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[SecretAgentFan]

It´s apparent that EON, MGM and the next distributor will have had conversations about the future of the Bond franchise, and EON will not have attended those without a concrete idea about plot and casting.   They are professionals, and nobody goes into a meeting saying: well, I don´t know...  They go in and say: this is what we want to do, and this is what we have to deal with.

 

Even if the smokescreen for the media (including Baz) has been "nothing´s certain, we don´t know yet", there will be many plans in place.  Hiring P&W now definitely means: we want a shootable script in the near future, boys.  And this being a Bond film, it means: these are the action sequences and locations we have mapped out - so incorporate them.

 

I also believe that EON will have been in contact with P&W constantly since they are their go-to-guys (their last interview again must have been another smokescreen, designed to keep the media off the scent), and either EON had started out with other writers which did not deliver or deliver enough so P&W have to shape that work into something workable - or EON has decided to employ only P&W because they know P&W can deliver on time for a projected shooting date at the end of the year.

[Odd Jobbies]

I think their hiring is definitely a pragmatic decision.

[DavidJones]

I don't think P&W's last interview was a smokescreen. I think they genuinely didn't know how to write another Bond, but are now going to try and figure that out now.

[Napoleon Solo]

The first draft of TWINE isn't readily avaliable, but it's floating around out there.

Here's a summary.

https://hmssweblog.w...ade-era-begins/

[Napoleon Solo]

Also, re: scoops. Here is a list (not just Bamigboye's) about Skyfall that panned out:

https://hmssweblog.w...klist-spoilers/

 

 

Here are lists for SPECTRE (includes one "scoop" that did not pan out). There is overlap, but the first contains things reported 2012, early 2013.

 

https://hmssweblog.w...racy-checklist/

 

https://hmssweblog.w...racy-checklist/

[SecretAgentFan]

Impressive, Mr. Solo.  Thanks!

[DaveBond21]

I see this as good news, in that at least it looks like there IS going to be a new Bond movie. I was concerned about the lack of development.

 

Based on the articles and discussion on here it seems like a November 2019 release but I'd love it to be 2018.

[Napoleon Solo]

That helicopter purchase by Eon may not be related to Bond 25.

http://bit.ly/2mAeg3f

[Tiin007]

If this is true, then I highly doubt Bond 25 can begin filming late this year / early 2018-- not because of the lack of helicopter, but because EON would be too preoccupied with this supposed war film. 

 

Then again, this could all just be misdirection. 

[SecretAgentFan]

That helicopter purchase by Eon may not be related to Bond 25.

http://bit.ly/2mAeg3f

 

Once again good find, Mr. Solo.

 

And it would make much more sense that way.  But since EON is only co-producing that film I don´t think it would hurt the chances of BOND 25 being shot at the end of 2017.  It´s all in the planning.

[Dustin]

Indeed, thanks for solving The Riddle of the Helicoper, Mr Solo!

[Connerybond]

I am waiting for more news about this, perhaps later this year?

[SecretAgentFan]

I´m expecting news to filter through in the following months, actually.  At least in relation to the distribution deal,  and after P&W have turned in a script that will go through the obligatory revisions mandated by EON and will then be handed over to Daniel Craig for approval. 

[DavidJones]

Mission Impossible 6 will happen first, and I think of those as Bond films anyway (or, at least, spin-offs).

[The Dove]

So..the helicopter news turns out to be a red herring...or maybe not? LOL.. But I'm somewhat hopeful about the Dubrovnik negotiations for Bond 25 locations could be a sign, or at least should be a sign that EON has ideas so hopefully P & W came on board with stuff to build on when writing the script and are not starting with a totally blank slate. 

[DaveBond21]

So..the helicopter news turns out to be a red herring...or maybe not? LOL.. But I'm somewhat hopeful about the Dubrovnik negotiations for Bond 25 locations could be a sign, or at least should be a sign that EON has ideas so hopefully P & W came on board with stuff to build on when writing the script and are not starting with a totally blank slate. 

 

Yes but the Dubrovnik news was from a year ago.

 

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[sharpshooter]

Mission Impossible 6 will happen first, and I think of those as Bond films anyway (or, at least, spin-offs).

I'm really looking forward to Mission Impossible 6. Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation are fantastic films, and honestly, Bond needs to catch up. Especially in regards to the action. I guess SPECTRE had the helicopter corkscrew, but Mission Impossible routinely features daring stunts the Bond franchise used to pride itself upon. They have also integrated humour without sacrificing the serious tone. They're fun films to watch. Props to Tom Cruise and his team. 

[MISALA1994]

P&W hired for Bond 25..

Damn.

Same, EON is too lazy these days.

[MISALA1994]

As i said before, i hope Gregg replaces Michael...

[MISALA1994]

I still think that SP was perfect send-off for Craig, there is no point to bring him back, time to move on.

Edited by MISALA1994, 14 March 2017 - 09:28 AM.

[Odd Jobbies]

 

Mission Impossible 6 will happen first, and I think of those as Bond films anyway (or, at least, spin-offs).

I'm really looking forward to Mission Impossible 6. Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation are fantastic films, and honestly, Bond needs to catch up. Especially in regards to the action. I guess SPECTRE had the helicopter corkscrew, but Mission Impossible routinely features daring stunts the Bond franchise used to pride itself upon. They have also integrated humour without sacrificing the serious tone. They're fun films to watch. Props to Tom Cruise and his team. 

 

Chris McQuarrie is definitely the right man for that job. He's one of the great working screenwriters (Usual Suspects is one of the best scripts ever written) and i've been hoping he'd do more directing ever since his under the radar debut Way Of The Gun (2000); for anyone that hasn't seen it and appreciates a great pulp thriller, then i can't recommend this enough.

 

It's good to see great writers like McQuarrie and Shane Black taking the director's chair these days - they know their stuff way better than the CGI/fast-cut merchants like Bay and Snyder that've providing so much dross of late.

 

My only reservation is Cruise. He's been a good Hunt for many years, but in Rogue Nation he was getting a bit 80s circa Moore with the jowls. You have to hand it to him for the insane stunts he does himself, but these are basically PR imploring us to believe a man of his age could really be 'Ethan Hunt'.

 

Well i think he's going to have to levitate, or display genuine telekinetic abilities to keep that show on the road - it's all getting a little beyond the pale. He's obviously going to be in MI:6, but then it's surely time to hand over the self-destructing baton to the next chap: Now there's a fun thread...

 

Perhaps McQuarrie could reboot a'la Casino Royale with a young actor - the likes of Miles Teller, Logan Lerman, Armie Hammer, Michael B. Jordan, Liam Hemsworth, or Nicholas Hoult?

[Odd Jobbies]

oops, double post

 

[SecretAgentFan]

Hmm, jowl-wise I did not see any 80´s-Sir Roger-ness in Cruise. 

 

Sacrilege, by the way.  

[DavidJones]

Well, Cruise has fat injected into his face to smooth out wrinkles, as he wanted to look like he did in the first M:I film for Rogue Nation. He certainly ages slower, but cosmetic surgery is so different to what it was in the early '80s. I think Roger looked great in FYEO and OP, myself. AVTAK, of course, was another matter. Between the weight loss, the lift around the eyes, the light-blue contact lenses, bleached hair and soft-focus photography (?), he looked a little wide-eyed scary in many shots. He looked fine a few months earlier in The Naked Face (1984) - which, by the way, has a very OHMSS ending which should be seen by anyone wondering if he could play such a harrowing scene. 

[Odd Jobbies]

Don't get me wrong, Moore aged like a god - i hope to look as good as him when i'm late 50s. But Bond and Hunt are extremely unforgiving roles in terms of the suspension of disbelief regarding the actor's age. It became an acknowledged joke with Moore and i see Cruise in that territory if he doesn't make MI:6 his last.

 

I hope i'm forgiven by the Moore fans

[SecretAgentFan]

It indeed will be interesting to see how long Cruise gets away with the high-wire act of defying reality.  And I mean his movies as well.

[Orion]

I seem to recall reading that Renner's character was designed to take over as lead when Cruise as Hunt is done. No clue if that is the case, but given MI:1 had a sort of handover from the tv series lead, albeit with a different actor, so I could see Cruise being keen on that approach.

[RMc2]

I seem to recall reading that Renner's character was designed to take over as lead when Cruise as Hunt is done. No clue if that is the case, but given MI:1 had a sort of handover from the tv series lead, albeit with a different actor, so I could see Cruise being keen on that approach.

 

 

Yes, that was the initial rumour behind Renner's casting. I'm inclined to believe that was the original plan, given how hot Renner was back in 2010, and how Paramount and Cruise didn't have the best relationship after M:I-III. Luckily Cruise took over in the end, because I don't think Renner is a great leading man (excellent supporting player, though). However I agree with you that M:I-6 is the ideal time for Cruise to retire from Ethan Hunt, and maybe they'll do just that, to judge from McQuarrie's recent comments about the story. I think Cruise is still convincing as an action star and puts a lot of the younger fellas to shame, but he's rapidly reaching the point where it'll be too incredible for him to keep going.

 

Back to Bond: I hope EON take a long page from Rogue Nation's book. I'd love some real suspense sequences, with less focus on huge action setpieces and more on the battle of wits between our hero and villain. A classic 'Bond investigates' scene would be most welcome, a la OHMSS. Also, actual character development that doesn't gobble the running time.

[Odd Jobbies]

I seem to recall reading that Renner's character was designed to take over as lead when Cruise as Hunt is done. No clue if that is the case, but given MI:1 had a sort of handover from the tv series lead, albeit with a different actor, so I could see Cruise being keen on that approach.

I think the fact that they went back to Damon for the 5th Bourne movie after trying a soft reboot with Renner has ruined his chances of being given the MI leading role (if that were ever the intention).

 

A shame because Renner is an excellent actor, but i guess he didn't equal big enough box office for the suits behind Bourne.

 

Imo opinion they should go with a much younger actor for Ethan Hunt - late 20s, such as Teller or Lerman.

[DavidJones]

To be fair to Renner, his Bourne film was rubbish (I call it The Bourne Atrocity). He couldn't lead in two spy franchises, anyway. Not getting a Marvel solo movie has harmed his chances of being a headliner too.