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[CommanderBond]

Her only flaw is that SHE CANT ACT!!

[TheBritishEnd]

I like TWINE, despite its goofy flaws. (How can you hate a film where the villain intimidates someone by holding a really hot rock in his hand?) The biggest problem with the film was definitely the attempt to emotionalize Bond. Brosnan just let too much of his B movie baggage sneak into this idea.

Still, every audience I saw the film with was entertained, while the restless silence during the last act of DAD was uncomfortable to sit through as a fan.

[Turn]

Originally posted by TheBritishEnd
I like TWINE, despite its goofy flaws.  (How can you hate a film where the villain intimidates someone by holding a really hot rock in his hand?)  

Actually, that was one of the problems I had with this film. Being this guy had this incredible abnormality, why didn't we see him doing more with it? The only other thing I can really remember him doing is putting his hand through a table. As the old showbiz addage goes, if you're going to bring a gun onstage in act I, it better go off by act III.

It's funny how Renard had all this potential but can't hold a candle to a henchman like Red Grant, who can feel pain but is still a much more menacing and frightening opponent for Bond.

[TheBritishEnd]

Personally, I didn't think Renard was menacing enough to inspire Cigar Girl to kill herself.

After the heroics Bond had displayed in the boat chase, did she really think he couldn't protect her...from Renard?

[Qwerty]

Just a thought. What's the deal with the cigar girl's alleged name of Julietta? I've read about it in the new version of the James Bond Encyclopedia, but it is never referred to in the film. I'm wondering if anyone has a screenplay copy or just knows if the name was dropped from the film or just never used.

[Tarl_Cabot]

TWINE was awful;I was so dissapointed by the lackluster character of Renard.Brosnan looks bored to tears, right after his very appealing Thomas crown role too! And he really cakes on the make-up! How could those terrorists allow Bond, who doesn't speak convincing Russian on the plane(in a tux!)? It's a piss poor James Bond film. I used to rank it ahead of AVTAK but now it's #19 behind Die Another day. Two consecutive stinkers for "The best Bond since Connery".

[Goldfinger007]

I am not going to rant about the movie, but while we're on the subject I'll just post my comments on it.

I loved this movie the first time I saw it, probably becuase it was the second James Bond movie I ever saw. This movie has a special meaning for me... Because this was the movie that ultimately made me a Bond fan... and made me buy the other Bond films and see them all...

I didn't see many flaws the first time around... then I bought the DVD and saw it a couple of times more and still liked it....

Right now, after seeing all the Bond films and reading all of your comments, I could probably have another opinion on it. I need to watch it again because its been three years since I saw it the last time...

I'll see it again one of these days...

Edited by Goldfinger007, 30 August 2004 - 01:52 AM.

[Qwerty]

Personally, I didn't think Renard was menacing enough to inspire Cigar Girl to kill herself.

After the heroics Bond had displayed in the boat chase, did she really think he couldn't protect her...from Renard?

It's all about the filmmaking most likely. Renard on the whole, was an unsatisfying character.

Could have been better for sure.

[JimmyBond]

I liked it, but it does try to be too many things to too many people. As Loomis said, they try to give us a serious spy thriller, but also a fun Bond romp. No matter how hard they tried, it can't be both, and it ended up failing. I think the dramatic scenes (yes a bit melodramatic at times) play real well because Apted is experienced in this field. If they would have played up the drama as best they could and gave Brosnan a few fisticuffs (less stunts and more all out brawls) then this movie might have worked.

[Qwerty]

to me score for the film stunk!!

The score for this film by Arnold was a fantastic one.

[CharlieBind]

Oh I liked this movie. I have some good memories of watching this at the pictures back in '99 and it remains engrossing with each viewing. I loved the Vertigo references and the connection with Tracey, while the pre-credit sequence was one of the best (very unpredictable at first viewing). Robbie Coltrain steals the movie and Q's goodbye is very bitter-sweet.

The only flaw is Denise Richards, but compared to certain other Bond girls (Tanya Roberts for one) she isn't that bad.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

This is one of the best bonds ever made,it has no flaws...at least to this fan and thats all that counts in the end

[Qwerty]

The only flaw is Denise Richards, but compared to certain other Bond girls (Tanya Roberts for one) she isn't that bad.

And truthfully, she's not that bad. At least not as bad as she's usually made out to be. She's a Bond girl, nothing more and nothing less. That works.

[DLibrasnow]

to me score for the film stunk!!

The score for this film by Arnold was a fantastic one.

Are you kidding me? Arnold has yet to write a fantastic score for a 007 picture - he uses the James Bond Theme too much!

[Qwerty]

to me score for the film stunk!!

The score for this film by Arnold was a fantastic one.

Are you kidding me? Arnold has yet to write a fantastic score for a 007 picture - he uses the James Bond Theme too much!

Nope, not kidding at all. I love Arnold's work. His Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is not Enough scores are standouts for me.

[DLibrasnow]

He sucks. He has ruined the "specialness" of The James Bond Theme.


The only good score he has done was for STARGATE!

[Qwerty]

To each his own then.

I think his scores are great.

[CharlieBind]

to me score for the film stunk!!

The score for this film by Arnold was a fantastic one.

Are you kidding me? Arnold has yet to write a fantastic score for a 007 picture - he uses the James Bond Theme too much!

TND and TWINE are up there with the best of Barry, in my eyes. I never got around to buying the DAD soundtrack, as Madonna's theme isn't really to my taste.

[Loomis]

to me score for the film stunk!!

The score for this film by Arnold was a fantastic one.

Are you kidding me? Arnold has yet to write a fantastic score for a 007 picture - he uses the James Bond Theme too much!

Nope, not kidding at all. I love Arnold's work. His Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is not Enough scores are standouts for me.

Arnold has done good work on the Bonds - I find the music in the second half of TOMORROW NEVER DIES terrific, and much of his DIE ANOTHER DAY score is very good. However, I find his stuff for THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH almost painful to listen to: horrible techno beats and "scratching" (check out that loathsome track that plays over the closing credits), almost unbelievable overuse of the James Bond Theme, and that sickmakingly sugary love theme that ended up being used again in DAD when Bond and Jinx are playing with the diamonds at the end. And comparing Arnold to Barry is like comparing Raymond Benson to Fleming.

[DLibrasnow]

Loomis....watching The World Is Not Enough is just painful period.

[Loomis]

True. But it goes to show how rotten it is that there's not even one element (such as the score) that you can isolate and say: "Well, that part of it's quite good."

[CharlieBind]

True. But it goes to show how rotten it is that there's not even one element (such as the score) that you can isolate and say: "Well, that part of it's quite good."

I'd disagree and say even the weakest part of the movie (Ms Richards) looks good in comparison with other Bond girls (stand up Stacy, take a bow Ms Goodnight, hang your head in shame the one out of Licence who didn't marry that famous actor )

TWINE is definately a top ten Bond for me.

Edited by CharlieBind, 30 August 2004 - 06:09 PM.

[Qwerty]

to me score for the film stunk!!

The score for this film by Arnold was a fantastic one.

Are you kidding me? Arnold has yet to write a fantastic score for a 007 picture - he uses the James Bond Theme too much!

TND and TWINE are up there with the best of Barry, in my eyes. I never got around to buying the DAD soundtrack, as Madonna's theme isn't really to my taste.

Die Another Day's soundtrack is rather good IMO, just not as good as the other two.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

I love TWINE, I look at Denise Richards now and wonder why she is an actress, she'd make a much better nuclear technician, or possibly a CIA spook herself.

eerr, wait. NOPE

I don't think I've made it past the pretitle beyond the first two times I watched this movie, I don't hate it, but I'd rather just watch the pretitle and then my version of DAD in which I edit out Halle Berry by skiping any scene with her in it. Hey! Maybe I'll combine the two and just have two hours of Pierce killing people and saying cool lines. 'The World Is Not Another Day' Electra and Miranda Frost can be in it too.

[Qwerty]

to me score for the film stunk!!

The score for this film by Arnold was a fantastic one.

Are you kidding me? Arnold has yet to write a fantastic score for a 007 picture - he uses the James Bond Theme too much!

Nope, not kidding at all. I love Arnold's work. His Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is not Enough scores are standouts for me.

Arnold has done good work on the Bonds - I find the music in the second half of TOMORROW NEVER DIES terrific, and much of his DIE ANOTHER DAY score is very good. However, I find his stuff for THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH almost painful to listen to: horrible techno beats and "scratching" (check out that loathsome track that plays over the closing credits), almost unbelievable overuse of the James Bond Theme, and that sickmakingly sugary love theme that ended up being used again in DAD when Bond and Jinx are playing with the diamonds at the end. And comparing Arnold to Barry is like comparing Raymond Benson to Fleming.

The end title track is better than Only Myself to Blame though IMO.

[CharlieBind]

I like "Only Myself To Blame", though I must admit I'm a Scott Walker fan (a lot of his 'sixties songs would have made wonderful Bond songs).

[Qwerty]

It's okay...not my most favorite.

[CharlieBind]

It's okay...not my most favorite.

It's not the best thing that Scott ever did, but it was nice to see him involved with the Bond universe.

[Qwerty]

It's okay...not my most favorite.

It's not the best thing that Scott ever did, but it was nice to see him involved with the Bond universe.

Fair enough. Variety is good.

[Turn]

TWINE is definately a top ten Bond for me.

It's a top 20 Bond movie for me. As in no. 20 out of 20.

Aside from Arnold's TND score, the TWINE and TND scores are pretty much clones of each other. I haven't watched these movies too many times, but I still have a hard time remembering which piece of music is from where in the film when I listen to the soundtracks in my car. That tells me something.

Besides that, Arnold even says on the TND extended CD interview track that he pretty much put everything he had into TND. You never heard John Barry say he put everything into FRWL or GF. He always came up with something interesting.