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[k13oharts]

Hmmm... after my post no one could find anyone else to blame.
Yeah, blame/curse me for that.

Anyways, what about a return to Fleming's Bond.
The James Bond he saw when he was writing his novels?
Apart from the commissioned impression that Fleming asked for here's
Hoagy Carmichael, the legendary American singer/songwriter whom Fleming said looked like Bond.

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*Image taken from http://www.hoagy.com/

For more information on Hoagy Carmichael:
Wikipedia Article: Hoagy Carmichael
Hoagy Carmichael on RedHotJazz.com
Official Site
The Hoagy Carmichael Room, Archives of Traditional Music, Indiana University

The questions:
Are there any British actors who looks like Hoagy Carmichael?
Would you want someone who looks like Hoagy Carmichael?

Edited by k13oharts, 28 July 2005 - 12:04 PM.

[SecretAgentFan]

Well... no.

[Leon]

In CR Vesper says he reminds her slightly of charmichael, not that he looks just like him.

[k13oharts]

Just Vesper?
I'm sure there are quite a few more mention of him in Fleming's books.

[Leon]

I don't think so, that's the only time it's mentionned. Vesper mentions that he has something of Hoagy Charmichael about his face, later he's looking in the mirror thinking he looks nothing like him.

[bryonalston]

Even though it would be a good homage to Fleming, I would say no. This was over 50 years ago, and I suppose a Hoagy Carmichael-esque appearance was the standard appearance for spies back then, especially since he kind of looks like 1940's detectives and pulp heroes. Times have changed, and so should James Bond's appearance.

[KB 007]

Instead of arguing about that, why don't we just go by Fleming's drawing of Bond?

[Seannery]

Well i've made it to post number 2000. So i'll have to use that magical threshold to good effect. So i'll say to Michael and Babs please carefully and wisely pick the right actor for 007. Give it to the natural Bond--Adrian Paul. Or Gerald Butler. James Purefoy. Hugh Jackman. Jeremy Northem. Daniel Craig. Julian McMahon. BUT please don't let it be Goran or any of his 3 cohorts on the supposed final four list. Especially NOT Goran or Alex Stewart--if any one on that weak list make it Alex O'Lachlan. But better yet make it none of them and pick Adrian Paul or one of the other actors named above. Or hell before that weak final four with Goran--i'd even take Clive Owen though he's far from my favorite to be Bond. Or Ioan Gruffudd. Hugh Grant. Jack Davenport. Rufus Sewell. Jason Isaacs. And a number of other Brits or Australians who would be so naturally better for Bond than the four that the Daily Mirror claims you guys are looking at. So please Michael and Babs don't let us down--lets have no Goran as Bond. You can do so much better and in the end I have the faith that you will do so. And by the way if you can tell us who will be Bond soon--that would be nice.

[ACE]

MGW: "Alright, Seannery. Adrian Paul it is then!"

BB: "We were gonna get Pierce back but then Mike read your 2000th post, deep-sixed our Barnd of reccud, and based solely on your recommendation, Seannery, we getting Adrian. His darcter says we can't have him for more than 3 films though. His age, y'see. And we can't start til after he's finished Higlander 5 - There Can Be Only One, Again"

MGW: "Gee, Barbara, izat a fact? So he'll be like, 49, before he does his first one?"

[Seannery]

MGW: "Alright, Seannery. Adrian Paul it is then!"

BB: "We were gonna get Pierce back but then Mike read your 2000th post, deep-sixed our Barnd of reccud, and based solely on your recommendation, Seannery, we getting Adrian. His darcter says we can't have him for more than 3 films though. His age, y'see. And we can't start til after he's finished Higlander 5 - There Can Be Only One, Again"

MGW: "Gee, Barbara, izat a fact? So he'll be like, 49, before he does his first one?"

ACE, ACE, ACE. Well Highlander 5 will be done before CR starts. And Babs at 46 Adrian Paul looking not even 35 can do 3 Bonds easily and almost certainly 4. May be even 5. But 4 is more than enough for such a well cast Bond--not many of those around as we know.

And listen to these age facts--found a website a while back that get stars birth certificates and their REAL ages. Roger and Sean were telling the truth about their ages with Roger born in 1927 and Sean 1930. The other 3 Bonds were lying--George was really born in 1933 not 1939, Timothy born in 1944 not 1946 and Pierce born in 1951 not 1953.

So Sean was 32 starting Bond, George actually 36, Roger 46, Timothy 43 and Pierce 44. So since Roger all the new Bond have been youthful looking well into their 40's actors in which makes Adrian Paul, James Purefoy, Clive Owen, Jeremy Northem, Jason Isaacs all fit perfectly into the Bondian pattern.

Also Lazenby was actually 36! So he doesn't back up the young Bond theory. Only Sean was semi-young at 32 and as we all know a young lion like Connery is an extremely rare thing.

[ACE]

Seannery, I apologize. I was just pulling your chain in hopefully a fun way.

Look, we all have our favoured choices for Bond #6 but most of us hope Pierce will come back, if only for CR.

My choice for the next Bond has been ridiculed from here to Far, Far Away but I accept that. The thoughts of the great often puzzle more conventional thinkers.

I think Adrian Paul is a very likely candidate to be the next James Bond.

He is British yet known to US audiences. He is handsome in a rugged, very Connery-esque way. He is known but not a megastar so he will sign inexpensively to series. He does not look his age. He could handle the physciality of the role and the sophistication of the part. He has a certain panache and his voice works (unlike Goran who we both do not want).

He's like Julian McMahon - a non-American TV actor who has profile and wants to do the role of Bond.

Adrian Paul IS James Bond 007 in
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
(To the tune of YOLT - apologies to Leslie Bricusse)

There can be only one
Or so it seems
One role for yourself
And one for your dreams

You drift through the years,
Your agent seems tame,
Till one role appears
And Bond is its name.

And Bond is a handful
You reckon you'll take on,
Don't think of Bill Panzer
He won't cancel
When you've gone.

This role is for you,
Highlander be gone.
Head of the Bond queue
There can be only one.

[Seannery]

Seannery, I apologize. I was just pulling your chain in hopefully a fun way.

Look, we all have our favoured choices for Bond #6 but most of us hope Pierce will come back, if only for CR.

My choice for the next Bond has been ridiculed from here to Far, Far Away but I accept that. The thoughts of the great often puzzle more conventional thinkers.

I think Adrian Paul is a very likely candidate to be the next James Bond.

He is British yet known to US audiences. He is handsome in a rugged, very Connery-esque way. He is known but not a megastar so he will sign inexpensively to series. He does not look his age. He could handle the physciality of the role and the sophistication of the part. He has a certain panache and his voice works (unlike Goran who we both do not want).

He's like Julian McMahon - a non-American TV actor who has profile and wants to do the role of Bond.

Adrian Paul IS James Bond 007 in
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
(To the tune of YOLT - apologies to Leslie Bricusse)

There can be only one
Or so it seems
One role for yourself
And one for your dreams

You drift through the years,
Your agent seems tame,
Till one role appears
And Bond is its name.

And Bond is a handful
You reckon you'll take on,
Don't think of Bill Panzer
He won't cancel
When you've gone.

This role is for you,
Highlander be gone.
Head of the Bond queue
There can be only one.

Cheers ACE--very clever! Nice Bill Panzer reference! In the end who knows who will end up being Bond--I have no idea. It's all guesswork at this point. There is an universe of English accented actors who could be it. We do agree that bringing back Pierce would be fine. Is it possible? Maybe. Who knows. I'll refer to Socrates who said something like the more I know, the less I know I know--or words to that effect.

[Forever007]

Why would EON sign someone so close to Brosnan's age??? Adrian Paul WOULD have made a great James Bond but will never get that chance.

[Seannery]

[quote name='Forever007' date='31 July 2005 - 15:07']Why would EON sign someone so close to Brosnan's age???

[ACE]

Seannery, your ages are wrong as was that other website.

ACE

[Seannery]

Seannery, your ages are wrong as was that other website.

ACE

Which ones? I think they are correct. Connery and Moore are always seen as 1930 and 1927 respectively. For Brosnan i've seen a lot of sources say 1951 instead of 1953 and a recent taping around Pierce's last birthday had his wife and son let it slip out yes Dad is 54. And for Dalton i've seen a lot of sources say 1944 instead of 1946 also. Only the Lazenby date of 1933 did I not see any backup of--so that maybe the one shaky one. Maybe.

[Grubozaboyschikov]

I think Fleming meant that Bond looked like a young Charmichael. Like this: http://www.redhotjazz.com/hoagy.jpg ?

If they indeed plan to make Bond younger, then what about this actor:
http://hayden-fan.narod.ru/hayden_logo.jpg

From Anakin to Bond, eh?

Edited by Grubozaboyschikov, 01 August 2005 - 05:34 AM.

[bryonalston]

Hoagy Carmichael looks like a rat, and Hayden Christensen is a crappy actor. I know that Fleming had a certain description, but he also didn't condone the casting of Connery (how some people are against the possible casting of Visnjic) and look how great Connery turned out. I think Adrian Paul will start to age in the next few years, as opposed to Goran, who is in his early 30's.

[Loeffelholz]

I have to admit sensing a certain momentum on Visnjic's part, and thus envision a small and highly-specialized cottage industry springing up:

Suggested ad in "VARIETY": Dialect coach wanted to turn Croatian-American accent into British accent (preferably with a slight Scottish influence). Must be 100 percent convincing; no room for error. Must be willing to work 'round the clock. Money* no object.

Also: Plastic surgeon needed to make slightly Slavic nose look more British. See above* for pricing.

Edited by Loeffelholz, 01 August 2005 - 06:11 AM.

[Stephenson]

Well, I've been out of the loop for a well but it doesn't seem as if anything really new has happened

I was checking out the "Next Bond Poll" site that is mentioned on the front page and saw for the first time Richard Armitage. IMO this guy looks like he would be great. Did anyone see "North and South"? It sounds like the guy can act. And at 34 he would be a great age!

[Seannery]

Well, I've been out of the loop for a well but it doesn't seem as if anything really new has happened 

I was checking out the "Next Bond Poll" site that is mentioned on the front page and saw for the first time Richard Armitage. IMO this guy looks like he would be great. Did anyone see "North and South"? It sounds like the guy can act. And at 34 he would be a great age!

Welcome back--he does look promising BUT i'd have to see him act yet.

[Stephenson]

Thanks!

I read some reviews for North and South and him in particular and he seems like he's got the goods.

http://www.bbc.tv/dr...est_actor.shtml

Scroll to the bottom of the page to read his reviews

Edited by Stephenson, 01 August 2005 - 01:57 PM.

[Forever007]

It does rather suck though Seannery, Paul would have been a great Bond instead of Pierce. Could you imagine Goldeneye with Adrian Paul in the role! I'll bet he would have bested Pierce's numbers. At even a youthful 46 years old he's probably out of the race. Then again you just never know.

[Seannery]

[quote name='Forever007' date='1 August 2005 - 14:57']It does rather suck though Seannery, Paul would have been a great Bond instead of Pierce.

[Forever007]

Do you think that EON would NOT consider Paul due to his striking similar looks to Connery? They would probably want to avoid comparisons and not look as if they are seeking a clone. Maybe someone should get Connery's DNA and have him cloned so we can have another great Bond 32 years from now!

Edited by Forever007, 01 August 2005 - 02:51 PM.

[Seannery]

[quote name='Forever007' date='1 August 2005 - 15:51']Do you think that EON would NOT consider Paul due to his striking similar looks to Connery?

[Skudor]

[quote name='Seannery' date='1 August 2005 - 16:01'][quote name='Forever007' date='1 August 2005 - 15:51']Do you think that EON would NOT consider Paul due to his striking similar looks to Connery?

[Daltonfan]

My pick for a Connery lookalike is Jonathan Wrather. Look at the second picture in this article . According to imdb he was born in 1970. He went to RADA but all of his screen appearances seem to be ...um... tv soaps.

[Loeffelholz]

Has anybody heard anything about the possibility of James Purefoy being cast?

[Seannery]

Has anybody heard anything about the possibility of James Purefoy being cast?

You hear whispers here and there--BUT nothing prominent about Purefoy. That doesn't mean anything since he could always possibly be one of the suprises Eon has under wraps and end up being the next Bond. It wouldn't suprise me at all. He would be a very good Bond--way better than any of the phony final four.