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[seawolfnyy]

And yes, a full blown Bond theme moment during an action sequence would be nice.

 

I´ll always remember what a thrill went through the audience during the tank chase in "Goldeneye".  Craig deserves that too.

I love that scene.

 

 

Remember that trailer for TSWLM when Roger shoots and walks towards the camera? I think they should do something like that in future films. For example in Skyfall, it would've been quite cool for Craig to walk on, shoot, then have the gunbarrel and white background disappear to reveal he's in the hallway, still with his gun aimed at whatever it was. I bet Mendes is kicking himself for not doing that.

I don't think he is.

[Logie]

You're probably right.

[tdalton]

 

Remember that trailer for TSWLM when Roger shoots and walks towards the camera? I think they should do something like that in future films. For example in Skyfall, it would've been quite cool for Craig to walk on, shoot, then have the gunbarrel and white background disappear to reveal he's in the hallway, still with his gun aimed at whatever it was. I bet Mendes is kicking himself for not doing that.

I don't think he is.

 

 

I doubt he is either.

 

I don't get too caught up on what they do with the gunbarrel anymore.  As far as I'm concerned, it's just EON's studio logo that appears before the film (or after, as has been the case recently), much like MGM's lion or other such logos.

[Royal Dalton]

They could have easily put it at the beginning of the last one.

 

Gunbarrel opens up on an establishing shot of Istanbul. Cut to Craig in the corridor. Job done. 

[seawolfnyy]

I don't get too caught up on what they do with the gunbarrel anymore.  As far as I'm concerned, it's just EON's studio logo that appears before the film (or after, as has been the case recently), much like MGM's lion or other such logos.

 

Nor do I. I couldn't care less where the gunbarrel is. I've grown used to having it at the end.

[DamnCoffee]

Okay, so I've been told that...

 

Spoiler

It is at the start.

 

Which is great news. I hope they go with the Casino Royale gunbarrel. The best design for Craig so far. Would be nice to see it in complete form. 

[JCRendle]

Okay, so I've been told that...

 

Spoiler

It is at the start.

 

Which is great news. I hope they go with the Casino Royale gunbarrel. The best design for Craig so far. Would be nice to see it in complete form. 

 

Bathroom tiles and all?

[Agent 76]

I would love a gunbarrel similar to this one (my favorite) in terms of sound and looks. just perfect

 

[univex]

I second that, Agent 76. But maybe something made mechanically, without too much cgi?

[Agent 76]

I second that, Agent 76. But maybe something made mechanically, without too much cgi?

Exactly!

[The Dove]

Okay, so I've been told that...

Spoiler

It is at the start.

Which is great news. I hope they go with the Casino Royale gunbarrel. The best design for Craig so far. Would be nice to see it in complete form.

Great news! I'm wondering if they'll reshoot it completely or just rehash Craig's walk but redesign the gunbarrel graphic?

[JCRendle]

 

Okay, so I've been told that...

Spoiler

It is at the start.

Which is great news. I hope they go with the Casino Royale gunbarrel. The best design for Craig so far. Would be nice to see it in complete form.

Great news! I'm wondering if they'll reshoot it completely or just rehash Craig's walk but redesign the gunbarrel graphic?

 

 

Guessing they'll reshoot - the previous seemed rushed 

[univex]

It would be great if Van Hoytema could film it through an actual or sort of gunbarrel and improve it on post-production.

[rubixcub]

The Gunbarrel was going to be at the start of Skyfall, but Mendes felt that it would have ruined the affect of Bond coming out of the shadows in the opening scene - I think he wants the Gunbarrel at the start of SPECTRE though, as at the time of Skyfall's release, he did seem sorry not to have opened with it.

 

He could've used the gunbarrel at the beginning.  Instead of the gunbarrell opening up in a circle wipe to the first scene, he could've just shrunk it (like the first three Bond films) and then faded in like he did.

 

Dave

[plankattack]

I think I'm going to end up a bit of the contrarion on this one.

 

Gunbarrel: I honestly don't have a strong opinion. I loved the "cold" openings of all three DC-Bonds, though I'm not sure it completely works at the end. A knock-down last scene (CR, SF) with a blast of the Bond theme works just as well. I also don't remember when a bad film has been saved by the gunbarrel. All of Brozza's (except DAD) were great, but to be frank they won't make me watch TND, and won't make nearly everyone else watch TWINE! But, in the interest of "Peace in our time" - let's get it back at the front!

 

As for the theme....well, see above. But....that's providing it hasn't been used to death in the preceding 2 hours - most certainly the case with the two examples used. I do feel that Arnold's scores pre-reboot, ended up just blasting the theme at nearly every opportunity (what was it Jim said in his great 007th Minute Series "Look at me, I've got the theme"?).

 

I know most people don't agree, but I liked Newman's use of it in SF - a couple of killer moments (the reveal of the Aston and the red leather door), and Arnold in CR and QoS, just echoes of it at certain moments.

 

One of my favourite Barry scores is OHMSS - and with the exception of the PTS introducing the new actor, I think the theme comes strong just the one time - when Laz is sliding on his front. As the rest of the score is brilliant, it doesn't bother me. A bit like the gunbarrel, a bad score is a bad score - using the theme isn't going to change that.

 

So there's my contrarion view - not wedded to either! Start chucking stuff at me when you're ready.....    

[marktmurphy]

Remember that trailer for TSWLM when Roger shoots and walks towards the camera? I think they should do something like that in future films. For example in Skyfall, it would've been quite cool for Craig to walk on, shoot, then have the gunbarrel and white background disappear to reveal he's in the hallway, still with his gun aimed at whatever it was. I bet Mendes is kicking himself for not doing that.

 

Actually I really like that idea: having Bond be plonked into the film from the gunbarrel. 

[Twingolot]

I only hope the gunbarrel,design will look better than in QoS and SF. I think the QoS gunbarrel *concept* was quite interesting, feeling like Bond was saying 'the job is done, next mission please' (Bond walks out of the circle after firing, this is just a wonderful idea). The SF gunbarrel however is just a poor one. I would prefer not to have it at all than to get this poor designed gunbarrel, pushed at the end as if they did not know where to put it. Moreover the first shot of the movie did look like a gunbarrel.

[FlemingBond]

I would love a gunbarrel similar to this one (my favorite) in terms of sound and looks. just perfect

 

 

 

 

!! i can still remember sitting in the theater when the TND gunbarrel came up and it was so exciting to see Bond back in full swing again with the right music and all.

[coco1997]

Okay, so I've been told that...

 

Spoiler

It is at the start.

 

Which is great news. I hope they go with the Casino Royale gunbarrel. The best design for Craig so far. Would be nice to see it in complete form. 

Where did you hear this?

[Vauxhall]

I guess it can't be discussed outwardly here, but Matt's right.

[JCRendle]

I guess it can't be discussed outwardly here, but Matt's right.

 

It was supposed to be in Skyfall too. I'm not saying it won't be, but things do change.

[DamnCoffee]

As far as I'm concerned all they needed to make Skyfall's opening work with the gunbarrel was an establishing shot of Istanbul. It makes sense at the end so I don't have a problem with it not being at the beginning but with SPECTRE I assume they have an idea for an opening shot if it is at the start. 

[Royal Dalton]

Yes, it's a visual homage to Live and Let Die.

[Vauxhall]

I guess it can't be discussed outwardly here, but Matt's right.

 
It was supposed to be in Skyfall too. I'm not saying it won't be, but things do change.

Very true, but I'm willing to believe Mendes is determined to make this one work at most costs.

 

Yes, it's a visual homage to Live and Let Die.

Yep, and sounds great.

This is off-topic, but only occurred to me for the first time a couple of weeks ago that the DIE ANOTHER DAY gunbarrel opening refers back to THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS. Perhaps everyone else spotted this before, but took me 12 years.

[Matt Monro]

With SPECTRE and it's significance in the Bond universe, the gunbarrel at the beginning needs to kick it off. That was always the cool part of a Bond for me. While I might have known what to expect with each film or the PTS, there was just something about the twin circles passing across the screen and the theme and the iris down the barrel and seeing 007 stroll across and shoot from the hip followed by the blood. The fade and then shift and that first establishing shot. We were in 007's world for the next few hours.

 

I like to think that, for all our fan rants over the last few years for all the reasons stated, that EON know they owe us this one.

 

If not, I'll live but I will just be a little let down. That's just me though. 

 

I assure you, it's not just you.

It would be great if Van Hoytema could film it through an actual or sort of gunbarrel and improve it on post-production.

That's exactly how Binder shot his.

 

It's only when Brozza came along that CGI became a necessity.  A frightening warning of surfing to come, as it turned out...

 

I don't get too caught up on what they do with the gunbarrel anymore.  As far as I'm concerned, it's just EON's studio logo that appears before the film (or after, as has been the case recently), much like MGM's lion or other such logos.

 

Nor do I. I couldn't care less where the gunbarrel is. I've grown used to having it at the end.

 

I've grown used to having Republicans running my state and bringing the Federal government to a standstill.

 

Doesn't mean it's right, or that it can't be changed.  And the gunbarrel thing can be changed by one man waking up and realizing that he's making a James Bond film, and that the gunbarrel at the beginning is part of what maked it a James Bond film, no matter what Jacques Stewart or any of the rest of you say.

[tdalton]

Yes, because the two are of similar importance.

 

It's a quite hyperbolic to equate what the do-nothing party is doing to the United States with a creative decision (that really only concerns EON's own studio logo) made by Marc Forster, Sam Mendes, and EON Productions.

[Matt Monro]

 

I would love a gunbarrel similar to this one (my favorite) in terms of sound and looks. just perfect

 

 

 

 

!! i can still remember sitting in the theater when the TND gunbarrel came up and it was so exciting to see Bond back in full swing again with the right music and all.

 

The "right" music?  The "right" music didn't make an appearance until DAD.  It starts with the brass hits, not not the four notes.  It finishes with the guitar vamp, not with the very end of the theme.  Even when Goerge Martin did add the theme coda on LALD, he didn't screw with the rest.  Even Hamlisch got it half-right.

 

Nothing else gives the lie to Arnold's alleged worship of Barry more than his first two gunbarrels.

Yes, because the two are of similar importance.

 

It's a quite hyperbolic to equate what the do-nothing party is doing to the United States with a creative decision (that really only concerns EON's own studio logo) made by Marc Forster, Sam Mendes, and EON Productions.

 

 

Some people get passionate about movies.

 

It's quite hypocritical to criticize me as "hyperbolic" over something when you have over 10,000 posts in this forum.

[tdalton]

It's quite hypocritical to criticize me as "hyperbolic" over something when you have over 10,000 posts in this forum.

Nonsense.

[The Shark]

Ideally I'd like a modern equivalent of this, with each blast sounding like a punch to the face.

 

 

But if nothing else, I want it to be Newman's arrangment, not Arnold's.

[sharpshooter]

^ Yes, same. The DAF gunbarrel music is a thing of beauty.