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[Cody]

Enjoyed the movie overall, of course. I enjoy all Bond. But I really hate that they tied Bond and Blofeld's childhoods together, and thought the climax felt like a bit of a tacked-on mess.

 

As of my first viewing, SPECTRE is definitely my least favorite of the Craig era.

[casinoroyale75]

Just returned home from seeing Spectre! Drove 2 1/2 hours + to see it on IMAX. Got a cool movie poster, and two smaller versions of the IMAX posters for framing. This was really exciting and unexpected.

 

Daniel Craig is my favorite actor, and his portrayal of Bond has made Bond my favorite movie character since 2006. The chemistry is magical, and will never be duplicated (in my opinion).

 

As far as ratings go, for Daniel Craig era Bond:  I rate CR a 10+, easily my favorite movie of all-time (and portrayal of Bond); Skyfall 9.8; Quantum of Solace 9.7. 

 

Daniel Craig's Bond, in CR and QOS, was a haunted, no-nonsense, assassin that rebooted the character from the core. No offense to any Moore fans, I like Sir Roger, but the tone and style of those movies, were wayyyy to comedic for my taste. Essentially, most were action-comedies (a horrible genre mix imo).  Dalton in LTK is my favorite non-Craig film. Awesome movie.

 

Spectre: Really haven't finalized my overall impression of SP. The opening scene is brilliant, and very Craig/CR like. I was like "yes!" on the inside. That sequence would have made a great finale (of course, altering some variables). The couch bit? Um, eh. Ah, um. But still, fabulous +. Better than Skyfall pts, but not sure vs. QOS and CR. (A, almost A+)

 

Theme song: Not as good as Craig's other three. Okay. B-  A tad weird; prefer upbeat music.

 

The meeting: Awesome. Shadowy, suspenseful, intriguing. Couldn't wait to see what happened. Mr. Hinx (two thumbs up!). (A)

 

Wasn't really big on the gadget returns. I prefer a real-world Bond (CR, QOS).

 

Mr. White:  Was more interesting and overshadowed the main villain. Would have preferred the main villain of the film to be him (and certainly not in the condition we saw). Still, he was fantastic while on screen. Very believable actor. I heard so much about how gifted he is, and he is a great actor, but Christensen wiped the floor with him. Compare Waltz's performance in SP vs. Christensen's in CR. (A) 

 

Lucia Sequence: Meh. ©

 

Oberhauser: Underused, and underdeveloped. (B-)  At some points, one could potentially see possibly the best Bond villain ever. Not to be in this film.

 

Car Chase: Mediocre. Disappointing, to be honest. He's on the phone and talking about i.e., while this maniac is behind him?  (C+)

 

Moneypenny: Did a great job. (A)

C: solid. (

M: Okay. Not as good as in Skyfall. (B-)

Q: Really good. But again, I'm not a gadget guy. He seemed to blend into the role nicely in SP (getting comfortable for him). (B+)

 

Snow sequence: B (not as good as CR Poker Game, better than plane sequence in QOS). Solid.

 

Hotel Sequence with Swann: Excellent. Connected a lot of loose ties, and the (pardon the pun) spectre of Mr. White was omnipresent. When DC picked up the tape of Vesper's interrogation, wow. Didn't watch it though. Craig and the mouse, lol. (A)

 

Mr. Hinx vs. Bond (Hand-to-Hand Combat): The best fight scene ever in a film. Absolutely loved it. You could almost feel the impact at the IMAX. (A+) In all of Craig's films, this is really the first time he has to fight someone who makes you think (man, I don't think he can take this guy?).

 

Lair: Connections revealed elevate the plot, but the overall meet and greet thing is too retro for me. (

 

Swann: Okay. Felt like an attempt to be the new Vesper, only without the deceit... she really impacted the ending in a negative way for me. (.

 

C vs. M/ Surveillance Issue Resolution: (B-)

 

Bond captured and escape: (A) (great!)

 

Clock sequence/Swann: (B+) (good suspense).

 

Bond's Choice vs. Oberhauser: (F ) Wayyyyy to much like Quantum's ending here (my main fault to QOS). After all that was revealed, and what he's been through, this is what happens? No way, no how. I just can't buy this. At least in Quantum, the deal was sealed with Green (just not in an apparent manner).

 

Final ending sequence: (D-) 

 

First Act: A

Middle Act: B+

Final Act: C-

 

Daniel Craig is the perfect Bond for my taste. I don't know how, but he manages comedy and humor extremely well, when it seems to go against the nature of the character he portrayed in Casino. A few too many one-liners by the writers. I can't give him anything less than an A+ because he is the man. What the writers gave him, and the direction, not so good. They made the Austin Powers flicks for a reason: stay away from that stuff, please. This is 2015.

 

Sam Mendes: Poor and lazy directing. I think he is tapped out of creative juice. I'll give him a D, but it's time to move on, please. Can anyone say Martin Campbell?

 

I enjoyed the film, but was underwhelmed to be honest. It seemed like a film torn between different eras. Let Daniel Craig be the Bond of CR...that's when he is at his best (and the franchise in general).

 

I am definitely going to watch it again, and some of this critique may change. I think that this movie caught me off guard as it was so much different than QOS and SF.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HoneyDiamond]

I liked Spectre quite a bit.  I agree that it was a fairly traditional (classic) Bond.  It fits with the Connery era in many ways.  We haven’t had a Blofeld entry in 44 years, so that’s fun. 

 

Some tweaks here and there hold it down just a bit, but all in all I’m very happy with it. 

 

PTS – The whole Mexico sequence was amazing.  Starting with the gun barrel to get me excited right out of the gate.  The Day of the Dead festival is a great backdrop and seeing bond in costume was a great way to start too.  I love when Bond is on the chase.  The helicopter fight was epic. 

 

Music – Good throughout with familiar tunes always welcome.  I think Sam Smith’s song was also very good with the opening credits. 

 

Daniel Craig – Great Bond.  He did a very nice job going from intense action scenes to seductive and tongue in cheek. 

 

Lea Seydoux – I liked her a lot.  Just wish she and Bond had more time together. 

 

Waltz – He was born to be Blofeld, I just wish some of the writing was tighter around him. 

 

Batista – Great henchman!  I would even say he could have used another scene as well. 

 

Blofeld’s Kitty – What a great kitty!

 

Moneypenny, M & Q – All top notch in their roles. 

 

Action – Pretty good.  The helicopter part in the PTS was great.  The car chase scene was good if not a little safe if that makes sense.  It could have used an extra layer of danger in the first part of it.  The plane chasing the cars was good. 

 

Mouse interrogation was amazing!

 

Story – My only real problem with the movie is the final act.  I don’t mind the basic plot but I don’t need MI6 to be in danger every movie.  And the setup that Blofeld arranged in the demolition building for Bond was obviously preposterous.  And making Bond responsible for creating Blofeld because he won his father’s love is soap opera trash. 

 

But I kind of loved the first two hours.  I’m going to love seeing how this movie shifts through my ranked list over the next decade.

[deth]

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[Hockey Mask]

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Intrigued.

[deth]

 

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Intrigued.

 

 

 

Haha, I just moved it to the review forum

[MattofSteel]

Alright, I've seen this thing 3 times in 4 days. I absolutely understand the backlash in certain quarters - and one would probably be on solid ground to argue passionately that the film not only has noticeable flaws, but is ultimately compromised by them.

 

But for me, SPECTRE is absolutely tremendous.

 

Flawed, perhaps - but the only real thing it's guilty of is trying to do too much. If one can't enjoy it even simply as a celebration, an experience, a well-informed thesis of what Bond truly is and can be - then I honestly can't guess what the reason you watch Bond movies is. 

 

Skyfall was a precisely crafted masterpiece - SPECTRE is a masterpiece in its own right, but for completely different and (IMO) utterly incomparable reasons. It's far from perfect - I wouldn't even say it edges its way into my Top 5 Bond films - but it doesn't need to be, and that's the point. 

[byline]

MattofSteel, I agree with you completely. I saw it today for the second time, this time with hubby, and I enjoyed it even more the second time around. That second viewing enabled me to better understand more of the dialogue and link pieces of the puzzle together. I understand the complaints about problems with this film, and they're there. But for me the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and SPECTRE holds together beautifully well.

[S K Y F A L L]

Seen and... weird right? Needed more Hinx and Blofeld IMO. 

 

It pieced together fine I guess but two fast. Bond blow up Blofelds base in 2 seconds. 

 

I thought they might do something to Blofeld but I was thinking burning his hair off. The eye looked great. 

 

So is Hinx alive?

[seawolfnyy]

Seen and... weird right? Needed more Hinx and Blofeld IMO. 

 

It pieced together fine I guess but two fast. Bond blow up Blofelds base in 2 seconds. 

Agreed on both. I thought Hinx and Blofeld were great, but underused and I thought Bond and Swann escaped too easily from Blofeld's base. Also, not only does he destroy it in 2 seconds, he does so pretty much by accident.

[casinoroyale75]

I definitely enjoyed the second outing more. But honestly, I'm still disappointed with it to a degree. I miss the Daniel Craig of Bond and Quantum. Where did he go?

We started to see a little some humor in Skyfall (the casino scene with the dragons, that is the worst part of the film to me, and my only real fault to it---definitely had a campy feel to it, Mooreish); a few one liners etc., but Spectre drifts toward slapstick too much. They should have allowed Craig to keep the tone set for Bond in CR...perfection. If they had stuck with the CR tone, his Bond would stand out as cold, charismatic, ruthless and iconic. As it is now, he is starting to blend in with older Connery and Moore Bonds (I keep thinking Never Say Never again when I think of Spectre). The last 10 minutes of Spectre was terrible.

Agree with: More Blofeld and Hinx.

 

Also thought Craig vs. Mr. White should have been the main focus of the middle act. What an awesome segment that would have been! They robbed us of that. Instead The Pale King is totally wasted. Blah.  Is Mendes a big Roger Moore and or camp Bond fan? He has to be.

[The Shark]

Craig is the least of SPHINCTER's faults. In fact, I'd argue his performance is the film's primary strength. He's matured into the role wonderfully and he has an authority and gravitas that was somewhat missing in Casino Royale. You see it begin to form in Question of Sport, and he fully establishes his Bond in Skyfall.

[casinoroyale75]

I love DC, think he is the best Bond ever. I just don't like the character direction and writing they handed him. Also agree he is the best thing about Spectre. But it could have been so much better with a more serious tone, imo. I think Craig's Bond in Casino is perfection. It's the Bond I've wanted to see my entire life. Closest before Craig was Dalton in LTK.

[MattofSteel]

Craig is the least of SPHINCTER's faults. In fact, I'd argue his performance is the film's primary strength. He's matured into the role wonderfully and he has an authority and gravitas that was somewhat missing in Casino Royale. You see it begin to form in Question of Sport, and he fully establishes his Bond in Skyfall.

 

Take it you're not a fan of B24 overall, Shark.

[Silva25]

It really did feel like "tie everything together" only came about because they got the rights to SPECTRE back finally.  It really feels rushed and makes very little sense.  Some ideas for how they could have done this better, imo:

 

Spoiler

 -Quantum is crippled after the events of CR/QOS. With most of it's leadership dead or captured, and Mr. White in hiding fearing for his life.

 

-A surviving high-ranking member of Quantum (ie Blofeld) escapes with what's left of the organizations infrastructure and then begins allying/bringing together various other criminal groups. Thus SPECTRE is born. Basically, its the rise of SPECTRE, instead of pretending that they've always been there (which contradicts the previous films).

 

-Silva was using SPECTRE as a resource center. He was still doing his own thing, but they were just supporting him logistically (which allowed him to move up his timetable) because both Blofeld and Silva shared the common goal of destabilizing MI6, messing with M and Bond.

 

-Blofeld respects Bond's abilities, but is annoyed by his constant interference. Their rivalry becomes personal due to a tit for tat "you hurt me, I hurt you back" thing on both sides, as opposed to a lame "long-lost brother/daddy issues" plot.

 

-Make Monica Bellucci Blofeld, that would have been cool (as opposed to Christoph Waltz doing a less impressive version of his usual schtick).

 

-Make the Nine Eyes thing more of the main plot (as opposed to an afterthought). But also fix it, since it also makes little sense.

Basically this was doable, but they needed a big script revision. Instead, it looks like the post-leak "changes" were rather minor.

Edited by Silva25, 10 November 2015 - 05:39 AM.

[Vauxhall]

Some interesting ideas there, but definitely don't agree with making Bellucci into Blofeld. She's fine, but not a patch on Waltz.

[Silva25]

Waltz how he was in this movie, yeah she would be.  Here he was just doing a lesser version of his usual schtick, which was disappointing.  His first scene was his best, and unfortunately it was really brief.

[A Kristatos]

It's been a long time since I posted here, but having seen Spectre on Saturday night, and after giving it a few days to sink in, I am posting my first impressions of this terrific film.  Let's just say we finally get to see Daniel Craig's take on a traditional Bond adventure, and he nails it.  Craig is very comfortable in the role, and he looks like he had the most fun filming a Bond movie (as he alluded to in several recent interviews).  And that fun translates to the audience as this is the most fun I have had in viewing a Bond film at the theatre in a long time.  This by no means is an indictment on his first three Bond movies.  On the contrary, two of those three movies rank in my top 4 Bond films of all time (I'll leave it to people to guess which DC Bond film does not rank in my top 4, though I really enjoy that movie as well).  But while the first three tapped into the emotional, inner side of Bond, Spectre is the most traditional DC Bond movie, and it shows in Craig's loose performance.  Add to that the terrific performance of Lea Seydoux and her budding romance with Bond (not at all as underdeveloped as many thought), we finally get to see DC's Bond have a happy ending for a change.  Whether the slightly ambiguous third act signals a sequel in the works, or whether Swann becomes the latest in a long line of Bond girls who exist just for a quick fling (perhaps nothing more than some are making this out to be), it's good to see this movie end in a more traditional manner.  If the producers and Craig want to go back to the more darker portrayal of Bond in Bond 25, have at it.  At least we have Daniel Craig's traditional Bond portrayal for prosperity with all the trappings.

 

Of course, before I forget, gunbarrel, how great it was to see you back in your rightful place at the beginning of the movie triumphantly announcing the arrival of the next James Bond adventure!    I definitely smiled seeing the gunbarrel opening a Bond movie for the first time in 13 years (with no CGI bullet flying out at me!).  And the benefit of going into this movie spoiler free made the impact of that sensational single camera PTS sequence all the more impressive!  Definitely a fresh idea that worked very well.

 

Just a brief synopsis of the rest of the movie.  Christoph Waltz was perfect casting for his role.  While not in the movie a ton (though probably more screen time than another classic villain, Joseph Weisman's Dr. No), his impact was profoundly felt even when he was not on screen.  And despite a relatively minimal amount of screen time, his portrayal of Blofeld shows that you don't necessarily have to be dominating the dialogue the whole time.  Blofeld was shown sparingly in the early Bond films, adding to the aura and mystery of his character.

 

All the other aspects of this movie were well done as well.  Great acting from the supporting cast, great choreography, locales, action (more of it but still relatively believable), a great henchman, plot, and many of the traditional elements back in full glory.  And of course a Bond film with a classic feel, with many great homages to the earlier Bond classics. 

 

I will probably give this another viewing or two which at that time I will post a more detailed review.  But based on my first impression, Spectre easily resides amongst my top 10 Bond films with a 9 out of 10 rating.

[byline]

I love DC, think he is the best Bond ever. I just don't like the character direction and writing they handed him. Also agree he is the best thing about Spectre. But it could have been so much better with a more serious tone, imo. I think Craig's Bond in Casino is perfection. It's the Bond I've wanted to see my entire life. Closest before Craig was Dalton in LTK.

You know, I hate to point this out, because I'm generally in agreement with you when it comes to Craig's take on Bond (and also Dalton). But it's comments like these that make me realize the Bond powers that be really can't win. OK, they can, in terms of box office, as SPECTRE seems to be doing quite well despite the many complaints. But all I remember reading (not so much here, but elsewhere) after Casino Royale came out was, "Where are the gags? Where are the gadgets? That's not Bond! Bond is not this sullen, sour-faced thug. Give us back our Bond!" So in this film, they tried to retain Craig's believability as a government assassin (as opposed to a lounge lizard with a gun), while bringing in more overt attempts at humor. And then they get complaints about that.

 

As I said before, I agree with you. I generally disliked the Moore and Brosnan eras (with a few exceptions) for those very reasons. It just in no way felt believable to me. I understand that it's a fantasy, but I have to be reeled in with a sense of the character being grounded in, not reality, but believability. An assassin has to carry a certain air of menace and power, that they really can and will do what they are hired to do. And yet there is enough humanity dancing behind the eyes to make me believe in Bond. For the most part neither Moore nor Brosnan gave me that sense. Early Connery did. Dalton did. And now Craig has.

 

Having said all that, I strenuously disagree that Craig's Bond was humorless, and I've made that argument from the get-go. There are so many instances of humor, from Casino Royale on. It's just that it's not the campy humor so prevalent in the Moore and Brosnan eras. I think the powers that be are still fine-tuning Bond, trying to nail down exactly what course they will take in the post-Craig era. Clearly they are leaning to the Bond of old ... and not so old. They're still playing with the mix and trying to get it right. For the most part, I think they've done that. But my heart will always go to Casino Royale, because it was such an exciting breath of fresh air.

[Desk]

It's the quality of the comedy that I find most problematic with SP.

 

There's no doubting that Craig's Bond is capable of delivering wit, such as in his verbal sparring with Vesper on the train in Casino Royale.

 

It was cleverly written, made Bond seem clever and likeable, and was perfectly in keeping with the situation and plot.

 

But what little attempted 'comedy' I can discern in SP is just so insipid and lazy. Bond asking a mouse 'Who sent you?' Identifying himself as 'Mickey Mouse'?

 

A $1 BILLION franchise, and this is the best they can come up with? It didn't raise even a smile, let alone a chuckle, I'm afraid.

 

Craig has shown he's capable of delivering a funny line as Bond, and unless we want 007 as an emotionless killing machine I'd argue, done in the right way, that a sense of humour is an important and welcome part of the character.

 

Just like Brosnan before him, with Purvis and Wade's Christmas cracker gags like 'edifice complex', Craig was ill-served by the 'screenwriters' on Spectre.

 

Desk

Edited by Desk, 10 November 2015 - 03:32 PM.

[Professor Pi]

 

But what little attempted 'comedy' I can discern in SP is just so insipid and lazy. Bond asking a mouse 'Who sent you?' Identifying himself as 'Mickey Mouse'?
 

 

Actually, I thought that was fitting.  It indicates he's getting a little burnt out (Bond, not Craig) and is a visual reference to "last rat standing."  Gags like the old man driving in the car chase, and Bond's reckless endangerment of him, I could have done without.  But when Bond dropped onto the couch in the PTS, I knew there were going to be lighter moments in the film.  Besides, Spectre's problem isn't its humor.

[byline]

 

It's the quality of the comedy that I find most problematic with SP.

I never considered the Moore or Brosnan films to be all that funny, but that style of campy humor appealed to the masses. When Craig came on board, and Bond got more serious? Fans were screaming for a return to the gags. Not all, and certainly not me. But there was a loud backlash, and I think the producers are trying to cater to that crowd. In fairness, the quality of the quips in SPECTRE isn't below that of much of what we heard from Brosnan and Moore (and even sometimes Connery, especially in his later Bond films).

[plankattack]

I think the notion that humour in SP is reminiscent of some of the more extreme edges of the series comes from where it's placed. Early Bonds had humour, but mostly in the form a punchline acting as a release valve at the end of action/danger/violence. SP on the other hand has a couple of moments where the humour shows up within the action, and that is something that really didn't start until DAF/LALD. For me, it's a small thing that really changes those sequences, and while IMHO it doesn't make things "camp" - it does indicate a more knowing, tongue-in-cheek wink at the audience.

[The Shark]

I think we're in need of a 'Rate SPECTRE Out of 10' thread.

 

Or at least a poll. Can a mod add a poll to this one?

[TheREAL008]

Just came back from my second viewing and had a better experience overall. SPECTRE is a good movie that stands on it's own yet conveniently ties up the loose ends of the past decade.

The only gripe I have is how a helicopter is downed by a single bullet from a Walther PPK. this was the worst point in the movie and really should have been excluded in the film. Blofield should have gotten away. But I'm happy with the ending regardless.

4/5 stars. 

Looking forward to the future.

[Guy Haines]

I think the notion that humour in SP is reminiscent of some of the more extreme edges of the series comes from where it's placed. Early Bonds had humour, but mostly in the form a punchline acting as a release valve at the end of action/danger/violence. SP on the other hand has a couple of moments where the humour shows up within the action, and that is something that really didn't start until DAF/LALD. For me, it's a small thing that really changes those sequences, and while IMHO it doesn't make things "camp" - it does indicate a more knowing, tongue-in-cheek wink at the audience.

The trouble is, those couple of moments - if I'm right they are both in the car chase, the "atmosphere" gag and the airbag scene - don't really fit the rest of the film. Not even the humour of the rest of the film. Fortunately they are both over in seconds so they aren't a great problem, but they do jarr a bit.

When the humour got visual from the 70s onwards, it got lazy. As if the screenwriters couldn't be bothered to write a really witty one liner or two when a lame. corny visual gag would do.

Humour, whilst present, doesn't dominate SPECTRE though. What is more obvious are knowing nods to the classic era, some of which are a bit in your face, whereas others are quite subtle. In the Bond/Hinx train fight there were obvious nods to TSWLM, LALD and FRWL - but also DAF (Bond causing Hinx to catch fire - like Mr Kidd, except Hinx merely shrugs his jacket off and carries on brawling - and Jaws - the movie, not the Bond villain.)

[Mike00spy]

Due to some personal problems, I fear I won´t have time to write a full review. That being said, I still can´t grasp why some people - and even some fans - are bashing this helluva brilliant film.
I would expected people who loved Connery, would love Craig in this; those who loved Lazenby (or OHMSS) would love SP; the Moore fans would rejoice; the Dalton fanatics would be trilled; and the Brosnan gen would adore it.
It is a quintissential Bond film.....

Well, truth is, I loved every bit of the film. Every second.
Hope I´ll get the time to write that full review.

This is the first Bond film where I truly don't understand the criticisms against it. I know it's all a matter of perspective, but:

With QoS, I get why people don't like it. I get why people would find the humor in MR to be a turnoff. I even understand the minority of Bond fans who don't like Skyfall.

But SPECTRE? I'm genuinely surprised.

I just want to address one set if concerns quickly: the connection between Bond and Blofeld. It doesn't bother me at all. It's hardly absurd as movie logic goes: if there were Internet forums in the 80s, I would imagine fans complaining at the highly implausible and ridiculousness of Darth Vader being Luke's father, especially since Star Wars plainly said Vader murdered Luke's father. Talk about retconning. I could even see a poster saying, "what's next? Han or Leia is a sibling?"

[S K Y F A L L]

S K Y F A L L on S P E C T R E

 

SPOILER FREE 

Did not read more then a few lines of the leak and avoided the Spoiler threads.

Followed SF so closely it ruined it for me. Most my assumptions about the film were correct to, somewhat.

Blofeld and him being disfigured anyway, thought they might burn his hair off. Maybe in Bond 25. 

 

GUN BARREL 

Were it should be althought it should have never left. I'm talking about you CR & QOS, skid marks of the franchise if you ask me.

 

PRE TITLE SEQUENCE

 I was a little board, I suppose they figured they would try one with a little more fun. I think it worked but could have been a little better IMO. Something was missing and all those incent bystanders weren't helping any. At least they did not have Bond hiding in a float.

 

TITLE SEQUENCE 

Great transition to the TS. I like the song, I think the best part is the course and the rest is alittle un interesting. The Octopus theme was a nice touch. - That's my little octopussy!

 

M's OFFICE

 Another BS meeting about Bond breaking rules rather then going on missions he is going rouge.

Why did they change the painting in the bachground I wonder???

 

Q's SCENE

 was wonderful IMO even his joke about bring back one piece, hilarious.

Cool watch though - I believe it's his 24th.

 

MONEYPENNY's SCENES 

Bond is to proud to carry a box home he treats Moneypenny as his servant, no respect.

 

BOND'S APARTMENT

 If this is Bond's apartment where are the golf clubs from DN and the expresso machine from LALD? Huh? I'm waiting for a youtube video of Bond actually watching something goofy. Instead of M's message.

 

POOR 009 

Some reason I thought it was uncool of Bond to steal 009s ride just to dump it in a lake. Pretty lame climax to the car chase if you ask me, - ejector seat you must be joking!

 

THE MEETING 

The Spectre meeting was simply amazing. Could have used an explanation about Hinx's thumbs but I suppose its not unnecessary.

 

CAR CHASE 

The car chase is wicked although I thought it to be un climatic. I also didnt care for the Moneypenny phone call in the middle of it. 

 

CNS SUBPLOT

Why can't they just keep Q, M and MP at the beginning and end of the film... Couldn't get into this story thread. 

 

MR. WHITE 

He should have cleaned up for Bond when he asked him to come up stairs, a shower, shave and a nice suit to go out on. Also he would be more familiar to the casual viewer.

 

THE CLINIC 

Snow and no skiing, that's BS! Bond shouldn't be putting Q in danger either. Does EON have a partnership with a plane and helicopter company?... Lets keep it to a one helicopter action scene per film, EON. What is this Vietnam?

 

THE TRAIN 

I thought this was a great sequence but I saw most of it online it felt like.

I was expecting Hinx to return before the film was over.

 

BLOFELD's LIAR 

Wonderful, intereting back story and looks but it felt unused to me.

The rooms with the pictures and clothes was creepy. And great entrance by Blofeld.

Why that place was made of gas, we'll never no.

 

TORTURE 

I thought it was a little weird and really brief. The shoot of the cat was great though and the big reveal. Not exactly as menacing as a laser like in GF. I might have preferred a sawblade coming at him or something. Felt like CR all over again.

 

MI6 SHOWDOWN 

That scene of Blofeld behind glass is splendid! Although reminiscent of THE DARK KNIGHT when he gives Bond an ultimatum if memory serves me correct. Thank goodness Blofeld blow up MI6 so they have nothing else to blow up now besides baddie's liars. They can finally focus on sending Bond on a straightforward mission, hopefully.

Bond should have shot out Q's fishing boat to destroy the helicopter!!!!! You kidding me! Bond shots a helicopter down with a hand gun... and I'm Arnold Plamer*. It would have been better if Bond was on the bridge and Blofeld was trying to ruin him over with the helicopter like in FRWL but instead of sniping the passenger Bond could shoot the pilot with his PPK.

 

ENDING 

Bond driving off with the girl is not all that bad unless they use the Bond theme to end the film like they have since, geez DAD is it. Come on. Just lazy if you ask me. That would have been a perfect moment for a heartfelt song IMO. Bond finding romance and all. If you ask me to, I just might change my mind And let you in my life forever,

 

BOX OFFICE & EXPECTATIONS FOR BOND 25 

I suspect if this does well Bond 25 will start of with Hinx freeing Blofeld. What is a ultra maximum security prison like? I would love a 2017 release but you know how EON is. They'll want Mendes back but have to wait a year so he can do CATS on Broadway.

Edited by S K Y F A L L, 17 November 2015 - 06:27 AM.

[stromberg]

 

I think we're in need of a 'Rate SPECTRE Out of 10' thread.

 

Or at least a poll. Can a mod add a poll to this one?

 

No, because we already have one

 

http://debrief.comma...spectre-rating/

[FlemingBond]

you're forgeting Mike00spy Darth Vader was a new character. Blofeld has already existed in the novels and the movies with a different backstory. This would be like suddenly making Felix Leiter a 60 year old russian.