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[JackChase007]

Originally posted by gkgyver
"My, what an uneducated generation I'm part of. It makes me glad to be a bit more mature then them....for the most part..."

That's exactly the same thought that encourages me since I have to explain to my friends over and over why I hate it and they don't get it.
Though, it's still something special these days if you don't like something just because almost everyone does.

I know exactly what you mean - I had friends back at home who were actually convinced that ATTACK OF THE CLONES was the best STAR WARS movie EVER MADE. Nonetheless, I tried to explain to them not only why I didn't like it, but why it was UTTER CRAP, but they're morons. Hell, I haven't spoken to either of those two in awhile, and I must say, my life has felt a lot less idiotic.

Interesting note: both those guys went to a military school for college, and one isn't even going to be joining the army - he wants to be an accountant.

[Roebuck]

Originally posted by Oddfeld
To FULLY understand whats going on in the wacky world of The Matrix, yeah....buy everything with its name on from the dire video game to the comfy pillow-cases.

Joel Silver is now talking of a three movie DVD boxed set (Come on

[JackChase007]

[quote]Originally posted by Roebuck


Joel Silver is now talking of a three movie DVD boxed set (Come on

[gkgyver]

Concerning the IGN quote: that's probably the worst thing they could do: making Reloaded useless.
Isn't it funny? The Architect scene may very well be the centre of Reloaded and it becomes meaningless in the final chapter of the trilogy.

The only thing that interests me really in Revolutions is how it will do at the box office.

[DLibrasnow]

Don't you think most people learned their lesson from the second entry?

[urhash]

Just saw Revolutions. It was okay... maybe bordering on good. What frustrates me most about the two Matrix sequels is that the story and ideas are actually quite intriguing, but it's told so poorly you just can't help but think how good it could've been had they toned down on all the over the top use of CGI, action, etc.

The defense of Zion (this isn't really a spoiler for anyone, right?) had EXCELLENT CGI effects, but just like the last 20 minutes of Attack of the Clones, it was way too ****ing long. There was really no cool martial arts action, and the "showdown" between Neo and Smith in the rain (as seen in the commercials) is basically Dragon Ball Z. No, I mean literally Dragon Ball Z. Only thing missing was fireballs...

I really liked the ending though, unlike some reviewers. I think it gives you something to think about, especially since the (spoiler) Oracle was designed to examine and understand the human psyche and ultimately winds up being the catalyst for change and union between machines and man. It's a bit like Linda Hamilton's quote from Terminator2... "if a machine can learn the value of human life... maybe we can too."

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by urhash

The defense of Zion

What is Zion?

[JackChase007]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


What is Zion?

Zion is the final human city in the real world, where the rest of man kind is holed up.

[DLibrasnow]

real world??

Also urhash

Spoiler

Are you saying that humans and machines are merged

...I didn't quite follow your spoiler. Feel free to answer because I have no intention of ever watching a Matrix movie.

[JackChase007]

Yeah. The Matrix is a fake world that people assume they live in, but it's all fake. The machines feed off of these people and have total control over them. Morpheus and his group went around freeing people, and they came across Neo, who is some super-being (I forget his story) who is able to defy the rules of the Matrix even more than Morpheus, Trinity, and other 'enlightened' people can (since they know it isn't a real world, they are able to bend the rules, like jump from building to building, move more quickly, etc).

[DLibrasnow]

A fake world....how is that possible?

[jwheels]

Darren, it is better explained in the first movie, so if you really want the answers, you need to watch, because I find it almost impossible to explain, but you won't, because, as you said, you have no interest in the movies.

I just got back from Revolutions, and it was great. I thought the last fight sequence was cool. I would of liked to see more of them in the matrix, because this one was primarily in the real world.

[JackChase007]

Darren:

The first one is pretty good. Not a masterpiece (as many my generation consider it), but entertaining. It isn't filled with pretentious dribble like RELOADED is, and takes itself a bit less seriously.

[urhash]

I gotta agree with some of the reviews which said the scene with the Merovingian was absolutely pointless. It boils down to this:

Trinity: "I want your help."
Merv: "You're not getting my help."
Trinity cocks gun.
Merv: "Okay, I'll help you."

Was that just an excuse to see a bunch of S&M rave dancers?

Maybe someone who's seen the movie can explain this to me: (spoiler) Why exactly was Neo trapped in the subway station? I know its a means of transportation for smuggling programs into the Matrix but why was Neo there in the first place?

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by JackChase007
Darren:

The first one is pretty good.  Not a masterpiece (as many my generation consider it), but entertaining.  It isn't filled with pretentious dribble like RELOADED is, and takes itself a bit less seriously.

So I take it, it would be pointless for me to even try to see the third one???

[urhash]

Darren, give the first one a chance. While I don't think its as great as some others make it out to be, it was far more entertaining than any other sci-fi film in recent memory. It also has a good balance of story and action, something that was clearly off whack in its two sequels...

[jwheels]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


So I take it, it would be pointless for me to even try to see the third one???

Unless you have seen the first two, yes it would be pointless.

[JackChase007]

Originally posted by jwheels57


Unless you have seen the first two, yes it would be pointless.

What he said...

[Oddfeld]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


So I take it, it would be pointless for me to even try to see the third one???

Since you already said you plan to ignore them all, and have no intention of watching the first chapter....you are genuinely taking the piss with your line of questioning, no?

[DLibrasnow]

Chatted with a colleague of mine who reviewed tthe movie for our newspaper and he told me the reason they released the movie simulatneously around the world was evidently so bad and such a terrible, redundant movie that they didn't want all the bad word of mouth out but simply hoped to cash in on the first day.

He also said he did not care about the characters in Matrix Revolutions or the plot. Pretty damning sentiments.

"Expect this one to dissappear after a couple of weeks" -John.

[Oddfeld]

I bet no-one else saw that hackneyed theory coming.....

[JackChase007]

That would make me a happy camper, if the whole thing just shrivelled up and died.

[DLibrasnow]

From the sounds of things they should have left the original as a stand-alone movie.

[JackChase007]

Definately. I think it had one of those endings where you know that the story goes on, but it's good just to imagine what happens afterwards. The first one has some very enjoyable scenes (the shoot-out in the lobby, anyone - also has a great musical track: SPYBREAK! by Propellerheads), and Reeves is actually effective. He was good at playing a guy who is trying to find something out - who's searching for the truth, who is not all-knowing. That's part of my problem with his character in Reloaded, that I don't think he's very good at being this confident superhero.

[Oddfeld]

Thats partly the point - he's not entirely confident in/comfortable with the mantle that has been thrust upon him.

The first film does indeed survive on its own merits, and had to in case it flopped.
But it was always planned as a trilogy.

A shame it seems to be disappearing up its own conduit.

[DLibrasnow]

Haven't seen any of the three but I may borrow my colleagues copy of the original to see if it makes more sense.

By the way, my colleague is a Matrix-nut and he hated Matrix Revolutions.

[Oddfeld]

A lot of people did.
I was disappointed with the second one.

But if you do watch the first one, you'll understand why a lot of people probably had different expectations of what the sequel would be about.
Some obviously just wanted "Matrix 2: The Further Adventures of Neo".

Others expected to be wowed the way they were with the first one.
But the Wachowski's set themselves a near impossible task in terms of trying to outdo themselves, and from my seat they went about it in the wrong way.

[JackChase007]

I just went to see RELOADED because I wanted to see entertaining action scenes, like in the first one. But the action scenes WEREN'T entertaining. They were actually long and quite boring. A lot of the same thing over and over and over and over again.

[urhash]

When you're rolling your eyes and checking your watch the FIRST time around you see an action sequence in a movie, you know the directors blew it...

[JackChase007]

Definately. I was nearly yawning during the whole Neo/Agent Smiths fight scene. Yeah, I get the idea that there are a lot of them - I'm not stupid...

It's such a shame though - I liked the whole idea that Smith could duplicate himself, and thought that they actually did a good job of making it look like there were multiple Smiths right there, fighting Neo. Too bad the scene was so poorly executed, though...