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[BONDFINESSE 007]

Originally posted by SPECTRE No. 7
I really liked TWINE. When I first saw it I thought it was the BEST - now, I think not. And while parts of it are great (the entire pre-credits: the Bankers office, Moneypenny, the Boat Chase; Elektra as played by Sophie Marceau), some of it is truly awful. While the cinematography doesnt kill me, it is terrible and that scene where Elekta "cant breathe" is simply embarrassing - I would watch Stepmom if I wanted over-emoting. But it's still better than DAD.

yes, despite all its faults the world is not enough is still better then dad:) i am glad there is a fairly big number of who feel this way

[Harmsway]

DLibrasnow, I am by no means a TWINE fan, but I think you hate TWINE a little too much. As much as TWINE isn't all that great, it's not all that terrible either. It's just an "eh" Bond efforts. Got some good stuff:

-Pre-Title
-The Casino
-The Missile Silo
-The Torture Chair
-David Arnold Score (gotta disagree with ya, I like the Arnold score and thought he used the Bond theme way too LITTLE!)

And then again, some bad stuff:

-Entire M Briefing sequence
-Any scene with Bond and Elektra alone
-The Parahawks and Caviar Factory sequences
-The bland finale
-Pierce Brosnan's lackluster performance
-Christmas Jones (obviously)
-Terribly boring villians, but such potential for Elektra
-Terribly boring henchmen
-Terrible dialogue in places
-Terrible Direction

But nonetheless, I would still take the film above LTK (the most dreadful Bond film, IMO) or AVTAK or TWMTGG.

[Genrewriter]

I agree wqith your points, Harmsway. Despite some rather serious flaws on a storytelling level, I do enjoy the film for both the things it gets right and the things it gets wrong.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

Originally posted by Harmsway
DLibrasnow, I am by no means a TWINE fan, but I think you hate TWINE a little too much. As much as TWINE isn't all that great, it's not all that terrible either. It's just an "eh" Bond efforts. Got some good stuff:

-Pre-Title
-The Casino
-The Missile Silo
-The Torture Chair
-David Arnold Score (gotta disagree with ya, I like the Arnold score and thought he used the Bond theme way too LITTLE!)

And then again, some bad stuff:

-Entire M Briefing sequence
-Any scene with Bond and Elektra alone
-The Parahawks and Caviar Factory sequences
-The bland finale
-Pierce Brosnan's lackluster performance
-Christmas Jones (obviously)
-Terribly boring villians, but such potential for Elektra
-Terribly boring henchmen
-Terrible dialogue in places
-Terrible Direction

But nonetheless, I would still take the film above LTK (the most dreadful Bond film, IMO) or AVTAK or TWMTGG.

well i must say that denise richards and her wet tshirt and her nice legs made up for any bad thing this film may have had in it, i think i stoped watching the film and just started watching her....dont hold me to that though;)

[DanMan]

I really like TWINE. It's one of my favorite Bond movies. But DAD is still better.

[jwheels]

I love TWINE. I think it is good that it is the most dramatic than Brosnan's other Bond movies. I liked how it was more about investigating who killed King, rather than just going around shooting people and blowing things up. TWINE was not ment to be a fun Bond movie, but so the serious and emotional side of Bond that we don't often see anymore.

[Genrewriter]

True, but it's very possible to inject fun into a more serious scenario. Making the other actrion scenes as fun as the opening chase would have gone a long way towards accomplishing this. The ski chase could have had better internal logic by having a few shots of Electra dodging bullets which would have shown that5 she is so insane that she would have her own men fire at her to make the deception looki real. The undgerground sequence was good but should have been a bit more than a simple fire fight. A thing that might have hjelped would hbge if Electra were to escape initially. Bond could destroy the sub, kill Renard and then have a final confrontation with Electra, maybe a few months after the whole affair has been cleared up to show how personal the situation is for Bond..

[Ed King]

Originally posted by Genrewriter
A thing that might have hjelped would hbge if Electra were to escape initially.  Bond could destroy the sub, kill Renard and then have a final confrontation with Electra, maybe a few months after the whole affair has been cleared up to show how personal the situation is for Bond..

I don't think there's any lack of fun in TWINE, but I agree that keeping Elektra alive until the very last minute would make the movie a lot better. The sub sequence is almost as boring as the ending of TSWLM.

[Kristian]

Allegedly, Bruce Fierstein suggested having Elektra survive and having Bond visit her at a mental institution in the final scene, kind of like Xavier and Magneto in X-men.

Would have been a better ending...

[Jaelle]

Originally posted by Tarl_Cabot
LOL I'll never tire of hearing you rip TWINE.It wasn't as bad as DAD though.

Well, that's not too hard, Tarl.

With TWINE I came out of the theater feeling "ok, whatever, that was interesting, where are we going to eat now?"

After watching DAD (this was months after it had been released and I was back in the US, it was still showing at a small theater in my neighborhood), I came away feeling incredibly HOSTILE to the entire Hollywood film community and wanted to put out a contract on every single person involved with it, or at least threaten several lawsuits for severe injuries inflicted on my brain.

With GE, I came out of the theater quite impressed and certain that James Bond would continue in well-deserved glory. With TND, I came out of the theater disappointed but still going over some of the more memorable moments and figuring out the strengths and weaknesses. And wishing they'd cut down Carver's lines in half.

[Genrewriter]

I had a similar feeling with TWINE. ALthough I liked it, it didn't rock my world like DAD did.

[Tarl_Cabot]

"After watching DAD (this was months after it had been released and I was back in the US, it was still showing at a small theater in my neighborhood), I came away feeling incredibly HOSTILE to the entire Hollywood film community and wanted to put out a contract on every single person involved with it, or at least threaten several lawsuits for severe injuries inflicted on my brain."-Jaelle

Yes I was horrified too.It had such a promising start and turned into garbage, practically shaming me for having such enthusiasm for this series.I felt like I didn't care if I ever saw a new Bond movie again. It was like being a priest who lost his faith in god...Bond 21 better rock the $#@*&! planet!

[johnisnumberone]

TWINE: Excellent: as every bond film should be.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

twine did rock my world, i hope bond 21 rocks my world as well but i am not holding my breath on that

[DLibrasnow]

The article on the CBN main page concerning the online recruitment effort by MI6 illustrates my point exactly.
Bond is a preposterous, fantasy figure and as such the attempts by the Brosnan crew to turn him into a touchy feely regular Joe are completely ill advised and just downright laughable. The two extremes don't gel and instead of evoking any sympathy all TWINE does is evoke my gag reflex.

[Dr.Carl Mortner]

"After watching DAD (this was months after it had been released and I was back in the US, it was still showing at a small theater in my neighborhood), I came away feeling incredibly HOSTILE to the entire Hollywood film community and wanted to put out a contract on every single person involved with it, or at least threaten several lawsuits for severe injuries inflicted on my brain."

I'm the opposite - I find myself liking DAD more and more every time I watch it, while I found myself making the journey from mere indifference to outright hatred every time I watched TWINE. Just think of DAD as a modern-day Moonraker and you'll have a far more enjoyable experience.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Dr.Carl Mortner
while I found myself making the journey from mere indifference to outright hatred every time I watched TWINE.

You mean you saw TWINE more than once Dr. Mortner? What are you a glutton for punishment?

[Jaelle]

Originally posted by Dr.Carl Mortner
"After watching DAD (this was months after it had been released and I was back in the US, it was still showing at a small theater in my neighborhood), I came away feeling incredibly HOSTILE to the entire Hollywood film community and wanted to put out a contract on every single person involved with it, or at least threaten several lawsuits for severe injuries inflicted on my brain."
I'm the opposite - I find myself liking DAD more and more every time I watch it, while I found myself making the journey from mere indifference to outright hatred every time I watched TWINE. Just think of DAD as a modern-day Moonraker and you'll have a far more enjoyable experience.

Yeah but I've seen it twice now (the second time was under duress). Same response.

[Turn]

I saw TWINE twice in the theater, but haven't watched it in its entirety since I've owned the DVD, just a few select scenes, mostly early on. I probably should see it again, though, to see if my opinion's changed as I lean toward really disliking it.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Turn
I probably should see it again, though, to see if my opinion's changed as I lean toward really disliking it.

You are a brave man Turn...

[BONDFINESSE 007]

i am going to bring u around snowie...if its the last thing i ever do

[DLibrasnow]

It'll never happen.....TWINE is a movie I disliked so much the first time I saw it I have been unable to bring myself to watch it a second time!

[Dr.Carl Mortner]

"You mean you saw TWINE more than once Dr. Mortner? What are you a glutton for punishment?"

I've seen TWINE more than I care to admit (a personal record of FOUR TIMES in the theatre and countless times on video) in an effort to like it. Hey -- it's Bond; we only get one of these things once every two or three years if we're lucky and, as usual, I wanted to enjoy it all I could.

It doesn't help that TWINE was a favorite of an ex-girlfriend. I know, I should be grateful that I had a girlfriend who enjoyed watching James Bond movies at all;P...

[Kristian]

Everything wrong with TWINE can be summed up in two words: Denise Richards.

Sorry all you Denise "Seriously I am a Nuclear physicist" Richards lovers out there (Bondfinessee007, Iceberg, Brendan007), I really respect your opinion, but your girl stank up the room and almost ruined a good film.

[Pussfeller]

Denise Richards was probably my least favorite part of TWINE. A woman can have it going on and still ruin a film. If all we want is a perfect figure, they might as well cast pørn stars or supermodels.

I prefer that they cast actresses or, failing that, have the woman say nothing at all (and that would make for a very dull 2+ hours). It's always a shame when a terrible actor tries to act. It puts a damper on the whole movie, as it did to profound effect with TWINE.

So I'm afraid that I must emphatically disagree with BONDFINESSE, Brendan007, et al, in my feeling that Denise Richards was as harmful to TWINE as Sophie Marceau's embarassing overacting or Pierce Brosnan's half-assing it through most of the film.

[Jaelle]

Originally posted by Pussfeller
So I'm afraid that I must emphatically disagree with BONDFINESSE, Brendan007, et al, in my feeling that Denise Richards was as harmful to TWINE as Sophie Marceau's embarassing overacting or Pierce Brosnan's half-assing it through most of the film.

FINALLY! Someone else thinks that Marceau's performance in TWINE was embarrassing. Thank you! The only reason some of those scenes between Pierce and Sophie work for me (and only minimally) is because of *Pierce*, not her.

[Ed King]

Originally posted by Jaelle


FINALLY!  Someone else thinks that Marceau's performance in TWINE was embarrassing.  Thank you!  The only reason some of those scenes between Pierce and Sophie work for me (and only minimally) is because of *Pierce*, not her.

Sophie is much better than Pierce... well, that's not saying too much, but she did a great job.

P.S.: Feliz dia da independ

[Jaelle]

[quote]Originally posted by Ed King
Sophie is much better than Pierce... well, that's not saying too much, but she did a great job.[/quote]

She's definitely better than Denise and Halle.

[quote]P.S.: Feliz dia da independ

[BONDFINESSE 007]

Originally posted by Jaelle


She's definitely better than Denise and Halle.  



Igualmente!  

definitely NOT better than denise:)

[Tarl_Cabot]

Someone else thinks that Marceau's performance in TWINE was embarrassing."-Jaelle

I was all over her after 'Braveheart' and 'Lost and found' but she sucked in TWINE. Denise(so sexy and sassy in Wild things) sucked, the hot italian bird from 'Il Postino' had nothing to do...very dissapointing use of three very striking women.And Pierce was a girly man in that one("Elektra this is a game I can't afford to play" WTF??? I thought Bond had huevos and loved to gamble and take chances, confront adversaries)...They hired Michael Apted because he makes chick flicks that snooty critics like...TWINE will be on the lifetime chanel soon I have no doubt!