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[QuantumOfRoyale]

So if she is the new Moneypenny, how many films do you think she'll do? Just the Craig films?

I expect as much. It seems like hereafter, each Bond will be getting his own continuity. At least that's the impression I've been getting...

[Pussfeller]

So if she is the new Moneypenny, how many films do you think she'll do? Just the Craig films?

I expect as much. It seems like hereafter, each Bond will be getting his own continuity. At least that's the impression I've been getting...

I would find that approach very sensible, as long as they don't feel compelled to begin each new era with a "rookie Bond" film, and instead just begin the new era in media res.

But just because there's a new continuity doesn't mean some old faces can't stick around, as Dench stuck around for Craig. I'm particularly thinking of Fiennes here. Given his relative youth and the nature of his role, he could stay with the franchise well after Craig has gone.

[S K Y F A L L]

So if she is the new Moneypenny, how many films do you think she'll do? Just the Craig films?

I expect as much. It seems like hereafter, each Bond will be getting his own continuity. At least that's the impression I've been getting...

I would find that approach very sensible, as long as they don't feel compelled to begin each new era with a "rookie Bond" film, and instead just begin the new era in media res.

But just because there's a new continuity doesn't mean some old faces can't stick around, as Dench stuck around for Craig. I'm particularly thinking of Fiennes here. Given his relative youth and the nature of his role, he could stay with the franchise well after Craig has gone.

I agree and I think the same goes for our new Q.

[Armand Fancypants]

Yes, but Fiennes' career is more considerable than that of both Bernard Lee and Robert Brown, and he's a fair bit younger than M.

Same goes for Whishaw vs Llewellyn, and Harris vs Maxwell. I think each new Bond having their own continuity certainly makes more sense from here on in.

[Pussfeller]

Yes, but there may be a new continuity largely populated by the same group of actors. Or would that be too confusing? To me, it seems preferable to recasting the entire crew whenever the role of Bond is recast.

[Vauxhall]

Yes, but there may be a new continuity largely populated by the same group of actors. Or would that be too confusing? To me, it seems preferable to recasting the entire crew whenever the role of Bond is recast.

Perhaps, yes, but I guess the producers may well be of the opinion that if they have the likes of Fiennes, Harris and Whishaw willing to stay in the franchise beyond Craig, they wouldn't want to lose actors of that calibre.

[Pussfeller]

Exactly. What are the chances they find another bunch of the same quality?

[Vauxhall]

Exactly. What are the chances they find another bunch of the same quality?

Just noticed I misread your initial post. We agree!

They would be extremely hard pressed to find another such talented group of actors.

[S K Y F A L L]

I like the recurring characters in the Craig films and hope that Tanner, Q, M and Felix can be used long after Craig. I think a lot of us assume the next transition between Bond actors will probably be like that of Connery to Moore with out an 'origin story.'

[SolidWaffle]

I don't think we'll reboot when Craig leaves. I also don't think the producers have even thought about this yet....It will likely come down to what the audience and critics think of these recurring characters. If there is a character that blleds over onto the next Bond, it'll be M, and perhaps Q.

[MkB]

With Craig signed for two more films, and B24 scheduled for 2014, I would say that the next transition should not happen before 5 years at least. Many things may happen during these years, so I do not think the producers have precise plans for that yet. If they can keep a talented cast on board from one Bond to another, I'm all for it. After all, it worked superbly for Judi Dench's M, and one must admit that it was a dangerous bet, especially with the reboot.

[JCRendle]

Dalton had his own Moneypenny, Brosnan had his own Moneypenny and a new M. Felix changed several times over the course of the films - you can change actors etc without 'rebooting".

[Pussfeller]

It will probably depend on how long the actors themselves feel like staying in the roles. Certainly I can't imagine a situation in which Ralph Fiennes is willing to stay and Eon is giving him the boot. And the same goes for Harris and Whishaw, who are as good as anyone else they might find to play those roles. The current producers have never been big on cleaning house. If I recall correctly, the only reason Samantha Bond didn't stay was because she herself felt uncomfortable with a younger Bond. In fact, I think Cleese was the only actor of whom we can say with certainty that he wanted to return but was denied the opportunity.

[Armand Fancypants]

Personally, the one thing I'd like each new Bond to do is to have his own Felix, and he "meets" Felix for the first time, seeing as though it's already the first introduction that's happened twice.

Unless you want to count Blofeld not recognising Bond, of course.

[Pussfeller]

Personally, the one thing I'd like each new Bond to do is to have his own Felix, and he "meets" Felix for the first time [...]

I agree, but for a different reason: Felix should always be the same age as Bond.

[Armand Fancypants]

Personally, the one thing I'd like each new Bond to do is to have his own Felix, and he "meets" Felix for the first time [...]

I agree, but for a different reason: Felix should always be the same age as Bond.

That too.

But then, I think that should apply to Tanner as well. Or Tanner should be slightly older.

[Vauxhall]

EDIT: Post referred to defunct individual.

[Levi David Tinker]

It will probably depend on how long the actors themselves feel like staying in the roles. Certainly I can't imagine a situation in which Ralph Fiennes is willing to stay and Eon is giving him the boot. And the same goes for Harris and Whishaw, who are as good as anyone else they might find to play those roles. The current producers have never been big on cleaning house. If I recall correctly, the only reason Samantha Bond didn't stay was because she herself felt uncomfortable with a younger Bond. In fact, I think Cleese was the only actor of whom we can say with certainty that he wanted to return but was denied the opportunity.

Was there ever a reason given as why to not bring back cleese? or was it just that after two movies with out mention of Q branch, they figured it was better to start with a clean slate?

[Levi David Tinker]

With Craig signed for two more films, and B24 scheduled for 2014, I would say that the next transition should not happen before 5 years at least. Many things may happen during these years, so I do not think the producers have precise plans for that yet. If they can keep a talented cast on board from one Bond to another, I'm all for it. After all, it worked superbly for Judi Dench's M, and one must admit that it was a dangerous bet, especially with the reboot.

Mind you this is only what i tell myself, but with Judi having continued on as M in Casino Royale, I kind of look at the first 4 actors as all playing the same agent who has the code name Bond,( since atleast one of their of each of their respective films has in someway made a point of referencing mourning in some manner of Tracy) with Daniel Craig I look at it as whether is be retirement or death of the Bond(s) we all no and love, Casino Royale introduces us to the NEXT agent who took on the code name Bond.(but again as i said I think 4 prior bonds actors are all the same agent)

Yeah its a stretch but its possible to look at that way with Dench's M continuing on into CR and the 2 subsiquent films. I think thats also partly why I want Q to be simply the newest Quartermaster and not a new take on Boothroyd. I allready look at Felix as being a code name as well. But like i said this is all just MY OWN personal interpritaiton.

Edited by Levi David Tinker, 26 October 2012 - 01:22 AM.

[DR76]

So . . . does that mean Eve goes from a field agent to a secretary? Does this also mean there was no sex between her and Bond?

[JCRendle]

with Daniel Craig I look at it as whether is be retirement or death of the Bond(s) we all no and love, Casino Royale introduces us to the NEXT agent who took on the code name Bond.(but again as i said I think 4 prior bonds actors are all the same agent)

Yeah its a stretch but its possible to look at that way with Dench's M continuing on into CR and the 2 subsiquent films. I think thats also partly why I want Q to be simply the newest Quartermaster and not a new take on Boothroyd. I allready look at Felix as being a code name as well. But like i said this is all just MY OWN personal interpritaiton.

It's an idea that has been banded about before, especially by DAD's director Lee Tamahori. I don't go for the codename theory myself - why give an agent a codename that is the criminal and terrorist underworld has become so well known rather than keeping their original name or making up a new name each time. Also

Spoiler

in Skyfall, we see Bond return to his family home - and we see the headstone of his parents in the family chapel. Whilst previous Bonds may have had the codename James Bond, Daniel's Bond is definitely Bond

[SecretAgentFan]

Agreed. While the code name theory would have made sense to explain different actors it never really worked with the psychology of the character. Why would Moore´s Bond still be sore when Anya mentions Tracy´s death if it was only Lazenby-Bond´s wife?

The cinematic Bond exists in several parallel realities.

[Vauxhall]

So . . . does that mean Eve goes from a field agent to a secretary? Does this also mean there was no sex between her and Bond?

1. Yes.
2. I believe so.

[univex]

The cinematic Bond exists in several parallel realities.

Ain´t metaphysics a b**ch.
But that´s a wonderful way of considering it.
I really never gave it more than two seconds of thought. Not really parallel, but maybe a serial alternate realities scenario. Oh boy, that was more than two seconds of thought. Fans are nuts. Even more nuts to even consider a Tamawhore related hypothesis.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

Spoiler

I loved the banter between Eve and Bond. It was witty and teasing and very remiscient of the old Sean-Lois banter. Gone are the crude dildo-jokes of the Brosnan era... Real Miss Moneypenny is back after 27 years of absense!

Edited by AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän, 26 October 2012 - 07:35 PM.

[Levi David Tinker]

Agreed. While the code name theory would have made sense to explain different actors it never really worked with the psychology of the character. Why would Moore´s Bond still be sore when Anya mentions Tracy´s death if it was only Lazenby-Bond´s wife?

The cinematic Bond exists in several parallel realities.

The way I was looking at it, was that Connery through Brosnan were in fact the same agent assigned the Bond Codename,(afterall like you said how can different agents code named Bond have memories of Tracy) and that some time after DAD, That agent either retired or was killed and that it was Daniel Craig's character who was promoted to the Bond code name. again it was a big stretch and it was just my personal way of not looking at Casino Royale as wiping out 40 years of cinematic Bond. But obviously with what is mentioned above about

Spoiler

Bond visiting his childhood home and the parents gravestone markers

thats obviously wont work anymore for my personal justifications lol oh well

Edited by Levi David Tinker, 27 October 2012 - 01:34 AM.

[Armand Fancypants]

Spoiler

If you'd told me ten years ago that we would one day see a film where Moneypenny shoots Bond off the top of a train, I'd have registered some degree of skepticism, to say the least...

[seawolfnyy]

I'm just going to say, I can't believe how wrong I was on this.

[Iceskater101]

Spoiler

If you'd told me ten years ago that we would one day see a film where Moneypenny shoots Bond off the top of a train, I'd have registered some degree of skepticism, to say the least...

Haha I agree. lol I love her in that role though, and I kind of don't want her to be in that role because I wanted her and Bond to have a thing!