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[solitaire]

Here's my 2 cents,for what it's worth. I really enjoyed DAD in spite of it's numerous flaws (lack of plot,bad editing,preposterous dialogue,awful CGI,and an invisible car only Woner Woman could pull off;)). In fact,if pressed,I could'nt really explain what DAD was about:confused: but I left the theatre on an adreniline high,go figure. I would say I enjoyed it more than any other Bond film in years. However I have a friend who saw it and fell asleep,she would wake up when something was exploding (every 15 minutes). No word on whether she dreamed of squirrels though,i'll be sure to ask;)

[Blue Eyes]

Please do. Maybe her brain has kidnapped those squirrels.

Mind you, leaving on an adreniline high isn't such a bad thing. I know of people who pay good money for that.

[DLibrasnow]

Okay, I think we need a new society inside CBn...
I propose a Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Squirrels...

[zencat]

So I saw DAD again today and, I don't know, I just LOVE this movie! I'm just as gity as I was opening night. It really is one of my favorite Bond films. Maybe I am one of those hopless squirrel lovers, but...ignorance is bliss. Give me more Bond films like DAD, and more squirrels.

BTW: Thanks for the Christmas card, Xen.

[DLibrasnow]

I really think that DAD stands out as one of the very best Bond movies, and this is one of the best threads on CBn discussing the movie...

[B5Erik2]

I think DAD stands out as one of the most schizophrenic and flawed Bond movies. It's an exciting ride, but once you start thinking about it it is one of the easiest Bond movies to pick apart and find the flaws.

[DLibrasnow]

Yes, but what about the squirrels??

[JimmyBond]

For my two cents, I dont care what Red Dawn says, the original post said anyone who likes DAD is retarded. Thats what I took away from it, and that offends me, joking or not.

Now, I loved DAD, it was the most all around entertaining Bond film (in my eyes). Not everyone thought so, but so what? I only know what I like, and I really liked DAD.

[Dmitri Mishkin]

Originally posted by Red Widow Dawn
It seems to me...that the types of people who thought DAD was the best Bond movie ever...are the types that laugh with delight when they see squirrels outside their windows.

Not to be cruel or anything...but it seems that every time a new Bond movie rolls around, there's that same group of people that latches onto it merely because it's new.  The frivolous type, I imagine.

Comments?  Flames? :cool:

Nope, I liked DAD because it was enjoyable, fun and entertaining for me. Sorry you didn't see it my way.

And btw, generalizing across a broad scope of people is a usually a bad idea. I'm not lecturing, just trying to let you know.

[Dr Niles Crane]

I thought the new Bond was a bit like life - lots of really stupid bits, some people you fancy and some you reckon need to have a chandelier dropped on their heads, and things unexpectedly blowing up in your face. And just like life at the time you have to go with the flow and enjoy it. There is plenty of time of analyse the heck out of it later over a nice bottle of chardonnay and some good friends.

[White Persian]

Whew, what a fascinating thread.

If I can put in a few cents worth, seeing each new Bond film is, for a Bond fan, an experience that can never quite be recaptured. We come to it with high hopes and expectations, and the adrenalin starts pumping when that white dot marches across the screen. To some extent the excitement of the long awaited experience disarms critical faculties. We lap up each new surprise or thrill. We, myself included, do experience an unsophisticated delight that is, perhaps, not unlike gawping at gambolling squirrels.

Subsequent viewings can never recapture the initial experience. Sometimes we have our first impression confirmed, often we modify it.
Perhaps none of us will really be able to place DAD in context vis a vis the other films in the series until the novelty wears off - perhaps not until the next film appears.

I know my own judgement on the best and worse films in the Bond canon varies from time to time. Films I once thought the world of, like Goldfinger or Thunderball, I've gone off, perhaps through simply seeing them so often in too short an interval that I've O'Ded on them.

It's a little like "love at first sight", seeing a new Bond film. We're immediately kind of infatuated. Sometimes an abiding love results, sometimes we begin to perceive flaws that eventually turn us off. Sometimes we simply become jaded and bored through spending too much time with it.

I don't think it's a measure of shallow critical faculties for some of us to come out of the theatre saying DAD is the best of the Bond films. It simply reflects the fact that DAD has provided an exciting, thrilling and satisfying cinematic experience that seems, at the time, to eclipse the experience of seeing previous entries in the series. Especially if we've seen some of the early ones only on the small screen.

Time may confirm or modify our initial enthusiasm. But I think it'd be a shame to criticize or belittle that initial buzz just because we might not share it.

Here endeth the lesson.

[iceberg]

Hey, I was just happy the flippin movie finally came out. After an interminable amount of waiting and fretting and posting and speculating and arguing and cajoling and generally wondering who the traitor was/what Icarus was/is Jinx-Miranda good or bad/what type of hair gel Graves uses to keep his hair in-place during the fencing scenes in the trailer, DAD was finally released and I went to see it, and, overall, I loved it. Not as much as TWINE, but I still left the theatre on an adrenalin high and so did the rest of the group I was with (with the exception of the one girl who expressed distaste at PB's half-century old bare chest. We subsequently hog-tied, gagged, and tossed her into the baggage compartment of a freighter bound for Sicily. She hasn't written yet, and I am miffed, but that is another story.)

In the end, I was entertained, my intelligence (such as it is) wasn't insulted too much, and the sight of Halle Berry falling over in a backward dive off a cliff alone was worth the price of admission. Then again, it doesn't take much to make me happy.

Bottom line: DAD is DAD. Not FRWL, not GF, not TB, not GE, not FYEO, not TND, not TWINE, not GE, not MR (okay, maybe a little) and -- thank the entire pantheon of gods for this one -- not AVTAK.

Next to the Bottom line: I enjoyed DAD immensely, but then again I also used to get a kick out of feeding Oreo cookies to the psychotic squirrels that have overrun UCLA (Or maybe they were chipmunks) so obviously my judgement is questionable...

[DanMan]

Red Widow Dawn, the reason I and 85% of filmgoers enjoyed DAD is because we simply know how to enjoy a great movie. If you go into the theater with a notebook and write down every flaw, your not going to enjoy the movie. .

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by iceberg
Hey, I was just happy the flippin movie finally came out.  After an interminable amount of waiting and fretting and posting and speculating and arguing and cajoling and generally wondering who the traitor was/what Icarus was/is Jinx-Miranda good or bad/what type of hair gel Graves uses to keep his hair in-place during the fencing scenes in the trailer, DAD was finally released and I went to see it,

I don't understand why anyone would want to know THAT much about a movie before seeing it in the theater??!! I personally like to go in not knowing anything but maybe some scant idea of which actors are appearing. Before this movie came out I knew it had something to do with Korea, that Halle Berry and someone named Rosamund Pike was in it and that it was a James Bond movie.
I felt I knew too much about TWINE when it opened, and it totally spoiled the experience for me.
I even avoided watching the trailer. I'm glad I did, MGM should be ashamed of putting out such a spoiler heavy trailer.

[1q2w3e4r]

Originally posted by DanMan
Red Widow Dawn, the reason I and 85% of filmgoers enjoyed DAD is because we simply know how to enjoy a great movie.  If you go into the theater with a notebook and write down every flaw, your not going to enjoy the movie.  .

That's a little narrow minded isn't it? Because he didn't enjoy it, he doesn't know how to enjoy a good film?

I don't think it was a good film either. The first hour was great but the plot and direction takes a massive dive in the second hour and the script looses its focus. Im not really going to get into it. But just because he doesn't like it and you do, doesn't make it a great movie.

[JimmyBond]

Originally posted by 1q2w3e4r


.  But just because he doesn't like it and you do, doesn't make it a great movie.

True, but just because he doesnt like it and we do doesnt make us retarded. You gotta see things from both sides of the argument. We're only lashing out because he insulted us.

[JackChase007]

Just because I like DAD doesn't mean that I've forgotten the other films. I love DAD, and I love the other Bond movies as well.

[Xenobia]

Yeah...but what about dem squirrels? Where are they now?

-- Xenobia

[iceberg]

They're writing the script for Bond 21, Xen....

It's going to be called "Acorns Are Forever."

[Blue Eyes]

Nope it's not. That was the first draft. It's now been retitled to "Nutfinger".

[Jim]

Isn't that a pørn film?

[Blue Eyes]

You tell me

[iceberg]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


I don't understand why anyone would want to know THAT much about a movie before seeing it in the theater??!! I personally like to go in not knowing anything but maybe some scant idea of which actors are appearing. Before this movie came out I knew it had something to do with Korea, that Halle Berry and someone named Rosamund Pike was in it and that it was a James Bond movie.
I felt I knew too much about TWINE when it opened, and it totally spoiled the experience for me.  
I even avoided watching the trailer. I'm glad I did, MGM should be ashamed of putting out such a spoiler heavy trailer.

Actually, DLN. All I really wanted to know was.... "What type of hair gel Gustav Graves uses to keep his hair in-place during the fencing scene?"

P.S. No it wasn't the curious gel from THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Xenobia
Yeah...but what about dem squirrels?  Where are they now?

-- Xenobia

Xen....They have appeared in another thread. I just saw them crop up in the "Who's the Punk" thread ---- the traitors!!

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by iceberg


Actually, DLN.  All I really wanted to know was.... "What type of hair gel Gustav Graves uses to keep his hair in-place during the fencing scene?"

P.S. No it wasn't the curious gel from THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY  

I hope I don't know anything about Bond 21 when it appears in the theater. Unfortunately, with my position in the media industry that's unlikely.

[iceberg]

Seriously, though. I agree with you. I think my intense curiosity about DAD did spoil it somewhat for me. Overall, still a fairly enjoyable experience.

However, I am going to attempt (must emphasize that word) to be deaf, blind, and mute about Bond 21.

And maybe squirrels will fall out of the sky.
(Holy cow! They're everywhere! Good God, is there no sanctuary from them?!!! Who will live to tell the tale?!!!)

Ciao, and Happy First Week of The New Year....

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by iceberg
Seriously, though.  I agree with you.  I think my intense curiosity about DAD did spoil it somewhat for me.  Overall, still a fairly enjoyable experience.  

However, I am going to attempt (must emphasize that word) to be deaf, blind, and mute about Bond 21.

I think the experience of seeing a Bond movie is that much more intense if you do not know much about it. I learnt this going to see TWINE. I knew so much about the movie there was no surprises.

[iceberg]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


I think the experience of seeing a Bond movie is that much more intense if you do not know much about it. I learnt this going to see TWINE. I knew so much about the movie there was no surprises.

I agree. Loved TWINE, despite its seeming unpopularity with most Bond fans. However, I also knew far too much going in. Two main dead giveways (which have nothing to do with the film itself, but rather with its marketing):

1.) THE TRAILER: (Elektra leaning into M's face to say, "Bond", in a manner that is, shall we say, not too sisterly; Bond saying "She has M" and then showing the scene in the Oil terminal with Elektra walking away from M as the latter looks around in terror and realizes she has been set up--and without her tumbler of Bourbon for comfort, no less)

2.) THOSE DAMN FALL MOVIE PREVIEW LISTS: A few of them were kind enough to safeguard TWINE's twist by summarizing the film like this:

"Bond's 19th adventure finds him being assigned to protect Elektra King, the beautiful daughter of a slain British Oil tycoon. Soon, however, it becomes clear that Elektra has more to her than meets the eye, and may even have been involved her father's murder. Bond's only ally is an American nuclear scientist who finds herself inadverdently drawn into the chaos."

Thanks, folks. That really cleared up who the Good Bond Girl and the Bad Bond Girl was. P.S. Be a dear and flush my subscription down the nearest toilet.

Anyway, DLN. You're right.

[zencat]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow
I think the experience of seeing a Bond movie is that much more intense if you do not know much about it. I learnt this going to see TWINE. I knew so much about the movie there was no surprises.

I so agree. I tried to not learn too much about DAD. I avoided plot spoilers, etc. But somehow I still knew everything going in. All I need to see is a pic and gears start turning and I put the plot together in my head. It was eaiser back before the internet. Very hard now to remain unspoiled.

[JackChase007]

Personally, if it's something like a Bond movie where I'm waiting for a period of years, then I want to get my hands on as much as I can. For me, it's all in the presentation.