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[Captain Tightpants]

Why is everyone so hung up on the early GOLDENEYE draft just because SKYFALL features a train?

[DominicGreene]

Why is everyone so hung up on the early GOLDENEYE draft just because SKYFALL features a train?

Because there is a guy with a chain/whip fighting Bond on top of a train.

[Captain Tightpants]

Which is proof of nothing. If I recall correctly, France's GOLDENEYE script had Bond driving his Aston along the top of/in front of (can't remember which) a magnetically-levitated train in the Channel Tunnel. A helicopter was also involved, as well as a carraige full of exotic sports cars. Aside from involving trains, I see no similarities between France's draft and SKYFALL.

[Shrublands]

Which is proof of nothing. If I recall correctly, France's GOLDENEYE script had Bond driving his Aston along the top of/in front of (can't remember which) a magnetically-levitated train in the Channel Tunnel. A helicopter was also involved, as well as a carraige full of exotic sports cars. Aside from involving trains, I see no similarities between France's draft and SKYFALL.

Exactly.

[DominicGreene]

Which is proof of nothing. If I recall correctly, France's GOLDENEYE script had Bond driving his Aston along the top of/in front of (can't remember which) a magnetically-levitated train in the Channel Tunnel. A helicopter was also involved, as well as a carraige full of exotic sports cars. Aside from involving trains, I see no similarities between France's draft and SKYFALL.

If I can recall correctly, I didn't mention the entire god damned sequence was the same, I was just speculating on that detail from the sequence.

[Captain Tightpants]

But suggesting that one tiny detail meant that SKYFALL had lifted parts of France's script?

Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. If I remember rightly, France's draft had Bond fighting the chain-wielding villain inside the train, because it was travelling at high speeds, and fighting on the roof would be impractical. The fight with the chain-wielding villain here is taking place on top of a slow-moving train (though as this is just rehearsals, the train will probably be moving a little faster in the film).

[Royal Dalton]

Does it really matter? We can discuss and speculate about whatever we like. The world isn't going to stop turning because of it.

[DominicGreene]

But suggesting that one tiny detail meant that SKYFALL had lifted parts of France's script?

Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. If I remember rightly, France's draft had Bond fighting the chain-wielding villain inside the train, because it was travelling at high speeds, and fighting on the roof would be impractical. The fight with the chain-wielding villain here is taking place on top of a slow-moving train (though as this is just rehearsals, the train will probably be moving a little faster in the film).

That's incorrect. Michael France directly states in his script, "ON TOP OF TRAIN - BOND AND SOMMELIER". He then goes on to describe the sequence. I just thought it was similar enough to note, so calm down.

[Captain Tightpants]

Well, that just proves how stupid France's draft was, since the train was supposedly magnetically-levitated and travelling at 300km/h.

[S K Y F A L L]

Where can I find this Goldeneye first draft I keep hearing about?

[killkenny kid]

Where can I find this Goldeneye first draft I keep hearing about?

http://hmssweblog.wo...prescient-plot/

[Leon]

Man, some people here have no idea what a pointlessly bad attitude they have towards other posters sometimes. It's completely unnecessary to come across so harshly when you're simply making a point - no differently to the way they were probably just making a little point on something themselves. When they feel attacked, it's often justified.

Don't take out all your own, personal hangups on other people - nomatter how good a point you may be making, it's still always going to display you as a mean, thoughtless smartass to others. Make points with kind respect, this isn't even a forum about anything real that actually matters.

[DominicGreene]

Well said, Leon. However, that sort of stuff is inevitable on forums.

[killkenny kid]

Man, some people here have no idea what a pointlessly bad attitude they have towards other posters sometimes. It's completely unnecessary to come across so harshly when you're simply making a point - no differently to the way they were probably just making a little point on something themselves. When they feel attacked, it's often justified.

Don't take out all your own, personal hangups on other people - nomatter how good a point you may be making, it's still always going to display you as a mean, thoughtless smartass to others. Make points with kind respect, this isn't even a forum about anything real that actually matters.

Indeed.

[JimmyBond]

Well, that just proves how stupid France's draft was, since the train was supposedly magnetically-levitated and travelling at 300km/h.

Especially when Ethan Hunt was on top of the trian in the first Mission: Impossible movie and he was having a hard time just holding on.

[Napoleon Solo]

For me, the most interesting thing about the early Michael France draft is how it anticipated real life events seven years before they happened. France turned in his first draft in 1994. You do the math.

[Jim]

Well said, Leon. However, that sort of stuff is inevitable on forums.

It doesn't have to be.

Captain Tightpants, for the nth bleedin' time, think carefully about how you express yourself here.

[Captain Tightpants]

My posts are, as they have always been, written in a completely neutral tone. I don't understand why people seem to think I go around bludgeoning other peoples' opinions simply because they disagree with my own. If you are reading my posts with anger or aggression or anything else in mind, then, well, you're reading them the wrong way.

[Jim]

Trouble is, old freckle, it's not just me "reading them the wrong way". The variety of other persons who seem to be reading them, universally, "the wrong way" tends to suggest that your method of expressing itself lends itself to a uniform interpretation amongst a broad cross-section of interests and apparent intellects.

Anyway, this is not an argument - whether you are sufficiently self-aware or not, you ARE pissing people off.

[Chief of SIS]

My posts are, as they have always been, written in a completely neutral tone. I don't understand why people seem to think I go around bludgeoning other peoples' opinions simply because they disagree with my own. If you are reading my posts with anger or aggression or anything else in mind, then, well, you're reading them the wrong way.

It's not an issue of opinions but the issue of reaction to neutral statements. The issue I believe comes from instances like the following:

Here is a question posed to the public:

Anyone here reminded of the guy with the chain in the original France Goldeneye script? I know we were discussing this before, but it appear he has some sort of chain looking object.

Here's the reaction:

Why is everyone so hung up on the early GOLDENEYE draft just because SKYFALL features a train?

I understand your frustration Captain, but please understand some other members' too. I, for one, couldn't care less, but since it seems you may not be fully understand where people are coming from, I thought I would lend a hand.

Edited by Chief of SIS, 23 March 2012 - 06:00 AM.

[Captain Tightpants]

Back on the actual topic, I'm glad France's draft has not been used. It's an absolute mess. For one, Bond and the Sommelier are fighting on top of a maglev train travelling at 200mp/h. It's never clear whether Bond drives the Aston Martin on top of, in front or, or alongside the train, and the direction of travel isn't even apparent. And the whole thing is just really difficult to visualise, since it never seems clear how Bond progresses through the train.

[S K Y F A L L]

Where can I find this Goldeneye first draft I keep hearing about?

http://hmssweblog.wo...prescient-plot/

Thank you killkenny kid.

[S K Y F A L L]

I've only read the first 10 pages until the title sequence but I see what a lot of you are talking about. I also made the Mission Impossible connection finding it some what similar. I googled Aston Martin DB5 top speed and it says it is 145 mph / 233 km/h. Although it is not the most realistic action scene I was still entertained by it. The part when Bond walks into the cart with all the high end cars, reminded me of the two DAD scenes also featuring the a high end car collection.

As for the Skyfall connection I guess we'll have to wait and see if there are many similarities or not. As far as I can tell there aren't many besides maybe the henchman fighting Bond using a chain. Bond doesn't drive a Beetle or the Caterpillar off the train does he? I wonder how all the Beetles fit into all of this.

[Captain Tightpants]

I'm guessing that the Beetle might be used as some kind of improvised ramp. The bridge in Adana where the jump takes places has a waist-high (at least) railing that Bond somehow needs to clear in order to jump off the side. Given the curve of the Beetle's rear end, it could conceivably be used as a ramp to launch the bike into the air.

[Vauxhall]

I'm guessing that the Beetle might be used as some kind of improvised ramp. The bridge in Adana where the jump takes places has a waist-high (at least) railing that Bond somehow needs to clear in order to jump off the side. Given the curve of the Beetle's rear end, it could conceivably be used as a ramp to launch the bike into the air.

I'd agree. I think there was a picture of some of the Beetles lined up on the train for filming, so I'd imagine they're being transported as part of the plot, and they're used an accessory in the action sequence.

[Captain Tightpants]

I can't imagine how transporting Beetles would be an inetgral part of the plot.

However, when news first broke of this sequence, it was suggested that Bond would jump the bike off the bridge, down onto the train. He would then cross the roof of the train and board a second train. From there, he would end up jumping into a body of water. If the scene remains unchanged, then I'm guessing that Bond is only after one of these trains, and the other is simply a means to an end. In which case, trying to cross a cargo train loaded with Beetles would make sense.

The other problem with using the Beetle as a jump is that, unless it was perpendicular to the railing on the bridge, Bond would not be able to use it as a ramp to jump onto a train. He'd no doubt hit it at an angle, in which case he would be forced to bail out of the jump and aim for the passing train while the bike overshoots the mark and crashes to the ground. That fails the reported description of the sequence, though it would nevertheless look great as Bond tries to time the jump perfectly.

[S K Y F A L L]

Good call. So Bonds riding a bike and uses the beetle as a ramp to jump onto the train right? I thought I heard he uses a bike.

Go go Barbie Mobile!

I just missed the previous post, my bad.

[Vauxhall]

Yes, I don't think the Beetles themselves will actually be crucial to the plot. I think it's more likely that they'll be just sitting quietly on the wagon being transported, and Bond will do something impressive in their immediate vicinity - as has been suggested by Captain T.

[Captain Tightpants]

Maybe he swpies them or barges them off with the front-end loader. When The Sun first ran the story about how EON was looking for used Beetles (which was such a weird story that there was no way they were making it up), they said that the owners would not be seeing them again.

[Napoleon Solo]

re whether Skyfall's script draws from any previous 007 scripts. The screenwriters certainly have that option. The original Moonraker script had the keel hauling sequence based on Live And Let Die. It ended up being saved for For Your Eyes Only. The original Moonraker script also had the mini-jet (actually two of them, one for Bond, one for Holly) and that got saved for Octopussy.

So if Logan, Purvis and Wade wanted to draw something from France's script, or anybody else's, they could. Eon owns the scripts Whether this has happened in the case of Skyfall, who knows?