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#1 Shrublands

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:18 AM

I would have bet money that the Whitehall rooftop is the end of Skyfall, but perhaps not...
Is there is a clue on Dennis Gassner’s production design wall?

To his left (our right) there are 5 images in the bottom row. The first, nearest him, is clearly the inside of the chapel (scene 171). Next, there is a photograph that could well be the view from the Whitehall rooftop (scene 172). But there are 3 images after this (and the wall layout does seem to be in the order of the film)

Next, there seems to be a floor plan that shows two rooms, the one adjacent to the other.
Last, there are two photos or drawings, one above the other. It’s not very clear - but could they be of the traditional (pre-90s) M’s office?
It could be quite a way to end the 50th anniversary film, with Craig as Bond standing in M’s office from the beginning of Dr No.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:42 AM

I'd welcome that for sure - it would be unexpected, but warmly recieved to have Bond back in a new office for M ready for the next chapter in his future.

Good eyes for spotting that, and a nice idea!

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:00 PM

I suppose it would make sense to go back to the old office once the threat to MI6 has passed. And maybe even introduce a new Miss Moneypenny at the same time?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:17 PM

I suppose it would make sense to go back to the old office once the threat to MI6 has passed. And maybe even introduce a new Miss Moneypenny at the same time?



I’m thinking a new M and possibly Moneypenny too.
There are gaps on that character list and it was foxy enough to call Q ‘B’.
The Vauxhall Cross building could have been written-off completely and the underground bunker is probably only a temporary HQ. The scene before this hypothesis, does take place on a Whitehall roof that could well be that of the old style M’s office.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:29 PM

That would be pretty cool for sure. I've never been a big fan of the over-modernistic offices of the later films (everything from GE onwards I think). There's something very Bondian about that old office, with the double leather doors, etc.

#6 Matt_13

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:23 PM

That is really, really interesting. I'd be all for that. Might be a bit more upbeat, too.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:45 PM

I’m thinking a new M and possibly Moneypenny too.
There are gaps on that character list and it was foxy enough to call Q ‘B’.


Yeah, true. There's a character in that list called, I think, Vanessa (M's Assistant). That could be another B-style pseudonym.

I'm still not 100% convinced that they'll kill Dench's M off, though.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:52 PM

I'm still not 100% convinced that they'll kill Dench's M off, though.


I'm not sure if I am yet either, it is believable though..

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:33 PM

That would be pretty cool for sure. I've never been a big fan of the over-modernistic offices of the later films (everything from GE onwards I think). There's something very Bondian about that old office, with the double leather doors, etc.


I second that. It's getting TOO modern and futuristic now with all the technology seen in 'Quantum Of Solace', all those touch-screen swipey monitors and almost utopian white/glass/computer walls.

Bring back some earthy colour to the office...it's MI6 for gods sake, not the Death Star!

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:54 PM

I wouldn't mind if the film ended on the roof top with some soft music into the credits before 'JAMES BOND WILL RETURN' came up. To get a title of Bond 24 is wishful thinking. I just don't wont to hear the Bond theme again but I'm not to worried about it.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:11 PM

I would have bet money that the Whitehall rooftop is the end of Skyfall, but perhaps not...
Is there is a clue on Dennis Gassner’s production design wall?

To his left (our right) there are 5 images in the bottom row. The first, nearest him, is clearly the inside of the chapel (scene 171). Next, there is a photograph that could well be the view from the Whitehall rooftop (scene 172). But there are 3 images after this (and the wall layout does seem to be in the order of the film)

Next, there seems to be a floor plan that shows two rooms, the one adjacent to the other.
Last, there are two photos or drawings, one above the other. It’s not very clear - but could they be of the traditional (pre-90s) M’s office?
It could be quite a way to end the 50th anniversary film, with Craig as Bond standing in M’s office from the beginning of Dr No.


Holy crap. That totally looks, exactly, like M's old office. The familiar, leather soundproof door seems pretty visible - unless my brain is just looking for the patterns and imagining the similarity.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:34 AM


I would have bet money that the Whitehall rooftop is the end of Skyfall, but perhaps not...
Is there is a clue on Dennis Gassner’s production design wall?

To his left (our right) there are 5 images in the bottom row. The first, nearest him, is clearly the inside of the chapel (scene 171). Next, there is a photograph that could well be the view from the Whitehall rooftop (scene 172). But there are 3 images after this (and the wall layout does seem to be in the order of the film)

Next, there seems to be a floor plan that shows two rooms, the one adjacent to the other.
Last, there are two photos or drawings, one above the other. It’s not very clear - but could they be of the traditional (pre-90s) M’s office?
It could be quite a way to end the 50th anniversary film, with Craig as Bond standing in M’s office from the beginning of Dr No.


Holy crap. That totally looks, exactly, like M's old office. The familiar, leather soundproof door seems pretty visible - unless my brain is just looking for the patterns and imagining the similarity.

Bloody hell, same here. Thumbs up if they do that.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:07 AM

It would totally fit with Mendes' comments about SKYFALL making a kind of "loop" with DR. NO.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:13 AM

Harms! Long time no see. Where did you read that Mendes comment?

Also, that floor plan really looks like the old office. I´m now wishing it to be true, although I was quite disapointed to hear that Bond´s flat won´t be in the film, so I´m prepared to be disapointed now with the old M´s office not showing up.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:36 AM

Harms never left.

although I was quite disapointed to hear that Bond´s flat won´t be in the film


Where did you hear that?

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:43 AM

Harms never left.

although I was quite disapointed to hear that Bond´s flat won´t be in the film


Where did you hear that?


I´ve heard that what we assumed was Bond´s flat, is really M´s flat. Heard it from the people who read some "pages". They got the intire film timeline in order. That being said, I´d love it if they were wrong. Been wishing to see Bond´s flat for a long time.

#17 Royal Dalton

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:54 AM

I'm sure Shrublands is right and it is the old office. The position of the two windows, the door and the desk are too similar for it to be anything else.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:45 AM

Plus, isn't there at second 56 in the blog a sample of old M's door in the background ?

#19 Shrublands

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:47 AM

It would totally fit with Mendes' comments about SKYFALL making a kind of "loop" with DR. NO.



Thanks Harms! I thought I’d imagined that, I talked to Vauxhall about this yesterday, but didn’t put anything here because I just wasn’t certain.


Plus, isn't there at second 56 in the blog a sample of old M's door in the background ?



Very well spotted – Thank you so much too. That certainly looks very much like a bit of the traditional, leather upholstered door to M’s office.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:06 AM

I've found the DR NO reference; it's from the feature in French magazine Studio Ciné Live, and the translated summary refers to Mendes wanting "to explore the roots of MI6, as to make a loop with DR NO."

#21 Shrublands

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:20 AM

I've found the DR NO reference; it's from the feature in French magazine Studio Ciné Live, and the translated summary refers to Mendes wanting "to explore the roots of MI6, as to make a loop with DR NO."


Very interesting - thanks!
What do you make of that?

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:54 AM


I've found the DR NO reference; it's from the feature in French magazine Studio Ciné Live, and the translated summary refers to Mendes wanting "to explore the roots of MI6, as to make a loop with DR NO."


Very interesting - thanks!
What do you make of that?

I feel some of it may have been slightly lost in translation, but the basic sentiment is probably correct. In which case, I think it could be referring in quite broad terms to the introduction of a new M, Q and Moneypenny.

#23 Shrublands

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:51 PM



I've found the DR NO reference; it's from the feature in French magazine Studio Ciné Live, and the translated summary refers to Mendes wanting "to explore the roots of MI6, as to make a loop with DR NO."


Very interesting - thanks!
What do you make of that?

I feel some of it may have been slightly lost in translation, but the basic sentiment is probably correct. In which case, I think it could be referring in quite broad terms to the introduction of a new M, Q and Moneypenny.



Yes, and from what I know of the order of the scenes, a new M could only figure after scene 172.
Which also supports the above, I think.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:52 PM

That would definitely put a chill down the spine at the end of a very iconographic film. Would rival with CR I suppose.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:12 PM




I've found the DR NO reference; it's from the feature in French magazine Studio Ciné Live, and the translated summary refers to Mendes wanting "to explore the roots of MI6, as to make a loop with DR NO."

Very interesting - thanks!
What do you make of that?

I feel some of it may have been slightly lost in translation, but the basic sentiment is probably correct. In which case, I think it could be referring in quite broad terms to the introduction of a new M, Q and Moneypenny.

Yes, and from what I know of the order of the scenes, a new M could only figure after scene 172.
Which also supports the above, I think.

Agreed. Perhaps a surprise bit of casting will emerge, although I'd be very impressed if they kept a new M under wraps until October.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:22 PM

Yes, I'd be impressed too. But it could happen.

I feel certain that Dench-M dies, and think Fiennes- M is misdirection. So that only gives us a surprise casting.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:56 PM

I´m still secretly hoping that Mallory is code for Miles Messervy and that Fiennes will stay as M from Skyfall onwards. They could end the 50th anniversary Bond as the 40th anniversary one ended (blah...DAD sucked), with a Moneypenny scene or something of the sorts.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:46 PM

It's interesting that they called him Mallory, though. Since it's a name that's usually associated with British heroism.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:53 PM

It's interesting that they called him Mallory, though. Since it's a name that's usually associated with British heroism.

Off the top of my head, the one Mallory I remember from the films is Captain Mallory, played by Gregory Peck, in The Guns of Navarone. Would you care to enlighten me about the ones related to British heroism RD? Thanks in advance.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:58 PM


It's interesting that they called him Mallory, though. Since it's a name that's usually associated with British heroism.

Off the top of my head, the one Mallory I remember from the films is Captain Mallory, played by Gregory Peck, in The Guns of Navarone. Would you care to enlighten me about the ones related to British heroism RD? Thanks in advance.

George Mallory