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[gkgyver]

Since I couldn't find a thread about this movie, I thought I could open one.
I know it's not out yet, but the premiere lies only one day ahead and the Soundtrack has been released today.

So, here's where you can talk about expectations, hopes, fears, reviews, the Soundtrack and whatever connected with Matrix III.

Concerning myself, my expectations are pretty low, but I'm going to see it because I've got some free tickets.
Listened to the Soundtrack today and I have to say that it doesn't really stand above its two predecessors.

[JackChase007]

I have no intention to see this "film" unless I'm being paid to see it. THE MATRIX RELOADED was one of the most miserable "films" I ever experienced.

[DanMan]

I'll probably see it, but I won't get excited like I did for RELOADED. The only good thing about that movie was the soundtrack and the Multi-smith scene, but everything else pretty much sucked.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by JackChase007
I have no intention to see this "film" unless I'm being paid to see it.  THE MATRIX RELOADED was one of the most miserable "films" I ever experienced.

Agreed Jack...actually I was going to be paid to see this movie but I refused to be put through it.

I only managed to make it through the first 10 or 15 minutes of "Matrix Reloaded" before switching it off in disgust. The premise was really not explained at all and I could not figure out what was happening.

[Righty007]

The Matrix series sucks!

[Jim]

The only way I managed to understand what the Matrix Reloaded was about (for the last twenty minutes) was to bung the subtitles on.

I think I get it...I think. So Neo himself is a computer program who...um...maybe not...concordantly

This said, the bloke who plays "The Architect" - very Bond villain

[gkgyver]

Sorry, but I still don't get the point, even with subtitles on.
The "most interesting" thing in Reloaded was the conversation with the Merovingian.

I'm sorry to say (well, maybe not) that the multiple-Smiths scene was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

If anyone's interested, you can hear the Soundtrack on the official site (for free, I think, didn't try it out). The only thing that's worth a listen is "Neod

[Triton]

I will see this movie just to figure out what was going on in Matrix Reloaded. Who is the mother of the Matrix? Is it Persephone? What did the Architect mean when he said that they we extremely efficient at destroying Zion? Is Zion and the "real world" another manifestation of the matrix? Is Neo a program?

The big issue that I have with Matrix Reloaded was that it wasn't the second chapter of the Matrix trilogy, it was half a chapter of a four hour Matrix film. The purpose of Matrix Reloaded was to open multiple plot threads and then not to close or explain them to compel people to come back to the theater to see Matrix Revolutions.

Hopefully, Matrix Revolutions will sufficiently answer and explain the questions raised in Matrix Reloaded.

[jwheels]

Wow, looks like I'm in the minority about Reloaded. I really liked it. It was confusing, but I think, like Triton said, it was ment to so that you come back for Revolutions, where it is going to all be explained. Can't wait to see how they cap the series off with Revolutions.

[Triton]

Ebert and Roeper both voted "Thumbs Up!" for Matrix Revolutions so that sounds promising. Unfortunately, I missed their actual review of the film.

[Bond111]

Originally posted by jwheels57
Wow, looks like I'm in the minority about Reloaded. I really liked it. It was confusing, but I think, like Triton said, it was ment to so that you come back for Revolutions, where it is going to all be explained. Can't wait to see how they cap the series off with Revolutions.

Thank God there's someone else here who likes this film. I don't understand why it is much maligned by the majority of the public. Could somebody explain why you hate this movie?

I am pretty excited to see The Matrix Revolutions, and it looks like it will be awesome.

[Triton]

Originally posted by bond111


Thank God there's someone else here who likes this film. I don't understand why it is much maligned by the majority of the public. Could somebody explain why you hate this movie?

I am pretty excited to see The Matrix Revolutions, and it looks like it will be awesome.

I think that some people were very disappointed with this film because it feels more like its the first half of a very long movie instead of an installment of a series that can stand on its own. The film has opened multiple plot threads and questions which it never address hoping that audiences would return for Matrix Revolutions.

Also, the visual style of the film, with its "bullet time" and Hong Kong-style martial arts, has already been stolen and parodied by other films and so the scenes in Matrix Reloaded have lost some of their punch. Perhaps the Wachowski brothers should have produced the sequels much sooner, before Hollywood had a chance to strip mine the Hong Kong action genre.

[gkgyver]

"I think that some people were very disappointed with this film because it feels more like its the first half of a very long movie instead of an installment of a series that can stand on its own."

I surely didn't go to see Reloaded because I expected it to be a stand-alone movie.
With two or three exceptions the "dialogues" are duller than in the worst Brosnan 007-flick. "Touch me and that hand will never touch anything again" Are we supposed to laugh?
Yes, yes, I know, the effects. But effects aren't there to justify action that, combined, probably lasts longer than the story aspect of the film. The plot has to justify the action. And is that the case with Reloaded? Sure there's a terribly important reason why Neo has to fight 50 ridiculous-looking CGI Smiths.
Watched the Making Of of Reloaded. Yeah, really big set. Quite an achievement to rebuild one mile of a freeway (attention:sarcasm) ...

Another thing that bugs me a bit, which hasn't really something to do with Reloaded, the movie, is the Soundtrack review for Reloaded from filmtracks.com . For me, Revolutions sounds exactly like Reloaded and vice versa. And still, they give both scores ****, whereas Arnold's DAD only got **. Even if Arnold recycled quite a lot from previous films, DAD is still better than any of the three Matrix scores.

Another funny, quite revealing thing: in one of the more important German magazines, Reloaded got the highest rating when it came out. Some months later, when the DVD was released, the movie got only the second highest rating. They must have figured out that people didn't like it that much and went along. No comment.

[JackChase007]

Originally posted by Triton
Ebert and Roeper both voted "Thumbs Up!" for Matrix Revolutions so that sounds promising. Unfortunately, I missed their actual review of the film.

Didn't they also both give THE HULK two thumbs up?

I detest Ebert and Roeper. It seems like their requisites for reviewing movies are all ****ed up. I remember seeing their review for THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN, and the reason why they ripped it apart so much is because of their complaint about how the Nautilus was so big and that in real life, Venice doesn't have streets (note to those ***holes, it takes place in an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!!!!).

They really need to get their **** together. They need to understand that certain films are made with certain intentions. LXG, for example, was not out to win awards - its sole purpose was to be a fun, entertaining adventure movie, and in that respect, it succeeded GREATLY (well, in my opinion, at least).

[DieAnotherDay57]

Well I saw both matrix movies and I liked both of them a lot. I liked reloaded more . I mean I think that the first one has an original plot and its really cool. The action is great and they brought something new to the movie bussines. Then the second one continued the story which is good and had more action then the first . Offcourse there were things in reloded that have been done in the first such as the whole bullet time but I liked the it and then there were deffinetly thigs that were new such as Neo fighting tons of Agent Smiths . So as you can tell I liked both of them and I am deffinetly looking forward to revolutions.

[urhash]

My problem with Reloaded was that there was never a sense of urgency or compelling narrative. Any that had been built up slowly dissipated in the various 15-20 minute action sequences. After awhile you begin to forget what all the hubbub and explosions are about.

Most of it was utterly anticlimactic also. The clone Smith fight, Trinity dying, the freeway chase, the stairwell fight with Merovingian's guards.

The whole movie really reminds me of the quote, "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." Just because you have the budget to film a really, really long and tedious freeway chase doesn't mean you SHOULD, unless it works with the story. My dad, who loved the first Matrix (more than I did, even) and was really looking forward to Reloaded fell asleep halfway into the movie. Something's *wrong* when the meat of the story isn't explained until the final 10 minutes, and done poorly. Did anyone here completely understand what the hell the Architect was talking about the first time around?

All that being said, for some reason I'm quite pumped up about Revolutions. I'm really curious to see how they will wrap the story up.

[Qwerty]

I've watched the first one 2 or 3 times, but I've just never gotten into the series that much. I didn't see 'Reloaded', and I don't think I'll plan to, as to some of the reviews of the film when it came out months ago, and I just don't find the series very captivating.

[JackChase007]

Yeah, seriously - this is really the first movie where I was beginning for the action scenes to end. How do you make fight scenes boring? REALLY???

[Triton]

The Wachowski brothers really should have edited Matrix Reloaded and Matrix Revolutions into one film. Bigger, longer, and louder action sequences don't necessarily make a more entertaining film.

[JackChase007]

Yeah. I originally loved the idea with the multiple Smiths thing, and thought it was executed very well, but that fight scene just went on WAY TOO ****ING LONG!

[gkgyver]

One other problem with Reloaded is that the forever-lasting action slows your brain, so that you are in a half-asleep condition and the next minute, someone talks at high speed about philosophy and you understand not even half of it

We are in a white corridor, everything goes wham-bam-pow, ten seconds later, we find ourselves in a white room full of monitors and before you can get your thoughts straight, some Hollywood-ripp-off-quasi-God in White Clothes starts jabbering so quickly that you don't even understand the words properly.

I've said it before: had the Wachowskis only a mere glimpse of a thought that this may be too much for the Matrix target-group (don't get me wrong; it may very well be too much for anyone)?

Wait, I know: maybe they don't care ...?

As soon as Neo walks through one of the doors (yes, we got that it's an important decision, but why?), the most ultimate above-average-cringe-worthiest elements of Reloaded come together.
We see a CGI-Neo, which may very well be a cut-scene from Enter The Matrix if we didn't know the cruel truth, doing his Superman thing.
And as soon as Neo and Trinity have got their little tete-a-tete, someone better watches out that I don't have any potential suicide- weapons within my reach.
They couldn't come up with something more over-the-top and over-the-top cliched, could they?
And Don Davis' generic score makes this scene "perfect".

God, I really had to say that ...



Additionally, was anyone else remembered of DAD during the steamy scene between Trinity and Neo at Zion?
Also, no comment.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by jwheels57
Wow, looks like I'm in the minority about Reloaded. I really liked it. It was confusing, but I think, like Triton said, it was ment to so that you come back for Revolutions, where it is going to all be explained. Can't wait to see how they cap the series off with Revolutions.

Sorry....no big issue here....the Matrix series sucks....After sitting through those 10 to 15 minutes of Reloaded I have no wish ot desire to see the first one or Matrix Revolutions.

[TGO]

Jesus Christ...Reloaded wasn't that bad. Could have been more tightly edited, but it wasnt that bad. It seems to me that most of you dislike this movie because the fight scenes were too long or that you couldn't understand the Architect. I find myself very absorbed into the series. Didn't like the idea that they split the stories into different formats...the movies, the video game, the anime DVD. Although the cut scenes from the videogame are going to be added into the movies in the DVD box set.

I only managed to make it through the first 10 or 15 minutes of "Matrix Reloaded" before switching it off in disgust. The premise was really not explained at all and I could not figure out what was happening.

In 15 minutes? You expected a premise of a movie in 15 minutes? Give it 30 mins at least. An hour even.

Anyway, I hope Revolutions turns out to be good.

[urhash]

I agree, gkgyver. There's mysterious and philosophical, like Morpheus in the first Matrix, and then there's just plain obfuscation as with the Architect.

The whole thing with Trinity 'dying' was poorly done. If they wanted to make it suspenseful they should have ended Reloaded around that point so people would wonder if she lives in Revolutions. Still pointless because (Huge Revolutions spoiler, highlight if you want...)Trinity dies for real in the third movie anyways.

[Triton]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


Sorry....no big issue here....the Matrix series sucks....After sitting through those 10 to 15 minutes of Reloaded I have no wish ot desire to see the first one or Matrix Revolutions.

Well if you haven't seen the first film The Matrix, you are at a serious disadvantage to make any sense of the second film Matrix Revolutions. Even though you may know the gimmick of the matrix and even though other Hollywood films have stolen and parodied its images,the original The Matrix is a very entertaining and well made film. Don't let Matrix Reloaded and the multiple Matrix-series products such as the anime and the computer game put you off.

[CommanderBond]

Im pumped for the new one because of the way the second one ended.

[JackChase007]

Originally posted by urhash
I agree, gkgyver.  There's mysterious and philosophical, like Morpheus in the first Matrix, and then there's just plain obfuscation as with the Architect.

The whole thing with Trinity 'dying' was poorly done.  If they wanted to make it suspenseful they should have ended Reloaded around that point so people would wonder if she lives in Revolutions.  Still pointless because (Huge Revolutions spoiler, highlight if you want...)Trinity dies for real in the third movie anyways.

How'd you find this out???

Personally, I'm glad. The more people who share this fate in the movie, the better.

[Robinson]

Originally posted by Triton


Well if you haven't seen the first film The Matrix, you are at a serious disadvantage to make any sense of the second film Matrix Revolutions. Even though you may know the gimmick of the matrix and even though other Hollywood films have stolen and parodied its images,the original The Matrix is a very entertaining and well made film. Don't let Matrix Reloaded and the multiple Matrix-series products such as the anime and the computer game put you off.

This is one of the problems with RELOADED. You HAVE to see THE MATRIX (which was a sleeper and an acquired taste) in order to follow RELOADED. RELOADED takes for granted that everyone has seen the first film and understands it's concepts and is familiar with all the events. I would've liked for RELOADED to have an "everyman" discovering that he's really not living in the real world and be freed just like Neo was. Even if it's a brief scene, it (re)familiarizes the audience with the environment.

I thought the film was serviceable and I actually enjoyed the Architect's speech. That being said, the directors and producers brought us something bigger and louder but didn't improve on the original(ALIENS and SW:TESB did). It kinda reminds me of Bruckheimer extolling the virtues of ARMAGEDDON while distancing the film from DEEP IMPACT(yeah, but ours is the size of Texas).

I'll be there opening weekend to see REVOLUTIONS but I won't be as enthusiastic as I was for RELOADED. As with the forthcoming SW:EP III, I'm truly interested in seeing how the series winds up.

To be frank, there really hasn't been anything that's moved me movie-wise this summer and fall, so far.

[urhash]

Jack,
Some of the reviewers at hometheaterforum.com have seen the premiere of the movie and confirmed earlier 'spoilers' that had been posted.

On an unrelated note, anyone notice how much older Carrie Anne Moss looks in the two sequels? I found her quite hot in the first flick, even if she did look a bit like an exoskeleton.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Triton


Well if you haven't seen the first film The Matrix, you are at a serious disadvantage to make any sense of the second film Matrix Revolutions. Even though you may know the gimmick of the matrix and even though other Hollywood films have stolen and parodied its images,the original The Matrix is a very entertaining and well made film. Don't let Matrix Reloaded and the multiple Matrix-series products such as the anime and the computer game put you off.

Triton....I am not going to sit through "The Matrix" so that it might explain "Matrix Reloaded" which I thought was confusing and completely incomprehensible. That's surely like saying "Gee I didn't really get 'Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom' so I guess I need to see 'Raiders of the Lost Ark').

I didn't see "The Matrix" but thought I would give "Matrix Reloaded" a shot when I noticed a friend of mine had rented it. As I said earlier I turned it off in 10 to 15 minutes unable to follow what was going on. Why should I sit through 2 hours of something else so I can understand the 10 to 15 minutes of something that made no sense??