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[seawolfnyy]

Interesting thought, does anyone think that Eve could be a double? And that she was the one who stole the drive from M? It could partly explain what she is doing in Istanbul before she shoots Bond in the PTS (assuming that is the PTS).

[Pussfeller]

I doubt it. I give twenty to one that Eve is honest, and that she survives the film. Here's why: There are two Bond girls, Severine and Eve. Rumor strongly suggests that Severine will die. Given that Skyfall is supposed to be "Bond-with-a-capital-B", presumably Bond will end the film in the company of a comely lady. Who will this be, if not Eve?

[seawolfnyy]

I do believe that one of them will not survive the film. However, I actually feel that Eve is the one to get the proverbial axe. Naomie Harris describes her as thinking she's Bond's equal, but is really his junior. This leads me to believe that she will do something incredibly stupid and get killed. But we also know that the leaking of the names is an inside job and there has to be a mole to allow MI6 to be bombed. So if Ralph Fiennes is set to be the new M, then who else in the cast could potentially be the mole. I don't believe Severine is affiliated with MI6 and Silva is supposed to a Spaniard, so who does that leave but Eve?

[TheSilhouette]

Spoiler

As far as I know there isn't really a mole. The drive was stolen by Patrice and he got away with it after Eve misses him and shoots Bond off the train, He's the one who uploads the agents photos to Youtube. The bombing is a result of Silva being a world class hacker, and hacking into M's computer, locking out the safety protocols, and turning on the gas in the Mi6 building. You're right in that Eve does something pretty stupid (shooting Bond accidentally), but she is the surviving Bond girl. Severine is shot by Silva on his island (which is spoiled in the trailer if you pay close attention). Severine has less screentime than most people are probably anticipating.

Edited by TheSilhouette, 29 August 2012 - 07:25 AM.

[thecasinoroyale]

I hope she's not an insider, we've had enough 'moles' and 'traitors' already for Bond I think, so it'd be nice for a while just to have a clear definition of the good and bad guys. I know nothing can ever BE clear, but most times it's too obvious who the traitors are and always a bit of a cheap way out of a situation for them to do anything.

Fingers crossed she's 100% good!

[Vauxhall]

Patrice steals the drive from Ronson, the agent seen slumped in an armchair in the trailers. Eve and Bond are tasked with recovering the drive. I imagine the producers will be hoping Eve will return in future instalments.

[Shrublands]

Patrice steals the drive from Ronson, the agent seen slumped in an armchair in the trailers. Eve and Bond are tasked with recovering the drive. I imagine the producers will be hoping Eve will return in future instalments.

I think it’s interesting that Ronson slumped in that chair is not dead, it seems Bond finds out from M that Ronson ‘didn’t make it’ later.

I suspect that Ronson has some important information to impart to Bond, otherwise the filmmakers would just have had him sitting there dead and the disc stolen.

I think this is going to be something a bit more cryptic and evocative than say, “someone has stolen the disk,” we see Bond finding that out for himself anyway.

I’d say it’s something more far reaching and connected with Silva and why he’s doing this. Possibly a mention of the word ‘Skyfall’ too, after all it is that image of Ronson slumped in the chair that seems to be triggered by the assessors mention of ‘Skyfall’.

[SecretAgentFan]

I still suspect that EVE will be getting the nickname "Moneypenny" at some time in the film. And this is the way the character will be re-introduced: as a field agent.

[thecasinoroyale]

Have to say, this Moneypenny rumour, although de-bunked a few times, I still think it's possible and there will be an introduction of her character.

Tempted to think it's Eve, but I can't say yet, but it would make great chemistry between them both and have a more believeable rapport between them both in their careers.

[S K Y F A L L]

Spoiler

As far as I know there isn't really a mole. The drive was stolen by Patrice and he got away with it after Eve misses him and shoots Bond off the train, He's the one who uploads the agents photos to Youtube. The bombing is a result of Silva being a world class hacker, and hacking into M's computer, locking out the safety protocols, and turning on the gas in the Mi6 building. You're right in that Eve does something pretty stupid (shooting Bond accidentally), but she is the surviving Bond girl. Severine is shot by Silva on his island (which is spoiled in the trailer if you pay close attention). Severine has less screentime than most people are probably anticipating.

I feel that is dead on.

I still suspect that EVE will be getting the nickname "Moneypenny" at some time in the film. And this is the way the character will be re-introduced: as a field agent.

I thought that too at the beginning of production but I don't that she would go from field agent to desk clerk so easily and since they are already re-introducing Q I think they''ll save Moneypenny for Bond24. I'm betting Bond sleeps with Eve, so do you think Bond sleeps with Moneypenny before she is Moneypenny?

[Shrublands]

I still suspect that EVE will be getting the nickname "Moneypenny" at some time in the film. And this is the way the character will be re-introduced: as a field agent.

I don't think they'll turn it into a nickname - why would they?
If anything, Moneypenny will be Eve's surname - notice how we've never been told her second name.
"Let's keep our relationship profesional from now on Commander Bond,' says Eve, using Bond's title for the first time.
"Yes, Miss Moneypenny."

[SecretAgentFan]

Alright with me.

[Shrublands]

I think the above (or similar) could work well and wouldn't surprise me at all.

[PPK_19]

I think it's pretty obvious that Eve is Moneypenny. To us anyway.

For the average movie-goer who hasn't been keeping up with every minute detail, it'll be a nice surprise to see that the black field agent who shot 007 is actually his latent admirer.

[Shrublands]

As a point of interest, we all know that Eve gives Bond that sensual looking shave, but do we know if the characters have sex or not after that?

Because, from what I know about the way the scenes play out in the rest of the film, either that shave leads to their sex scene or they will not get another chance, well, not in Skyfall.

[DamnCoffee]

I'm willing to bet they don't have sex. The shave could lead to Bond wanting it, definately. But for the purpose of the characters, Bond and Moneypenny never will have sex, and his is based on the fact that the sexual tension will be very high in the office. If Bond and Moneypenny have already had sexual contact, then that will take away all the innocent flirting.

I think it's set up so Bond came very close to have sex with her, but then didn't. Making the sexual tension between them higher in future movies.

[Shrublands]

I'm willing to bet they don't have sex. The shave could lead to Bond wanting it, definately. But for the purpose of the characters, Bond and Moneypenny never will have sex, and his is based on the fact that the sexual tension will be very high in the office. If Bond and Moneypenny have already had sexual contact, then that will take away all the innocent flirting.

I think it's set up so Bond came very close to have sex with her, but then didn't. Making the sexual tension between them higher in future movies.

Exactly, this is sort of what I was getting at.

So, if Eve's surname is Moneypenny (and I think it is) that night in Macau they almost do but don't - yes, I'd be happy that being the characters' background.

[Matt_13]

Could make for a bit of fun in the next film. After the PTS Bond is out to dinner with Eve and they are about to jet off to his place when something urgent..........comes up. Ha. In any event, the film could conclude with a permanent agreement of spoken tension, but no contact between the two.

[SecretAgentFan]

Of course, with Eve doing what she does to Bond in the PTS, it would be a very interesting backstory for their ongoing attraction.

[Matt_13]

The only person who has successfully shot James Bond.

[MkB]

I don't think they'll turn it into a nickname - why would they?
If anything, Moneypenny will be Eve's surname - notice how we've never been told her second name.
"Let's keep our relationship profesional from now on Commander Bond,' says Eve, using Bond's title for the first time.
"Yes, Miss Moneypenny."

Not sure I believe Eve is Moneypenny, but if we go there... As a field agent in MI6, she wouldn't be "Miss" to Bond but some rank, wouldn't she? Therefore they would address each other either as:
- "James / Eve" (probable case in "real life" - no comment - but has the major inconvenient of not mentioning Moneypenny's name), or
- "Commander Bond / Lieutenant Moneypenny" (horribly formal for people who've had such a close shave), or
- "Bond / Moneypenny" (I would put my money on this one... to the last penny),
don't you think?

[Shrublands]

Miss and Mr or Commander and Lieutenant, either would do.

In my hypothesis the formality is a joke. Sort of ironic all things considered and it gets them to say their surnames.

[Pierce - Daniel]

I think its likely that Eve may be a codename or it is possible Eve is merely the name they are giving out to the fans and the press at the moment. It makes sense that Eve will turn out to be Moneypenny, I mean look at Goron-Levitt in TDKR.
I think its a real neat touch for the franchise to reintroduce Moneypenny by making her the lead Bond girl in a movie, too often the character has been forced into the background. Its rather a bold move to re-interpret her as a field agent and place at the centre of the movie.

[seawolfnyy]

I can see all of your points. I am still not entirely convinced. But if it is the case, would her essentially taking a demotion to a desk job from field agent be the result of her failing to recover the drive and M's supposed death?

[Pierce - Daniel]

The more I see of SF, the more concerned I have become about the Bond girls. Severine we know is the secondary Bond girl and likely only appears during the segment of movie taking place in China. This would then make Eve the main Bond girl, however it looks as though Eve will only be involved in the movie's opening sequence and then somehow she will meet with Bond in China, but after that it looks as though Harris is next on screen to meet Bond on the rooftop, which we know is either the last shot of the movie or something very near the end.
Do we know if Eve's presence is felt a little more during the course of SF? Is she involved in the Whitehall scenes or even the scenes set in Scotland, its highly unusual for a Bond girl not to be involved in the finale. Or maybe we're all got it wrong and Judi is the main Bond girl this time, M and 007 finally hook up.

[TheSilhouette]

The more I see of SF, the more concerned I have become about the Bond girls. Severine we know is the secondary Bond girl and likely only appears during the segment of movie taking place in China. This would then make Eve the main Bond girl, however it looks as though Eve will only be involved in the movie's opening sequence and then somehow she will meet with Bond in China, but after that it looks as though Harris is next on screen to meet Bond on the rooftop, which we know is either the last shot of the movie or something very near the end.
Do we know if Eve's presence is felt a little more during the course of SF? Is she involved in the Whitehall scenes or even the scenes set in Scotland, its highly unusual for a Bond girl not to be involved in the finale. Or maybe we're all got it wrong and Judi is the main Bond girl this time, M and 007 finally hook up.

Eve is also in the Board of Inquiry sequence.

[Pierce - Daniel]

But do we know in what capacity? Also how involved is she in the segment based in China, do her and Bond set off together, are they both tailing Patrice?

[TheSilhouette]

But do we know in what capacity? Also how involved is she in the segment based in China, do her and Bond set off together, are they both tailing Patrice?

I believe she's involved in the shootout that takes place, and as for China

Spoiler

She isn't involved in tailing Patrice, because Eve reunites with Bond in Macau, and by then Bond had already killed Patrice in Shanghai (He's the one who falls out of the skyscraper window.

Edited by TheSilhouette, 20 September 2012 - 04:22 AM.

[TheSilhouette]

Spoiler

Severine is shot by Silva on his island (which is spoiled in the trailer if you pay close attention). Severine has less screentime than most people are probably anticipating.

Severine is not showed getting shot in either trailer. Just because the villian fires a weapon doesn't mean someone got shot. Most evil bond girls die anyway. How in the world do you know how much screentime she has? You have no inclination. I bet she is in more then half the film probably longer then eve.

Spoiler

Well I have a breakdown of just about all the scenes with from the call sheets. Silva shoots her there. You see her tied to the rock he's pointing the gun at when he's walking Bond over.

I wouldn't be saying these things if I didn't have any way to back them up.

Edited by TheSilhouette, 20 September 2012 - 05:06 AM.

[Shrublands]

How can he show you dozens of call sheets?

And by the way, it is strictly against the rules of this forum to post documents such as script pages, call sheets and storyboards here.

I've seen this evidence too, along with storyboards, and what The Silhouette is describing is true.