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#361 bill007

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 05:07 AM

Great to hear that you enjoyed it, Bill!!

Howdy, Dove. (Go Broncs!!)

 

Yes, I read all the hacked-e-mails.  I read all the reviews (both here and in the general media).

 

So, I went in to this one well, er, armed.

 

All sense of bias quickly faded away.

 

I was..enthralled.  Much like a roller-coaster ride.

 

Begins with a punch (pre-title). Theme song is still horrid for me, but visuals got me past it.

 

From then on, a great ride.  Much like being on my Harley on a 75-degree day riding the 'Million-dollar highway.'

 

Pure enjoyment.



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Posted 06 November 2015 - 05:15 AM

IMO, this film would have been better served with an uptempo, "You Know My Name"-style title song rather than a ballad. But really that's my only quibble. Great fun! I'd rank it third in Craig's run, and I like all four films ... not equally, but for different reasons.



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Posted 06 November 2015 - 05:29 AM

Finally, the day has arrived. Going to the 7pm showing tonight in the U.S.

 
What did you think of it? :)
 

I've got the day off tomorrow from work...I'm heading to the movie theatre right after breakfast..

 
Whoop whoop! Guess you'll be having three lightly scrambled eggs, bacon, a double Espresso with cream and half a pint of orange juice? ;)
Wow! Wow! Wow! Fabulous movie! Not only is the PTS my favorite so far but it may be my favorite Bond moment ever. The credit sequence was one of the best ever. The song worked very well with it. Not sure why people are hating on the score in general but it had moments that really shined. My son loved the movie. Walking out he could not stop talking about the Day of the Dead scene. I really liked our villain. The boardroom scene brought real drama.

Really brought the whole Craig era together. I was a bit worried about all the funny Moore moments but was surprised how restrained it was from where I thought it was headed. Looked like an art film in several spots. Holy cow! Just happy to have it in our series. Craig really owns the role now. He's moved ahead of Connery which is sacrilegious sounding now that I've said it.

Not real sure why so many negative reviews came about. Hinx is a flipping brute by the way.

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 05:52 AM

Just got back from seeing Spectre........
Two Words....
CLASSIC BOND!!!!
Absolutely Loved It......

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 06:48 AM

POSSIBLE SPOILER!

 

Paid homage to Donald Pleasence

Paid homage to Colonel Sun novel

Craig properly mixed lover/killer aspects of 007

But I thought M's message would be in bulldog.



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Posted 06 November 2015 - 08:03 AM

Sounds like a pretty positive response from our colleagues across the Atlantic!

Given that it vexed many of us for months and we even devoted a whole thread to it - to which yours truly, in between work and electioneering contributed a number of wierd and wonderful suggestions - what did you think of the way the film answered the question "Who is Oberhauser?"

(I must admit I didn't see the resolution coming, though I should have done, and I think our Executive Officer friend from Germany, Stromberg, came closest in cracking it!)

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 12:43 PM

IMO, this film would have been better served with an uptempo, "You Know My Name"-style title song rather than a ballad. But really that's my only quibble. Great fun! I'd rank it third in Craig's run, and I like all four films ... not equally, but for different reasons.

Much as I like YKMN - it is one of my all time favourite Bond themes - I'm not convinced isomething like it would work here. Even though this film was, by Craig's standards, a bit lighter in parts than usual, it nevertheless had a serious storyline with personal elements to it. The lyrics of WOTW reflect this;

"With you I'm feeling something....." Bond falling for Madeleine.

"I feel like a storm is coming" - taken with Mr White's line about a "kite dancing in a hurricane" - Bond's appointment with destiny - namely his confrontation with the villain.

"A million shards of glass" - the people Bond killed or who died because of him.

It's a "theme" tune reflecting the themes of the film, imho and fitted very well with the titles.

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 12:58 PM

Saw it at last night's preview screening here in the states (only 10 people in the theater! - yikes!).  I loved it!  I saw it with a group of 6 and everyone loved it.  Is it perfect?  No.  But it ties the classic elements together with Craig's more gritty style even better than I had hoped and was a real thrill ride.  

A question though - has everyone's print been really dark and muddy?  I suspect that there may have been a first night issue with the image quality at the theater I saw it in, but the contrast levels seemed flat, without strong blacks.  I'm planning to see it again soon in a different theater for comparison.

LOVED Newman's score and had no issues with the themes from SF being reused as they worked well and gave a nice cohesion between this and SF.  Definitely count me in the camp who is happy to not have Arnold for a couple of movies now.

I'd rank it at just under SF, which was itself under CR, and well ahead of QoS.


Edited by Yellow Pinky, 06 November 2015 - 12:58 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2015 - 01:23 PM

Initial impressions is that this was a good film, and one which, for me, surpasses Skyfall by virtue of having a story which makes sense, and a hero who attempts to be heroic and whose actions actually have some impact on the fundamental outcomes of the plot.
 
That said, it's not a film without problems. One which struck me very quickly is that Craig's Bond is still swaggering about with the same attitude he had in Skyfall - that is, sullen, surly and a bit of a pr*ck. 
 
Bond has never had the greatest respect for authority figures, but his early exchange with M is just downright rude, hostile and insubordinate. The fact that M allows such behavior, and then an even worse exchange with 'C', just doesn't strike me as believable.
 
In Skyfall, Bond looked on dispassionately as a woman he'd just bedded was gunned down. In Spectre, he saves Belluci's character from a similar fate, and I wondered if this was in response to the Skyfall criticism. But with his generally callous demeanour you're left with the impression this heroism was ONLY because it served his wider agenda.
 
It just strikes me that there's a sense of humanity missing from Craig's Bond, and none of the playful humour that I associate with the cinematic character and which featured in Casino Royale.
 
It seems that the producers have decided that the loss of Vesper has robbed him of that humanity. As a consequence, Craig's po-faced 007 can come across as unsympathetic and unlikable. Although Dalton played the role close to the source material, you still got a sense of warmth, compassion, and some playfulness and fun.
 
Back to Spectre, and I think the greatest problem is the central romance. Madeline Swann is introduced far too late in the game, and given no real character. Let's face it, she's pretty bland and anemic, and it's difficult to imagine her ever replacing Vesper as the great love in Bond's life, let alone doing that so quickly. Bond and Swann share one train journey, devoid of any of the spark clearly seen between Bond and Vesper on their brief train encounter in Casino Royale, and yet you've suddenly got Swann declaring her love for this man she's known for five minutes.
 
Another flaw is the screenwriters and producers' apparent desire to turn what was a series of standalone movies into an ongoing melodrama. The idea that Blofeld is Bond's adopted brother is something straight out of a soap opera, and a completely unnecessary personalisation of the threat. It's a big world, but all of Bond's adventures are now tied into a family feud?
 
Spectre is largely an investigatory film, with Bond probing this mysterious threat, but the threat itself is so poorly defined until late in the day that there isn't a really pressing sense of danger, jeopardy and what's truly at stake.
 
Also, it unfolds in the style of a computer game like Uncharted, developing hugely episodically, stopping and starting. It moves from one location to the next, with a lot of talking heads delivering exposition before some furious action sequence button pressing, the level is complete, and we move on to the next location.
 
As to the other supporting cast? Again, it suffers the same problem as Skyfall, in that Bond tends to feel like the lead character in an ongoing ensemble TV series, reminiscent of Spooks. I long for the days when the likes of M, Q and Moneypenny were merely the comfortable, familiar framing devices for a story which sent Bond off largely on his own solo adventure.
 
Now it may seem that I'm very down on Spectre, but for all this I did enjoy it. The opening pre-titles sequence is one of the all-time best, there's some great casting, and a story that actually does hold together.
 
I just can't help but feel that the script should, and very easily could, have been so much better with some judicious editing and restructuring.
 
And while it's nowhere near as good as Casino Royale, it is, for me, a step-up over the style-over-substance entry Skyfall.
 
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Posted 06 November 2015 - 06:49 PM

Due to some personal problems, I fear I won´t have time to write a full review. That being said, I still can´t grasp why some people - and even some fans - are bashing this helluva brilliant film.

I would expected people who loved Connery, would love Craig in this; those who loved Lazenby (or OHMSS) would love SP; the Moore fans would rejoice; the Dalton fanatics would be trilled; and the Brosnan gen would adore it.

It is a quintissential Bond film. And it´s beautifully shot.

We´ve just become too critic; snobs, really. If this film came out after DUD we´d be over the roof. But now everyone is a critic. Every soul has to "like" or "dislike" something as if they would do better. We should feel lucky the Bond canon has reached this level of quality. People complain about the script, the music, the action, ... If I we had one, just one of SP´s action scenes in any other of the past Bond films, we´d be overjoyed. Even the soundtrack is great. Ok, in some scenes it´s unecessary - Bond´s aproach to the lake cabin as an example. But Newman conveys a scence of macabre and sinister with every note. And the grandeur of that choir... 

 

Bits I loved:

 

All of the ones people are mentioning: the pre-titles, ...

The rooms in the lair;

The asteroid bit;

The mouse interrogation;

Bond being a savate again: about the rolls (he always was a car guy), speaking latin while under torture, being fluent in italian, ...

 

Well, truth is, I loved every bit of the film. Every second. 

Hope I´ll get the time to write that full review. 



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Posted 06 November 2015 - 07:17 PM

Due to some personal problems, I fear I won´t have time to write a full review. That being said, I still can´t grasp why some people - and even some fans - are bashing this helluva brilliant film.
I would expected people who loved Connery, would love Craig in this; those who loved Lazenby (or OHMSS) would love SP; the Moore fans would rejoice; the Dalton fanatics would be trilled; and the Brosnan gen would adore it.
It is a quintissential Bond film. And it´s beautifully shot.
We´ve just become too critic; snobs, really. If this film came out after DUD we´d be over the roof. But now everyone is a critic. Every soul has to "like" or "dislike" something as if they would do better. We should feel lucky the Bond canon has reached this level of quality. People complain about the script, the music, the action, ... If I we had one, just one of SP´s action scenes in any other of the past Bond films, we´d be overjoyed. Even the soundtrack is great. Ok, in some scenes it´s unecessary - Bond´s aproach to the lake cabin as an example. But Newman conveys a scence of macabre and sinister with every note. And the grandeur of that choir...

Bits I loved:

All of the ones people are mentioning: the pre-titles, ...
The rooms in the lair;
The asteroid bit;
The mouse interrogation;
Bond being a savate again: about the rolls (he always was a car guy), speaking latin while under torture, being fluent in italian, ...

Well, truth is, I loved every bit of the film. Every second.
Hope I´ll get the time to write that full review.


Univex,
All I can say is "Bravo!"
I couldn't agree more.
I'm an old fart, lucky enough to be around since the beginning and a "Connery guy"....
This film was magnificent and Classic 007.
I do hope that Daniel will stay for at least one more......

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 08:31 PM

Having seen it, it's a decent flick.  It's well-acted, well-shot, there's some cool action bits, some nice callbacks, etc. However, I cannot help but be disappointed because I feel like this had the potential to be A LOT better.  It's just kind of decent, but no more than that.  I have three main problems with it:

 

Spoiler

 

I'd probably give it a 6.5-7/10.  Better than QOS, not as good as CR or Skyfall.


Edited by Silva25, 06 November 2015 - 08:32 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2015 - 08:45 PM

Just got home from seeing it myself... Absolutely LOVED IT!! I'll be doing a full review later on, so stay tuned..

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 11:34 PM

Having seen it, it's a decent flick.  It's well-acted, well-shot, there's some cool action bits, some nice callbacks, etc. However, I cannot help but be disappointed because I feel like this had the potential to be A LOT better.  It's just kind of decent, but no more than that.  I have three main problems with it:

 

Spoiler

 

I'd probably give it a 6.5-7/10.  Better than QOS, not as good as CR or Skyfall.

 

Those were exactly my thoughts when I watched it! Nice to hear a like-minded opinion :)


 

 

Finally, the day has arrived. Going to the 7pm showing tonight in the U.S.

 
What did you think of it? :)
 

I've got the day off tomorrow from work...I'm heading to the movie theatre right after breakfast..

 
Whoop whoop! Guess you'll be having three lightly scrambled eggs, bacon, a double Espresso with cream and half a pint of orange juice? ;)
Wow! Wow! Wow! Fabulous movie! Not only is the PTS my favorite so far but it may be my favorite Bond moment ever. The credit sequence was one of the best ever. The song worked very well with it. Not sure why people are hating on the score in general but it had moments that really shined. My son loved the movie. Walking out he could not stop talking about the Day of the Dead scene. I really liked our villain. The boardroom scene brought real drama.

Really brought the whole Craig era together. I was a bit worried about all the funny Moore moments but was surprised how restrained it was from where I thought it was headed. Looked like an art film in several spots. Holy cow! Just happy to have it in our series. Craig really owns the role now. He's moved ahead of Connery which is sacrilegious sounding now that I've said it.

Not real sure why so many negative reviews came about. Hinx is a flipping brute by the way.

 

 

Glad you loved it! And your son, too! :D

 

I avoided listening to the song until actually seeing the movie, and must say I think it works really well. It's growing on me a lot; I'll be seeing the film again tomorrow and hopefully it will grow on me too!

 

I really hope Craig has one more in him. As for the Connery-Craig debate...  ;)



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Posted 07 November 2015 - 12:49 AM

Having seen it, it's a decent flick.  It's well-acted, well-shot, there's some cool action bits, some nice callbacks, etc. However, I cannot help but be disappointed because I feel like this had the potential to be A LOT better.  It's just kind of decent, but no more than that.  I have three main problems with it:
 

Spoiler

 
I'd probably give it a 6.5-7/10.  Better than QOS, not as good as CR or Skyfall.

 
Those were exactly my thoughts when I watched it! Nice to hear a like-minded opinion :)

Finally, the day has arrived. Going to the 7pm showing tonight in the U.S.

 
What did you think of it? :)
 

I've got the day off tomorrow from work...I'm heading to the movie theatre right after breakfast..

 
Whoop whoop! Guess you'll be having three lightly scrambled eggs, bacon, a double Espresso with cream and half a pint of orange juice? ;)
Wow! Wow! Wow! Fabulous movie! Not only is the PTS my favorite so far but it may be my favorite Bond moment ever. The credit sequence was one of the best ever. The song worked very well with it. Not sure why people are hating on the score in general but it had moments that really shined. My son loved the movie. Walking out he could not stop talking about the Day of the Dead scene. I really liked our villain. The boardroom scene brought real drama.
Really brought the whole Craig era together. I was a bit worried about all the funny Moore moments but was surprised how restrained it was from where I thought it was headed. Looked like an art film in several spots. Holy cow! Just happy to have it in our series. Craig really owns the role now. He's moved ahead of Connery which is sacrilegious sounding now that I've said it.
Not real sure why so many negative reviews came about. Hinx is a flipping brute by the way.
 
Glad you loved it! And your son, too! :D
 
I avoided listening to the song until actually seeing the movie, and must say I think it works really well. It's growing on me a lot; I'll be seeing the film again tomorrow and hopefully it will grow on me too!
 
I really hope Craig has one more in him. As for the Connery-Craig debate...  ;)
takimg my son to another showing tonight. This time IMAX. He was all about seeing it again. I'm doing my part to get the next generation on board.

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Posted 07 November 2015 - 01:24 AM

The most exhilarating Bond film I've seen. I LOVED it from start to finish.

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Posted 07 November 2015 - 01:37 AM

Just got back. Loved it, much to discuss. I'll post after I get all my thoughts straight and let it all sink in. Well done.

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Posted 07 November 2015 - 01:38 AM

Fantastic to see the reactions coming in from the States. Great so many of you loved it too. 



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Posted 07 November 2015 - 01:49 AM

I too watched today and love it absolutely!

 

A good mix of action, drama and funny elements altogether, with a competent script that links all the scenes wonderfully.

 

I do feel, as other fellow CBn members that the motivations behind the villain's actions are a bit lame and disappointing.

 

But I had a great time!

 

it's a 8/10 for me

 

Well done EON



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Posted 07 November 2015 - 03:46 AM

SPECTRE is the most middle-of-the-road Bond movie that has ever existed. Not many egregious low points, but no real high points, either.

It's like a greatest hits album that's composed of so-so covers.

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Posted 07 November 2015 - 04:04 AM

Just got back myself (hello again everyone!). It was alright. Mid-range Bond if I had to describe it simply. There was no real sense of threat, nothing especially compelling from an emotional stand point, and apart from a few genuinely funny lines of dialogue nothing particularly interesting was really said by any of the characters. I appreciate how blunt the Blofeld reveal is, but I felt like Waltz was severely underserved by the screenplay. The best way to describe SPECTRE is to call it unbalanced. It works, just not as well as a few of a its predecessors. That said, I think it says a lot about what Daniel Craig has achieved in the role that something that I believe would have been viewed as incredibly high quality not that long ago feels a bit slight. I'll need to see it again. For now, I'm not so much disappointed as I am slightly underwhelmed. I'll have to give it more thought. It could have been better, but it also could have been a lot worse. In the end, I can't deny that I had fun. We'll see how it plays a second time.

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Posted 07 November 2015 - 07:54 AM

SPECTRE is the Bond film we asked for, but not the Bond film we deserve.  It's largely a return to formula--gunbarrel, henchman, gadget-laden car, humor, and, err, some 'pussy'.  The opening shot is of a giant skeleton chomping on a cigar at the Day of the Dead festival.  That symbolizes both the promise and the letdown in this film.  For all its symbolism of death, the ghost of Roger Moore's Bond pervades this film with a lightness that runs counter to the promised gravitas of Daniel Craig's rumored last Bond film.  This film's attempt to retcon the previous three into a larger narrative universe is admirable.  Indeed, Mr. White's presence overshadows that of one of the most famous Bond villains.  But to be fair, the films featuring that villain were not among Bond's best.  And neither is this one.

 

With SPECTRE, Eon has given up emulating Batman and Bourne, and finally decided to imitate Bond.  But it's not as original or revelatory as we hoped.  If you're looking for OHMSS or SF, look elsewhere.  Actually, it's not even as groundbreaking as GoldenEye.  It's executed better than QoS, but not as original.  But there are still enough twists on expected tropes to be entertaining.  Bond finally orders his classic martini, but at a health bar.  He gets the Aston Martin, but has to steal it from another agent.  For all the imagery in the marketing campaign, very few main characters die in this film.  Which is good, given the criticism of CR's and SF's female survival rates.  For the first time in a long time, here's a Bond film without an innocent sacrificial lamb.  But other than the opening PTS and the torture scene, there's not a lot new delivered in SPECTRE.  It's still better than most every Brosnan/Moore/Dalton film. 

 

But one thing missing from all DC Bond films is the villain's grand master plan.  They're short selling the stock market, stockpiling water rights, hacking computers, or cornering the market on big data presumably for some larger purpose, but what that is is never explained.  There's no Stromberg/Drax plan to repopulate the world, ransom demand ala TB/DAF/OHMSS, or geopolitcal reunification plans ala DAD/OP.  It's all about "authoring" Bond's pain now to satisfy some psycho drama. 

 

At this point, I'm not sure how they would segue into a Garden of Death story.  Or if they should.  Craig's Bond finally has a happy ending.  Madeline Swann may not be as interesting as Camille Montes, or have a chemistry with Bond, but neither did Michelle Yeoh.  That Craig's worst Bond film is better than half any of the other actors' entries speaks volumes for the uber quality of the Craig era.  It's enjoyable and fun, but shouldn't take itself as seriously as it does. 

 

At the end of the day, I enjoyed SPECTRE. Is it art or academy award worthy?  Probably not.  But is it Bond?  Yes, he's back!



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Posted 07 November 2015 - 05:20 PM

My two cents:

Pros:

- opening sequence -- I was breathless and didn't expect to be!

- the visuals -- very Ken Adam-esque, esp. the Morocco scenes

- the sense of it being an old-fashioned Bond adventure; it was the most classical/formulaic of the Craig Bonds, but I didn't mind it

- managed to sustain its running time without feeling like it dragged; well-paced overall

- I actually liked how Bond's mission led back to something seemingly unrelated introduced at the outset

 

Cons:

- the retcon overreach (I had watched "Skyfall" earlier that day and the retcon really cheapens it after the fact)

- everything seemed to happen too quickly, not just Bellucci, but we seemed to go from one place to another, one setup to another, without much weight carried.  Speaking of which:

- the film introduces some "big ideas" but doesn't take the time to develop them properly, so they don't really "land" (the family history, the reveal, the love story, Quantum/SPECTRE)

- lack of chemistry between Craig & Seydoux; made the ending less believable

- the finale: jumps around and, while I liked the

Spoiler
, it was just kind of "eh" overall; surprised they spent so much time on the boat/helicopter chase given
Spoiler

- the ending; yes, there's a reason for Bond to

Spoiler
, but not the reason Bond gives:
Spoiler

- seemingly no

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on the part of the villains; it all happens off-screen or in a previous movie

 

You could tell there were a lot of different hands on the script, and that they seemed to drift away from what the others had done rather than strengthened the ideas introduced by the others.

 

How the problems could've been fixed:

Spoiler

 

Thoughts?

 

Dave


Edited by rubixcub, 07 November 2015 - 05:23 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2015 - 06:32 PM

Overall, my reaction post seeing it yesterday evening was underwhelming. I wish I had enjoyed it more, and my comments listed below are focused on the negative aspects I walked away with. Once again, this is my opinion. My negative comments could be another's gold.

I require additional time to organize my positive takeaways. Like many of you, the film needs to permeate in my mind, and the many current positive points I do have will grow with time.

I appreciated the attempts to return to classic Bond. Unfortunately, these attempts were not as well done as the films they modeled from and began to mirror them too much (little nods here and there that became distracting, much like DAD).
I wished more of them had worked better. I do admire the honoring of the franchise.

Overall: the story was poorly executed/uneven/un-engaging/and void of emotion.

The color hue of the film was ugly, and while the cinematography had a few moments, overall, I though it was poor and distracting to the evident hard work and money put on the screen. Per example, the train fight scene was butchered.

Kinder's main titles sequence design was a negative for me, and the shirtless Craig was laughable.

Sam Smith's falsetto did not fit the tone of the film (despite their effort). This was largely ruined by my next comment.

There was NO charisma between Bond and the main Bond girl, most damaging for the belief that they deeply cared for each other.

Q's laughing in his opening scene with Bond was terribly forced.

Newman's score was void of much creativity. While he brought back portions of his Skyfall score to evoke similar emotions and situational callbacks, I found the continual retread distracting.

The film, rather unsuccessfully, tied in the previous Craig films.

Blofeld, (while portrayed well) had a terrible motive that is laughable and carries over the tone from the previous film in having a villain with a pitiful emotional grudge/bitterness resulting in a lack of suspense (fault I place on the new screenwriting participant of the last two films).

I did appreciate the effort on much of what they did.
For me, it is an Average/just below average Bond film. It pains me to say it, and I do admit I have a very high Bond standard/expectations.

I look forward to continuing to see every one else's thoughts.

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Posted 07 November 2015 - 06:45 PM

Boy, we saw different movies.

The PTS was the best of the series.
The title/song combo was top 10 easily. Probably top 5.
Q is really beginning to claim the role.
Bond and Madeline seemed on par with any other movie including Vesper.
The score had moments of brilliance. The PTS and Lucia's return home.
Hinx was a great henchman.
The lair was worthy.
Oberhauser was a spectacular villain with iconic lines.
That boardroom scene will go down as a truly great Bond moment.

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Posted 07 November 2015 - 07:26 PM

Finally saw Spectre (albeit in Spanish, so I could only understand ~75%). I must say, it is classic James Bond, through and through. I could easily see Sean Connery as Bond and Donald Pleasance as Bloferhauser in this film in 1967. The PTS may just be the series' best and that is saying a lot. The title song, while still not a plus for me, works in the film. I do admit that, I still don't buy the Bond/Madeleine relationship. It was too fast and didn't have the emotion of Bond/Vesper or Bond/Tracey. Waltz was superb, but criminally underused (as was Bellucci, but I expected that). I'll post a full review at another time, probably once I see the film in English. However, after one viewing I did enjoy it, though I would rank it behind Casino Royale and Skyfall for the Craig era, though I might still consider it top 10 overall.



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Posted 07 November 2015 - 07:43 PM

One more thought, if any other Bond actor were playing 007 it'd be a perfectly fine Bond movie.  It's just that Craig is miscast here in SPECTRE.  Humor and romance are not his strong suits.  Much like Moore trying to be Connery in TMWTGG or Dalton cast as Pierce Brosnan in TLD.  It's a good Bond movie, just not a great Craig Bond.



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Posted 07 November 2015 - 08:21 PM

From the outset, Daniel Craig's Bond was defined as a lost soul, and SPECTRE ambitiously attempts to conclude the journey of Daniel Craig's James Bond, to see him transcend the various tragedies that formed him (the loss of his parents, the loss of Vesper, the loss of M) and escape to a life that isn't dominated by violence. It's a worthy goal.

The problem is that the various storylines here never merge into a satisfactory whole. They all feel very disparate and detached, even as the story attempts to remind us again and again that SPECTRE is the threat uniting all of Craig Bond's major adventures.

The Oberhauser storyline actually brings nothing to the table in this regard precisely because it feels so under-emphasized. The idea that Bond is haunted by various ghosts--the ghosts of his parents, of Vesper, of M--is key to the story, and the attempt here is to reconfigure his arch-nemesis as a spectral figure from his past.

But, oddly enough, Oberhauser never connects on that level. It's not just a matter of a lack of exposition (though the film is fairly careless in that regard), since Skyfall didn't have much exposition about Bond's past, either, but still made the weight of Bond's past palpable. Instead, it's that the film never invests this relationship with any of the ghostly energy that the dialogue suggests it should have; Oberhauser is an intimidating figure, but more so as the leader of SPECTRE than as an intimate enemy of our protagonist.

The ghost of Vesper lingers here, too, and casts a long shadow over Bond's romance with Madeleine Swann, who is configured here as a new version of Tracy. Lea Seydoux performs admirably, but she's not given the space to develop the chemistry that Craig had with Eva Green. Instead, Swann and Bond's relationship is rather anemic, and the moments that should land as pivotal moments in Bond's arc--including a dinner conversation on a romantic train ride--feel light and inconsequential.

The face of Judi Dench's M reappears throughout the film, and the ruins of the old MI6 that the film shows over and over again are a metaphor for her passing. But if we are meant to feel pained by that, the story moves on too fast for us to feel any emotional resonance. It doesn't help matters that the the plotline about MI6 being swept away for a high-tech, surveillance state replacement never feels dramatically connected to Bond, in part because the stakes are never entirely clarified, and in part because that storyline is left to the rest of the MI6 crew (M, Moneypenny, Q, and Tanner) in a bunch of predictable, yawn-inducing scenes.

The one real upside here is Craig himself, who, as ever, delivers a totally assured performance as Bond. Here, he's clearly having more fun than he's ever had before in the role, and for the first time since the early sections of Casino Royale, we get a sense for how much Bond actually takes pleasure in his work.



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Posted 07 November 2015 - 09:24 PM

I think we're in need of a 'Rate SPECTRE Out of 10' thread.

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Posted 07 November 2015 - 09:33 PM

I think we're in need of a 'Rate SPECTRE Out of 10' thread.


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