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[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive
You're right. That's what's the scary thing. This is the first time there hasn't been a clear cut candidate for the part since 69. And you know what then happened. That's why I think it's good to discuss potential candidates so fans will know what to expect and perhaps give support to the right actor for the role.

Thanks !! This of course lead back to the question of what type of film Bond 21 will be. It's not just Brosnan Legacy (that is all ready a subject ) . But with no clear candidate , the future direction of the franchise hangs in the balance. If Bond 21 is a flop , keep in mind it's now the established meal ticket of not just EON/The Broccoli's . But of MGM , also if the propose sale of MGM goes through , it will be cause of the revenue that Bond 21 can generate .

[BONDFINESSE 007]

PLEASE GOD NO DOMINIC WEST, HE IS TO UGLY, good lord he put the u in ugly lol

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
PLEASE GOD NO DOMINIC WEST, HE IS TO UGLY, good lord he put the u in ugly lol

And of course you have seen many of his films, n'est pas?

[BONDFINESSE 007]

Originally posted by crashdrive

And of course you have seen many of his films, n'est pas?

AND HIS FILMS ARE GOING TO MAKE UP FOR HIS UGLYNESS HOW????

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
AND HIS FILMS ARE GOING TO MAKE UP FOR HIS UGLYNESS HOW????

Well, it would give more weight to your arguments. There's a difference between looking at a picture and seeing someone move and act. If you show a picture of Clive Owen, I don't think anyone would like him as Bond, but show someone one of his BMW Films (preferably 'Ticker') and I think a lot more people would like the idea. Also, saying someone is ugly or handsome is purely subjective.

I'm curious whether or not you have a favorite for the next Bond and why you think that choice would be better.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

where west is concerned i dont care how he moves or acts, he is to ugly to be james bond. and right now no one i can think of can do justice to james bond, if i had my way brosnan would stay 50 and do james bond for the next 12, but after he quits after these next two we will just have to see what crawls out of the woodwork

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
(west) is to ugly to be james bond. right now no one i can think of can do justice to james bond. we will just have to see what crawls out of the woodwork

Unfortunately, Brosnan will probably make one more Bond film and call it a day. He already thinks he's getting too old for the part (especially after his injury during the shooting of 'Die Another Day') and he has made comments he doesn't want to end up like Moore.

That gives EON three years to find a suitable replacement. Remember that Brosnan was ready to go in 86 (nine years before he got his licence to kill), Dalton was offered the role 18(!) years before he eventually played Bond in 87's 'The Living Daylights' and Moore was offered the role in 62 (he accepted the part eleven years later in 1973). That's nine years, eightteen years, eleven years, three (!) years. I don't know about you, but I'm starting to get worried that the actor who (in your words) 'can do the part justice' won't crawl out of the woodwork.

Although West is definately not Brosnan, you may find that he's not a bad choice. Every Bond actor is different from his predecessor. West has the right height, look, decent and experience to become an important candidate.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

Originally posted by crashdrive

Unfortunately, Brosnan will probably make one more Bond film and call it a day. He already thinks he's getting too old for the part (especially after his injury during the shooting of 'Die Another Day') and he has made comments he doesn't want to end up like Moore.  

That gives EON three years to find a suitable replacement. Remember that Brosnan was ready to go in 86 (nine years before he got his licence to kill), Dalton was offered the role 18(!) years before he eventually played Bond in 87's 'The Living Daylights' and Moore was offered the role in 62 (he accepted the part eleven years later in 1973). That's nine years, eightteen years, eleven years, three (!) years. I don't know about you, but I'm starting to get worried that the actor who (in your words) 'can do the part justice' won't crawl out of the woodwork.

Although West is definately not Brosnan, you may find that he's not a bad choice. Every Bond actor is different from his predecessor. West has the right height, look, decent and experience to become an important candidate.

well i dont think brosnan doing 22 will be doing a roger moore, because brosnan does not look old now, and west does not have the look, and owen is half bald now and we cant have a bald bond, although u could get him a rug >if i had to choose now i would go with jackman, and hope like hell it worked out

[BONDFINESSE 007]

although owen is ugly to, damn where are all the nice looking brosnan types

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
although owen is ugly to, damn where are all the nice looking brosnan types

Haha, I know. I guess Jackman is one of the few candidates who is handsome yet not a total wuss

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive

Haha, I know. I guess Jackman is one of the few candidates who is handsome yet not a total wuss

If Dominic West and many of the other candidates are "Wusses" , why in the name of god should they be considered for Bond. That's the last thing the franchises needs is a "Wuss".

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
If Dominic West and many of the other candidates are "Wusses" , why in the name of god should they be considered for Bond. That's the last thing the franchises needs is a "Wuss".

I didn't mean the other Bond candidates but many pretty-boy actors working in Hollywood today. Like Brosnan, Jackman is a handsome guy who is also a very talented actor. You don't think I would disregard my other Bond choices, just because Jackman looks better? I'm still cheering for West.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive

I didn't mean the other Bond candidates but many pretty-boy actors working in Hollywood today. Like Brosnan, Jackman is a handsome guy who is also a very talented actor. You don't think I would disregard my other Bond choices, just because Jackman looks better? I'm still cheering for West.

Out side of West and Jackman , with the possilbe exception of Northam . Who else is a serious canididate . You reason the level of macbre with Hugh Grant.

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
Out side of West and Jackman , with the possilbe excection of Northam . Who else is a serious canididate .

1. Matthew Marsden ('Coronation Street', 'Shiner' & 'Black Hawk Down')
2. Nathaniel Parker ('Hamlet', 'The Bodyguard' & 'Inspector Lynley Mysteries')
3. Gerard Butler ('Reign of Fire', 'Timeline' & 'Lara Croft and the Cradle of Life')
4. Jack Davenport ('The Talented Mr. Ripley', 'Fierce Creatures' & 'Pirates of the Caribbean')
5. Edward Atterton ('Carolina', 'Children of the Dune' & 'The Man in the Iron Mask')
6. Ioan Gruffudd ('Hornblower', '102 Dalmatians' & 'Black Hawk Down')
7. Colin Wells (left) ('Titus', 'CI5: New Professionals' & "Crossroads")
8. Clive Owen ('The Bourne Identity', 'Gosford Park' & 'Croupier')
9. James Purefoy ('A Knights Tale', 'Resident Evil' & 'Maybe Baby')
10. None of the above (insert actor you think would be better)

[kevrichardson]

Since Brosnan is at least good for one more Bond . The all agreed Bond 21 . We will not have to worry about this for a few years. Unless something foolish happens .

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
Since Brosnan is at least good for one more Bond . The all agreed Bond 21 . We will not have to worry about this for a few years. Unless something foolish happens .

I doubt it. Still I'm surprised EON hasn't approached the actor who will take over when Brosnan steps down. I have a feeling though Jackman will be Bond number six. Unless films like 'Van Helsing' will launch him into stardom. I guess Northam, West or perhaps even Owen will be the possible replacements.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive

I doubt it. Still I'm surprised EON hasn't approached the actor who will take over when Brosnan steps down. I have a feeling though Jackman will be Bond number six. Unless films like 'Van Helsing' will launch him into stardom. I guess Northam, West or perhaps even Owen will be the possible replacements.

According to Barabra Broccoli , the subject of succession is taboo . I feel that since this will be the real test of the regime (Wilson/Broccoli) and Brosnan feels comfortible in the role (physically and dramatically) . No real rush to be a hunt for a replacement. I believe that it will come during Bond 21 , as all parties involved . MGM , EON , Brosnan will have a say in what kind of film Bond 21 is , and what direction the franchise will head in for the future. Bond 21 in fact is the "TSWLM" of the 21st century . It's a make or break film. There was enough interest in Bond 20 . Due to the 40th annver.

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
Bond 21 in fact is the "TSWLM" of the 21st century . It's a make or break film. There was enough interest in Bond 20 . Due to the 40th annver.

How is Bond 21 any different from 'TWINE'? 'TSWLM' was a make-or-break film, because Broccoli had to prove he could produce a successfull Bond film without Harry Saltzman. 'GoldenEye' was definately a make-or-break film for obvious reason. 'Bond 21' however will be just another Bond film. After the succes of 'DAD' I think EON has more room to experiment. Also, since it will probably be Brosnan's last, I think they would make special arrangements to make '21' special. 'Bond 22' will be a make or break film, because the new Bond actor has to prove he can carry on the legacy. I think Dominic West is up for the task.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive

How is Bond 21 any different from 'TWINE'? 'TSWLM' was a make-or-break film, because Broccoli had to prove he could produce a successfull Bond film without Harry Saltzman. 'GoldenEye' was definately a make-or-break film for obvious reason. 'Bond 21' however will be just another Bond film. After the success of 'DAD' I think EON has more room to experiment. Also, since it will probably be Brosnan's last, I think they would make special arrangements to make '21' special. 'Bond 22' will be a make or break film, because the new Bond actor has to prove he can carry on the legacy. I think Dominic West is up for the task.

Once again we agree to disagree . "TWINE was a character driven story. A experiment like "OHMSS" , remember Bond exposes his "humanity" toward Elektra King. It was the end of the world Bond like "TSWLM" .

[crashdrive]

Still I think it's impossible what direction EON will go in the future. They constantly experiment ('OHMSS', 'TLD', 'TWINE'), but there is no obvious pattern. All bets are off.

[M_Balje]

Originally posted by crashdrive
Still I think it's impossible what direction EON will go in the future. They constantly experiment ('OHMSS', 'TLD', 'TWINE'), but there is no obvious pattern. All bets are off.

Than is Die Another Day an experiment to.
And why.
As you look to the movie you see diferent things about the old movies.
The Beginning in dad it is dark and it remember or look like me to The living daylights style.

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by M_Balje
Than is Die Another Day an experiment to.

I think so. Especially the opening sequence/ credits. But you could say every Bond is an experiment. That means the next will not be an exception.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive

I think so. Especially the opening sequence/ credits. But you could say every Bond is an experiment. That means the next will not be an exception.

I agree with you on this . DAD was a experiment . It has taken Bond places that he had never been . That was the whole purpose of the capture/torture in North Korea. Crashdive , i just wonder how different form "DAD" Bond 21 will be . With MGM saying that it will be long the same lines ?

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
i just wonder how different form "DAD" Bond 21 will be . With MGM saying that it will be long the same lines ?

Well, I think it's save to say every Bond movie will be reminiscent to 'DAD', or any other Bond film for that matter. Don't expect any revolutionary changes. The Bond franchise will move along the same path for years to come. There may be some small surprises here and there, but I doubt we can predict these little twists and turns. It all depends on the storyline.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive

Well, I think it's safe to say every Bond movie will be reminiscent to 'DAD', or any other Bond film for that matter. Don't expect any revolutionary changes. The Bond franchise will move along the same path for years to come. There may be some small surprises here and there, but I doubt we can predict these little twists and turns. It all depends on the storyline.

Bond 21 for arguement sake will follow the pattern establish by "TSWLM" . That film has been the format for Bond since 1977 . Not "Goldfinger" , with "FYEO" and "LTK" falling outside the box . You felt that Bond 21 will be a experiment . Along what lines , since most feel that anything close to Fleming (i.e. a "FRWL" style film) is out of the question . And of course my pet project of "Casino Royale" has the chance of a snow ball in hell . So what is left but another re-make of "TSLWM" . If the franchise will continue to move on the same path . It will start to suffer form a slow death .

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
If the franchise will continue to move on the same path . It will start to suffer form a slow death .

I don't think this is true. Although Bond has never been known for giving us surprises, I think it's save to say they have always given us quality. I have no idea why so many people feel 'TSWLM' established a format, since it was obviously a 'YOLT' remake (the original villain was Blofeld, but was changed to Stromberg) only with water as the general theme instead of Japan. I think films who don't fit this format like 'FYEO' & 'LTK' could happen again. But there's no way of predicting when or where. There is no proof based on past precedence. Pure fan speculation.
As for your 'FRWL' comment, that movie was an action spectacular in the 60s. Times have changed. People still want an action spectacular, but they are spoiled, so EON has to find other ways of satisfying their needs. A 'FRWL' won't happen, since the movie now comes across very differently than was originally intended 40 years ago.

If you want to continue this discussion, would you please open a new thread for it, since (again) we're getting off-topic.

[kevrichardson]

That kind of thinking would lead your "Employers" (just joking) too consider the Taboo or forbidden "Casino Royale" . A "FRWL" style Bond (FYEO , OHMSS fall in to this ) I feel that after "TWINE" ( my favorite Brosnan Bond) that the general feel was back to a "TSWLM/MR/YOLT" type of film i.e. throw in the kitchen sink approach. Look i am happy that DAD did as well if not better than excepted. It insures MGM financial health , EON's and that Bond 21 is a go. It's just a question of what's next and how will Brosnan respond . How does it "FRWL" come as cross differently today than 40 years ago? The Cold War is not dead just the players!!! No more Russians , now middle eastern terrorist and the like . No more supra national criminals , just rich oil shieks bend on chaos . 60's action thriller ? Why then "Saving Private Ryan" which was just a re-hash of 40's , 50's WW2 movies with John Wayne. The problem with people (especilly since young are a little younger than i , no harm in may statement) is that i is believed that "FRWL" style film would not hold the audiences attention . People watch qualilty . I am assuming you find "FRWL" tough going? like "Thunderball" it's a great Bond , in fact it has the best acting and cast , direction in the series. The opening title by Robert Brownjohn established the Dancing girl stuff of Maurice Binder . Plus it has the Best Barry title music opening until "OHMSS" . You should remind your "Employers(EON) of this!!!!

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
That kind of thinking would lead ....

I'm not going to reply to this message here. I'd suggest you open a new thread. I just hate going off-topic again.

p.s. I think 'From Russia With Love' is the best Bond film after 'Goldfinger'.

You have asked me in another thread why all of a sudden Hugh Jackman is my choice to replace Brosnan and not Dominic West.

Having just seen 'A Midsummers Night Dream' I think it would be risky if West were to be cast. Although I think he's as qualified an actor as purist-favorite Clive Owen, I think a lot of people would say that West isn't no where near as handsome as Brosnan. Still, I'm confident people would love West after they see him in a 'BMW/The Hire' type of (short) film. I haven't seen 'Chicago' yet, but I will next wednesday. Maybe after that showing, I'll change my mind. But since he has an American accent in that film, I think the real test whether or not West is qualified for the part is 'Mona Lisa Smile' coming this year.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive

I'm not going to reply to this message here. I'd suggest you open a new thread. I just hate going off-topic again.
p.s. I think 'From Russia With Love' is the best Bond film after 'Goldfinger'.
You have asked me in another thread why all of a sudden Hugh Jackman is my choice to replace Brosnan and not Dominic West.
Having just seen 'A Midsummers Night Dream' I think it would be risky if West were to be cast. Although I think he's as qualified an actor as purist-favorite Clive Owen, I think a lot of people would say that West isn't no where near as handsome as Brosnan. Still, I'm confident people would love West after they see him in a 'BMW/The Hire' type of (short) film. I haven't seen 'Chicago' yet, but I will next wednesday. Maybe after that showing, I'll change my mind. But since he has an American accent in that film, I think the real test whether or not West is qualified for the part is 'Mona Lisa Smile' coming this year.

We will have to see what will happen over the next 5 years. Since Brosnan will do Bond 21. What if "VanHesling" takes off as you and many other claim . How would this effect Jackman as a possible replacemnt for Brosnan. Glad you like "FRWL" far superior to Goldfinger . It is strange that even Cubby Broccoli felt that it was the best and his favorite Bond. Strange since it was the one film that the series move away from. OHMSS was a similar picture . Does not fit the box of the formula . "Chicago" is not as good as some have claimed . Save your money and wait for DVD if you can . Look every one haas a shot at Brosnan's replacement . So all viable candidates need not worry. Even Hugh Grant . This will not change so long as Bond is played a British actor . What about the Benson nightmare any thoughts ?

[Loomis]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
What about the Benson nightmare any thoughts ?  

Yeah, but there's already a couple of Benson threads in which to discuss them.