a Croatian as Bond don't expect Bond fans to respect your opinion. I love Bond too much to read nonsense suggestions like yours and respect it. If it takes a fan to be a little harsh and knock some sense into some fans here, I don't mind being the hated one :) because there is no way on God's Earth a Croatian, a French, Spanish, Italian, Russian etc actor should ever play Bond.

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:43 PM

Actually Visnjic has been mentioned several times over the years on these boards.

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:50 PM

You're not helping the debate about finding a suitable actor to replace Brosnan with your support of Visnjic, Bondian and Loomis. You are aware you're making a fool of yourselves and making a mockery of Bond?

Hogwash. Loomis and I were discussing a new angle on Bond before you interjected with your obvious hatred for what we're discussing.

You are aware of that, right?

Nope, but you seem to be.

Since when has anyone at CBn or any other Bond forum ever suggested an East European actor as Bond? Never would be my guess and I'm sure I am right. If you want Visnjic as Bond, fair enough, it's your opinion but don't expect other Bond fans to regard your opinion as sensible or any indication you know much about Bond.

Er, since this topic was created some months ago. If yo bother to look, there are some made over 2 years ago.

I've said my piece - don't wish to be rude - but when people suggest a Croatian as Bond don't expect Bond fans to respect your opinion. I love Bond too much to read nonsense suggestions like yours and respect it. If it takes a fan to be a little harsh and knock some sense into some fans here, I don't mind being the hated one :) because there is no way on God's Earth a Croatian, a French, Spanish, Italian, Russian etc actor should ever play Bond.

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Well, we'll see then won't we. Everyones allowed to have their opinions, and I doubt anyone would so against the idea as you seem to be.

Didn't Connery portray a Russian in "The Russian House"?.

Chill out Mate, and I do not want to offend anyone. I'm just expressing an opinion.

All the best,

Cheers,


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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:55 PM

007 Agent, was it okay in your book for Alec Guinness to play an Indian in A PASSAGE TO INDIA? For Clive Owen to play an American in SIN CITY (I think his character's American, anyway - not seen the film yet)? For Renee Zellweger to pass herself off as the English Bridget Jones?

As KB 007 points out, it's called acting.

You are aware that John Gavin, an American, was actually signed to play Bond in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER? Presumably, the great Albert R. Broccoli - who I imagine also had a great love of Bond - was okay with that. Also, another American, James Brolin was in the frame to be 007 in OCTOPUSSY.

And of course there was Lazenby - okay, he was from the Commonwealth, but, heck, if you're going to cast an Australian as Bond then I really don't see why you can't cast a Croatian. I expect we'll all be in the European Union together some day. :)

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:58 PM

Well, maybe to you because you're taking all this way too seriously. I'm aloud to have my opinion, so stop being so condescending.


So I am condescending because you write an idiotic post wanting a Croatian to play Bond? Right. Well I'd rather be condescending than be an idiot.

You lot just don't get it, do you? Yeah, you say, let's hire Johnny Foreigner because he's six foot, has dark hair, looks semi Bond-like and perhaps, if push comes to shove, do a reasonable English accent. But you just don't get it.

Ever heard of the word RESPECT?

Yes, respect. Has it ever crossed your mind that Eon Productions should, at the very least, respect Fleming's creation and actually hire someone who is British or speaks English as their native tongue? That is showing respect towards Fleming's creation. But you lot don't give a damn about respect and think any old foreigner who looks vaguely Bond-like should be considered/hired.

There isn't a great deal more for me to say. I don't wish to start a flame war or insult people but I don't see how I can respect your opinions when they so idiotic. If it's true Martin Campbell wants Visnjic then he too is an idiot and knows nothing about Bond. So you're in good company, Loomis and Bondian.

I'll stick around in lurk mode as I don't wish to post comments I'll later regret. But suffice to say, I regard Loomis and Bondian as completely out of touch, lacking any respect for the franchise, the traditions associated with the franchise and its casting of Bond, with their support for a Croatian as Bond. Doesn't say much for the Bond search when the best we can come up with is a Croatian actor. :)

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:58 PM

Well, I don't want to come out in support Visnjic until I've seen him in something other that ER and Elektra, but I would like to note one thing that I find interesting:

A large part of Bond's attitude towards life (and the attitudes of 3 of the actors that portrayed him: Connery, Moore, Dalton) are a result of the time and place he grew up: the United Kingdom trying to rebuild itself after WWII. On another thread we were talking about the maturity that a younger Connery was able to bring to the screen, and I think it is due to his hard upbringing in a troubled country. I don't really know much about Visnjic's background, but I do know that a thirty-odd year old man who grew up in Croatia has no doubt seen some hard sights. I think this may allow him to give the character some depth.

Having said that, I'm not really sure how I feel about a non-Commonwealth Bond. Part of me thinks I probably wouldn't care as long as the movie was good. Another part wants to stay loyal to the idea of Bond being "British" (or at least closely related). I do find it ironic that we seem to have little prolem with British actors playing other nationalities (Guiness as an Arab and a Russian, Connery as a Russian, Liam Neeson as a Russian, and (my favorite) Hopkins as "Zorro"!) but immediately turn intensely nationalistic when the idea of a "foregin" Bond is broached.

Finally, I would still take Butler over Visnjic, if for no other reason than Butler had a real presence in Tomb Raider and our Croation friend was a non-entity in Elektra.

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 12:01 AM

Ditto Loomy. :)

It's MooMoo I tell ya. :)


007 Agent, was it okay in your book for Alec Guinness to play an Indian in A PASSAGE TO INDIA? For Clive Owen to play an American in SIN CITY (I think his character's American, anyway - not seen the film yet)? For Renee Zellweger to pass herself off as the English Bridget Jones?

As KB 007 points out, it's called acting.

You are aware that John Gavin, an American, was actually signed to play Bond in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER? Presumably, the great Albert R. Broccoli - who I imagine also had a great love of Bond - was okay with that. Also, another American, James Brolin was in the frame to be 007 in OCTOPUSSY.

And of course there was Lazenby - okay, he was from the Commonwealth, but, heck, if you're going to cast an Australian as Bond then I really don't see why you can't cast a Croatian. I expect we'll all be in the European Union together some day. :)

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 12:08 AM

...and the MooMoo Oscar for the most creative protagonist goes to...007 Agent. :)

Well, maybe to you because you're taking all this way too seriously. I'm aloud to have my opinion, so stop being so condescending.


So I am condescending because you write an idiotic post wanting a Croatian to play Bond? Right. Well I'd rather be condescending than be an idiot.

You lot just don't get it, do you? Yeah, you say, let's hire Johnny Foreigner because he's six foot, has dark hair, looks semi Bond-like and perhaps, if push comes to shove, do a reasonable English accent. But you just don't get it.

Ever heard of the word RESPECT?

Yes, respect. Has it ever crossed your mind that Eon Productions should, at the very least, respect Fleming's creation and actually hire someone who is British or speaks English as their native tongue? That is showing respect towards Fleming's creation. But you lot don't give a damn about respect and think any old foreigner who looks vaguely Bond-like should be considered/hired.

There isn't a great deal more for me to say. I don't wish to start a flame war or insult people but I don't see how I can respect your opinions when they so idiotic. If it's true Martin Campbell wants Visnjic then he too is an idiot and knows nothing about Bond. So you're in good company, Loomis and Bondian.

I'll stick around in lurk mode as I don't wish to post comments I'll later regret. But suffice to say, I regard Loomis and Bondian as completely out of touch, lacking any respect for the franchise, the traditions associated with the franchise and its casting of Bond, with their support for a Croatian as Bond. Doesn't say much for the Bond search when the best we can come up with is a Croatian actor. :)

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 12:09 AM

...and the MooMoo Oscar for the most creative protagonist goes to...007 Agent.  :)

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LOL. :)

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 12:13 AM

and the MooMoo Oscar for the most creative protagonist goes to...007 Agent. 

LOL. 


So if someone explains to people why Bond should be played by a Brit or Commonwealth actor you've got to dismiss him and refer to him as a cow? :)

Is 'Moomoo' a term of abuse here? I am relatively new to this site so not aware of your strange customs.

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 12:18 AM

So if someone explains to people why Bond should be played by a Brit or Commonwealth actor you've got to dismiss him and refer to him as a cow? :)

Yeah. MosCOW!. :)

Is 'Moomoo' a term of abuse here? I am relatively new to this site so not aware of your strange customs.

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It's a Croation term for Chapel. :)

Are you sure you're not a chappy aka MooMoo, JoJo, Mr. Bond, Mr Bond etc?. Because you're posting technique is exactly the same. You duck and dive out of the forum. If you're not, I'm most dreadfully sorry. :)

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 12:26 AM

Are you sure you're not a chappy aka MooMoo, JoJo, Mr. Bond, Mr Bond etc?. Because you're posting technique is exactly the same. You duck and dive out of the forum. If you're not, I'm most dreadfully sorry. 


Well if I said I was this Moomoo character would I get banned from posting? :)

Does it matter who I am - the bottom line is no sane Bond fan, no sane producer, no sane casting person, no sane Sony executive (Amy Pascal) should hire a Croatian as Bond and expect fans to say "oh great, it's someone from Croatia as Bond!"

The whole notion is daft. No, it's beyond daft - it's uber-daft.*

*I just made that word up. :)

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 12:33 AM

Moomy baby. I doubt very much that CBn would ban you. Hey, your like a milk loaded boomerang. :)

OK. I think we've all made some points tonight whether we like this chap or not. At the end of a very warm day ( it was 32c today phew ) I will bid you goodnight, and welcome to the world of discussions. Hey, we're never going to see eye-to-eye everytime, and if we did it would be a boring world.

I do agree however that I am an idiot, but that's another topic. :)

Have a great night.

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Well if I said I was this Moomoo character would I get banned from posting?  :)

Does it matter who I am - the bottom line is no sane Bond fan, no sane producer, no sane casting person, no sane Sony executive (Amy Pascal) should hire a Croatian as Bond and expect fans to say "oh great, it's someone from Croatia as Bond!"

The whole notion is daft. No, it's beyond daft - it's uber-daft.*

*I just made that word up.  :)

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 12:42 AM

I will bid you goodnight,



I bid you a warm goodnight, Bondian. I doubt I am this Moomoo - I don't suffer from delusional grandeur like he does. But then if I weren't Moomoo I wouldn't know that. LOL

I don't want some Croatian as Bond - yuck. No offence but I can't even pronounce his surname.

Can you imagine the radio promotion:

"Bond is Back! Goran Visnjack is James.. er, I mean Goran Visnjnick, Visnijnack, Visinjadick ... some guy is playing Bond in Casino Royale. Out now."

Not going to work. His name is too hard to pronounce and he is foreign. He's pants, face it. Perhaps a nicely ironed pair of pants but still pants. :)

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 01:00 AM

I've just sussed it. I get the whole Bond saga.

Every few weeks or months Eon releases a name into the public domain and sees what reaction it gets. We've had

Eric Bana - he was said to be a main candidate
Rory Whatshisname
Clive Owen
Daniel Craig
Gary Stretch
Goran Visnjic

It's all smoke and mirrors. I bet Eon is looking at sites to see what reaction Goran is getting. It all makes sense. We live in the internet age so Eon is testing the candidates.

Next month expect some other candidate.

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 01:40 AM

I will bid you goodnight,

But then if I weren't Moomoo I wouldn't know that. LOL

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"Buttermilkhook". :)

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 02:57 AM

I don't quite see why the actor being from Europe is such an issue. Didn't Fleming describe Bond as having a Swiss mother and German father (or the other way round)? Or was it Pearson? Anyway, I have yet to see Goran in anything myself, so I can only go by the photos in these threads (unless I do some research).
I wasn't aware he was rumoured to actually be a contender! Missed the interview. Perhaps he'll get signed?

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 07:03 AM

When Loomis and Bondian agree about a candidate, he's worth looking at. My only hesitancy about him would be whether he can do a suitable accent. He has the look, the edginess and the screen presence.

ER is a hugely successful show, probably more so than Remington Steel ever was (although it's more of an ensemble). It made George Clooney's name and Goran Visnij more or less took over as resident hunk in recent series.

A check of his biography shows that he trained as a paratrooper, went to drama school and has performed Shakespeare (he memorably gave a recital from Hamlet in Serbo-Croat in an episode of ER).

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 11:14 AM

Goran Visnjic would be a terrible choice. He really isn't a good actor, and Geronimo probably spoke better English than him. :) I've seen him in a couple of Croatian movies, and, IMHO, he isn't a top class actor.

He's had a different upbringing in a cold country, so he knows how bad life can be.

WTF? Cold country? Believe me it's not that bad here. It was hard during the war, but it's normal now, and it was normal before the war. :)

P.S. Yes, I am from Croatia, and I don't want a Croatian Bond. :)

Edited by Zvone, 28 May 2005 - 02:11 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2005 - 11:28 AM

When Loomis and Bondian agree about a candidate, he's worth looking at. My only hesitancy about him would be whether he can do a suitable accent. He has the look, the edginess and the screen presence.

ER is a hugely successful show, probably more so than Remington Steel ever was (although it's more of an ensemble). It made George Clooney's name and Goran Visnij more or less took over as resident hunk in recent series.

A check of his biography shows that he trained as a paratrooper, went to drama school and has performed Shakespeare (he memorably gave a recital from Hamlet in Serbo-Croat in an episode of ER).


The issue at hand has nothing to do with Mr Visnjic's acting ability on ER - it's to do with (justified) prejudice against casting an East European as James Bond. I am British and when I read Bond novels or watch James Bond films I don't imagine a Croatian as Bond. I doubt anyone does. Bond should be played by an actor whose native language is English. It makes much more sense. What is so smart about hiring a foreigner and then giving him vocal coaching to make sure he sounds English? That's the "let's do things the hard way" approach. Same as casting Daniel Craig as Bond. Why cast someone who is naturally blonde haired when there are actors out there with darker hair? It's just complicating things for no logical reason.

I accept that English speaking actors do play foreign roles - British actor Joss Ackland played a South African villain in Lethal Weapon 2, Alan Rickman played a European villain in Die Hard, but Bond is not like other roles. It has a tradition of casting English speaking actors in the role, people born in the British Isles, the Commonwealth or Ireland where English is usually the native first language. Besides, if it's true that Goran Visnjic is a serious candidate and Campbell wants him it doesn't say much for the British candidates. It's Eon saying, "sorry, the English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh actors are so inappropriate and unsuitable we've gone with a Croatian actor." Hardly a ringing endorsement of British acting talent, is it? :)


I am from Croatia, and I don't want a Croatian Bond.


There we go, someone who is from Croatia and doesn't want a Croatian Bond. Thanks, Zvone.

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 08:50 PM

So, how many accounts do you want here Mr Bond?. :)

Any speculation aside. We're going to know who'll be the next James Bond sometime this year...hopefully.

As long as the chap who's portraying James Bond on the screen is convincing, that's all I care about. Whether the actors Croatian, Pakistani, Himalayan, Hungarian, Jewish or from an extinct pygmy tribe, as long as he has THAT certain "Je ne sais pas" it's fine with me. Another 'hurdle' we're up against is will the film be any good whoever is in it?.

Cheers,


M. OO :)


Goran Visnjic would be a terrible choice. He really isn't a good actor, and Geronimo probably spoke better English than him. :) I've seen him in a couple of Croatian movies, and, IMHO, he isn't a top class actor.

He's had a different upbringing in a cold country, so he knows how bad life can be.

WTF? Cold country? Believe me it's not that bad here. It was hard during the war, but it's normal now, and it was normal before the war. :)

P.S. Yes, I am from Croatia, and I don't want a Croatian Bond. :)

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Posted 30 May 2005 - 12:15 PM

Bond should be played by an actor whose native language is English. It makes much more sense. What is so smart about hiring a foreigner and then giving him vocal coaching to make sure he sounds English? That's the "let's do things the hard way" approach. Same as casting Daniel Craig as Bond. Why cast someone who is naturally blonde haired when there are actors out there with darker hair? It's just complicating things for no logical reason.

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Seems Albert R. Broccoli was quite happy to take the "let's do things the hard way approach" back in the day:

007Forever has the following Michael Gambon in which he describes his meeting with Cubby Broccoli:


"I had coffee and bagels in this house in Mayfair, then I had a nice chat with Cubby. He asked me to do various scenes and after each one he said 'be more romantic', 'be more assertive' or whatever.

Eventually I said: "Y'know Cubby, it would help if I knew which part I was auditioning for". Cubby looked aghast and said "Bond of course". (gasps of disbelief from audience) I couldn't believe it. It was ridiculous.

"But Cubby I'm bald!" "Doesn't matter, so was Sean. We'll just slap a wig on you". "But Cubby, I've got terrible teeth! My teeth are like a horses." "Doesn't matter. We'll take you to Harley Street...you'll have a perfect smile by Friday". "But Cubby, I'm in terrible shape. I've got tits like a woman!" "Doesn't matter. So had Sean. We used to wrap him in ice packs before every love scene."

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Compared to that, does doing a bit of recording studio trickery with overdubbing, remixing or whatever to iron out a few kinks in an actor's voice to make him sound more like a native speaker of English sound extreme?

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Posted 30 May 2005 - 12:55 PM

Well, we don't now know serious Broccoli was when he considered Gambon for Bond. Let's hope he wasn't that serious as he would have made a terrible Bond. :)

http://i.cnn.net/cnn...tter.gambon.jpg

Eek. :)

But I believe my point stands - there is little point hiring a Croatian that could struggle with the English accent. Far more sensible to hire a British actor. :)

Patrick Mower was also a candidate. From Bond wannabe to Emmerdale soap. :)

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Posted 30 May 2005 - 01:09 PM

Compared to that, does doing a bit of recording studio trickery with overdubbing, remixing or whatever to iron out a few kinks in an actor's voice to make him sound more like a native speaker of English sound extreme?

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No, but as I think has already been pointed out, Gambon's stories are notoriously suspect.
The Guardian even ran a story on his fibbing last year.

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Posted 30 May 2005 - 01:13 PM

Really, he told some lies? I suppose it's good for the ego to say you were considered for Bond even if you weren't.

Patrick Mower was said to have been asked to play Bond five times. His response to not getting the role...

"...now we live in Lincolnshire where Anya keeps her horses. I have quite a lot of land, a tennis court, a snooker room and a river. To be honest I lead a pretty idyllic life. So bugger Bond."

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Posted 01 June 2005 - 02:18 PM

I really have to say that Visnjic would be a great choice for the bond character!

He is a fascinating actor with a very interesting biography.
- at the age of 18 in the croatian defense military forces during the serbian/yugoslavian aggression on croatia

- at the age of 22 he became the youngest actor ever to play "Hamlet" at the prestigous Dubrovnik Summerfestival of Arts "Libertas" (played the role for 7 years)

- he graduated with the best diploma at the famous National Academy of Arts in Zagreb

- great role in Emergency Room

-concerning to Madonna: "the sexiest male on the planet" (worked together in the video for "the power of good-bye" in 1998)

-wonderful movies like Duga mracna nocha and welcome to sarajevo


I think he should become the next bond- I really cannot understand any opposite opinion. For example, someone said that goran looks too much mediterrenean. If Goran is too "dark", how would you define Brosnan or Connery??? Compared to visnjic they look like greeks.

"Croats have a different culture- they cannot were a smoking and behave like gentlemen..." do not discuss about something you don`t know. The Croats are one of the eldest people in Europe, who brought a lot of culture to anyone of you.
For example Without Croats Mr. Bond probably would never wear a tie ;-)
I cannot understand people who think that MacGregor, Scott or Jackman would be a good choice. It shouldn`t be about "who is actually british" but more about " who could be a good bond"-sorry, but when i close my eyes, it is rdiculous to imagine Ewan, Hugh, Douglas or anyone else who is mentioned in the moment as a potential bond. They would all be ridiculous compared to connery or brosnan. the only one who can fit in that shoes is definetely Goran Visnjic. There is no argument against him in the fact that he comes from croatia. If a croat can look like and behave like a really good 007, he is probably a better choice than any real Brit who simply cannot fulfill the expectations of the audience. If it is an important factor to come from the commonwealth, than anyone of you in the forum would probably be a bigger fav than goran visnjic- I mean this
argument is so stupid.

I discussed this with many friends,most of them like Visnjic very much. I think that concerning the whole globe, visnjic has more fans than jackman, scott etc.
You have to take into account that the movie is not only shown in Great Britain, but also in the rest of the world.
when i talked to a friend of mine in the states, he said: wow, visnjic from emergency room? he would be a good choice, we like him here very much."
Also in the rest of the world, visnjic probably has more fans through his main character in ER than anyone else of the other candidates (except ewan MacGregor of course!).

And the Accent? visnjic will have a better accent than connery belive me.
just look at ER: in a short time he improved his accent impressively-this should not be any problem.

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Posted 01 June 2005 - 04:53 PM

Welcome to CBn sean c, and I agree with your first excellent post. :)

It's true. I do not know an actor alive in the UK who's a natural choice for Bond. Goran IMHO, has everything that Bond should have without that sickly show-off front that Brosnan has ( which irritates me immensely ). In fact, I'd go as far as to say he'd give Connery a run for his money in the rugged looks department.

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Posted 01 June 2005 - 05:22 PM

I agree - Visjnic would be a great Bond. But can he get out of his contract for ER?