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[bryonalston]

Then in order to repay Campbell, they should award him with his top choice for 007, which is none other than Visnjic...Goran Visnjic

[Loeffelholz]

May happen...can't fight it any longer...

[Slaezenger]

May happen...can't fight it any longer...

...Yeah, and it will be another OHMSS -- lots of externals laced with the Bond theme jingle to prop up what's missing at the core -- the right actor to play Bond.

As for homages to Campbell for GE, that's the same film that wrongly declared Bond was a mysogynist dinosaur and had the leading lady give Bond a guilt trip with clumsy dialogue 2/3 through the picture. These things weakened rather than strengthened the Bond character. I am fed up to here with the recent Bonds that weaken the character and cast these pouty lipped teen crush types. Let them make date movies if they want to -- but don't call them Bond films.

To his credit, Brosnan "carried" some pretty flimsy pictures. If the Bond character really was the "star," then OHMSS, MWTGG, LTK etc would have been box office smashes.

Slaezenger

Edited by Slaezenger, 05 August 2005 - 03:39 AM.

[Turn]

May happen...can't fight it any longer...

As for homages to Campbell for GE, that's the same film that wrongly declared Bond was a mysogynist dinosaur and had the leading lady give Bond a guilt trip with clumsy dialogue 2/3 through the picture. These things weakened rather than strengthened the Bond character. I am fed up to here with the recent Bonds that weaken the character and cast these pouty lipped teen crush types. Let them make date movies if they want to -- but don't call them Bond films.

Well said. You hit upon a major problem I have with GE and a few of the recent Bonds. Can't they just let Bond be Bond and not try to update him with unneccesary things they think will bring in the modern audience? He did just fine for over 30 years prior to these moves.

[Pussfeller]

I think that's the work of Barbara Broccoli. She cast Dench and ever since then, things have been spotty. Bond is too "sensitive", "soulful", etc. TWINE is probably the worst example of this, but you can also see it in the Natalya scenes of GE as well. I wish they would disregard the complaints of people who will never watch Bond films anyway, and return to the fun, careless (if ridiculous) machismo of the Connery films. It shouldn't go against the times (having Bond slap women's bottoms), but it shouldn't be weepy and lachrymose either (like Bond reaching out to touch Elektra's tear on the computer screen).

Still, I think it has less to do with the actor than with the producers and director. After all, the original formula was more or less the work of Terrence Young and Cubby Broccoli, without whom Connery's natural magnetism would have gone to waste.

Edited by Pussfeller, 04 August 2005 - 08:50 PM.

[Slaezenger]

[quote name='Pussfeller' date='4 August 2005 - 20:47']

Edited by Slaezenger, 05 August 2005 - 04:25 AM.

[Skudor]

Yes. Please get rid of the soppiness from Bond films! The GoldenEye dialogue, The World Is Not Enough tear touching are prime examples of what really isn't needed.

[bryonalston]

Going back to the main topic of this thread...do you think that if Visnjic is cast as Bond, they'll make his Bond be all mushy and sensitive like Brosnan's? I feel that he would be a NEW Bond. To clarify, there have been three basic cinematic Bond's over the past 40 years:
1. Connery's Bond was tough, macho and very nonchalant.
2. Moore's Bond was very light-hearted and carefree, yet exhibited signs that his sense of humor and suaveness was a shield for in inner feelings about his job (exhibited in the bar scene of TSWLM, and throughout FYEO.)
3. Dalton's Bond was very dark and sort of shy and introverted (but not in an obvious way.)
(Lazenby's Bond was too incomplete of a character to assess / Brosnan was a mere mesh of the three categories.)

As opposed to Brosnan, I feel that Visnjic's Bond would be something original. He would probably be more akin to a less intense version of Dalton's Bond, with a few touches of flair and pizazz to his personality. I could see Visnjic playing Dalton's Bond in TLD (since TLD Bond was more lighthearted than Dalton's portrayal in LTK.) However, Visnjic's Bond might not be as grouchy as Dalton's Bond was in TLD (like in the scene where Kara gets her Cello.) Another difference between the two Bond's would be that Visnjic is likely to have a much more physical role than the previous Bond's (due to his offscreen hobbies) which means more fights and more stunts (practical ones nonetheless.)

[Slaezenger]

Going back to the main topic of this thread...do you think that if Visnjic is cast as Bond, they'll make his Bond be all mushy and sensitive like Brosnan's?

...Let's see, a Fiat Panda as a roving arsenal for Bond? GV et al on the final four shortlist? These rumors and leaks offer little to get excited about. This next film will likely be another OHMSS-style picture. That is, a commercial Bond with big, splashy, _safe_ externals designed to insure that an unknown in the lead will carry the show at the box office. That was OHMSS -- and likely will be CR. And we all know how OHMSS fared at the box office...

[zencat]

I wish they would disregard the complaints of people who will never watch Bond films anyway...

EXCELLENT point.

[lion-storm]

The good news is that a decision on the next Bond is expected in 20 days.

"07-08-05 Casino Royale (2006) - news on the role is expected within the next 20 days"

Edited by lion-storm, 08 August 2005 - 07:07 PM.

[Skudor]

I wish they would disregard the complaints of people who will never watch Bond films anyway...

EXCELLENT point.

The truth has been found. I hope it does not escape again.

[SportzStooge007]

I wouldn't mind him playing Bond at all. I think he has the looks and the acting skills.

[Qwerty]

The good news is that a decision on the next Bond is expected in 20 days.

"07-08-05 Casino Royale (2006) - news on the role is expected within the next 20 days"

Have to agree with that.

[Seannery]

The good news is that a decision on the next Bond is expected in 20 days.

"07-08-05 Casino Royale (2006) - news on the role is expected within the next 20 days"

Have to agree with that.

But part of the story or even all of it could false hence no Bond decision in 20 days.

[Pussycat]

The good news is that a decision on the next Bond is expected in 20 days.

"07-08-05 Casino Royale (2006) - news on the role is expected within the next 20 days"

Have to agree with that.

But part of the story or even all of it could false hence no Bond decision in 20 days.

Exactly. It's fun to talk, discuss and speculate, but the truth is we don't know what's going on until EON tells us. Every time a new quote or article or tabloid comes out, there are some who jump on it as if it is the gospel truth.

It's nice for a new topic to discuss but we need to take it with a grain of salt, always bearing in mind, it could be and probably is full of rubbish.
Stimulating rubbish, perhaps, and certainly conversation-worthy but not necessarily true.

Oh...Seannery....love your signature!

[Skin 17]

I don't know about a Croation as Bond.

[hcmv007]

In a theater in a small Louisiana town:

Ian Fleming's Casino Royale

Goran Visnjic as James Bond

or

Battlefield Earth 2

Starring Britney Spears

Cletus: Lookie, here Altus. It's that new James Bond doublenaught spy movie.

Altus: Whooie! (Reads sign) Goran Visin? Huh?

Cletus: (Reads sign) How do you say that? Screw this, lets go see the sequla to Battlefield Earth instead.

Altus: Yeah, we can at least pronounce theur names!


Just a little gag if Goran got the role.

[luciusgore]

They may have to accept Goran because it seems no one else wants the role. Everyone who reads the script doesn't want any involvement.

[Pussycat]

They may have to accept Goran because it seems no one else wants the role. Everyone who reads the script doesn't want any involvement.

That's a rather sweeping broad statement.

And I'm not sure it's based on any facts; more like rumors and gossip and tabloid quotes.

[luciusgore]

They may have to accept Goran because it seems no one else wants the role. Everyone who reads the script doesn't want any involvement.

That's a rather sweeping broad statement.

And I'm not sure it's based on any facts; more like rumors and gossip and tabloid quotes.

Well there has to be a reason that Jackman, Owen, McGregor and so many other obvious candidates aren't interested. McGregor is willing to do "The Island" but he won't do "Casino Royale"? It's because he read the script.

[Pussycat]

They may have to accept Goran because it seems no one else wants the role. Everyone who reads the script doesn't want any involvement.

That's a rather sweeping broad statement.

And I'm not sure it's based on any facts; more like rumors and gossip and tabloid quotes.

Well there has to be a reason that Jackman, Owen, McGregor and so many other obvious candidates aren't interested. McGregor is willing to do "The Island" but he won't do "Casino Royale"? It's because he read the script.

I'm afraid I don't agree. You are assuming because you want these actors that EON does. I never thought McGregor looked the least bit Bondian in any fashion whatsoever and I'm willing to bet that EON didn't either!

I know Owen has been a favorite of some Bond fans but that doesn't mean he appealed to EON. Hasn't he said more than once that he was never seriously considered or approached?

Jackman admits to starting the rumors himself. So we don't know if EON ever contacted him.

We knew very few facts but hear quite a few rumors and more than enough tabloid trash.

I'm not going to count any of that as the absolute truth.

[spynovelfan]

Asked a Croatian colleague of mine if she knew that a Croatian was rumoured to be in the running to be the next Bond, and she was amazed. 'Goran Visnjic?' she asked. I nodded. 'But his English is terrible - how will he play a British agent?'

She's Croatian.

Flame away. Just telling it like it is.

[Loomis]

She obviously doesn't watch Jonathan Ross.

[Atticus17F]

She obviously doesn't watch Jonathan Ross.

Exactly - his English ain't that great, either.

[bryonalston]

Well he does a pretty good job at speaking it on ER, where he has a LOT to 26+ letter words and medical terminology to say at any given moment. If his english is really THAT bad, then he must be a great actor, since you can barely tell in his acting work.

[hcmv007]

No one I think is saying that Goran is a bad actor, he was good in Elektra, and the four episodes of ER I have seen he isn't bad, but the big rub, for me anyway, is that he is not British, and that he has not had a true starring role, ER is an ensemble cast, and he was the lead actor in Elektra, but just needs more to show huis full acting chops. Hey, he could play a supporting role in a Robin Williams comedy in which Williams has to dress like a woman again, and Goran could play the new boyfriend of the woman Williams loved. Hey, it worked for Pierce.

[SecretAgent007]

hcmv007, not to be argumentative, but George Clooney was in the same position as Goran...and he became a huge film star.

[hcmv007]

hcmv007, not to be argumentative, but George Clooney was in the same position as Goran...and he became a huge film star.

With oppritunities for starring vehicles, Goran has not had the chances that Clooney has, which was what I was pointing out. If he had those chances, I don't think anyone would have any problems with him possibly getting the part.

[Tired And Emotional]

McGregor is willing to do "The Island" but he won't do "Casino Royale"? It's because he read the script.

Have you seen "The Island"? Presumably he read the script for that too. If the script for CR is worse than that then the whole thing is in trouble. I've so often seen very good actors in films that are, to put it kindly, less than the sum of their parts. Re-writes and edits between getting someone signed up and shooting have a lot to answer for I think. As for starring roles, not in the US perhaps but the rest of the world has a film industry too and Goran well known and well respected in Europe both on screen and stage. He was the male lead in "The Deep End" (excellent) and "Hypnotic" (nice little film with Fiona Shaw, one of the Redgraves and Shirly Henderson) and I thought he held the screen well.

I'm not sure though that it matters much and in any case it's a fine line - too much "starring" history and people will be there to watch the actor not the film which is a clumsy way of putting it but I hope you get what I mean.

I really don't think his English is a problem - he managed perfectly well 5 years ago when he started on ER when his English was rudimentary by learning the lines phonetically and I think English is now second nature to him - but in any case he doesn't have to write the script he just has to learn the words. My French is dodgy if I have to work out how to say what I want to say but if someone gives me the words I can pass as a really good Frech speaker!

It's an equation in the end though isn't it, one that EON has to solve; availability, "type", long term prospects, cost. I think that all the people mentioned could probably pull it off and I have no idea which way they'll jump but I think it unlikely they'll go for Goran. I think they'll play it safe.

Edited by Tired And Emotional, 22 August 2005 - 09:12 AM.