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[Skylla]

 

 

I, for one, preferred that Skyfall wasn't as action packed. I can't stand that Bond has evolved into some sort of one-man army commando. The man is supposed to an intelligence operative, a counter-spy/assassin. I'd prefer a return to the thriller format of the early films and the novels. Or at the very least, they need to shy away from big, old-fashioned set pieces. I found there to be such a huge disconnect between those in Casino Royale and the rest of the movie. Give us more stuff like the Stairwell fight in CR or the Macau Casino fight and less stuff like the African foot chase or the Miami Airport sequence in CR. Those sort of big set-pieces need to be earned, That is why I loved the final shootout in Skyfall so much. It was pay-off. It felt big and grand because the movie wasn't overloaded with huge set pieces. That was the key with the Fleming books too. The plotting, suspense and character building sucked you in the so the bigger, more fantastical sequences felt natural and satisfying. That's how we got away with things like fights with giant squids!

Absolutely bloody right! They had the perfect moment with the reboot after the ott DAD to make the perfect Thriller and killed it with two leftovers from the old days. And I never can forgive that they missed out the opportunity to start with the perfect beginning of the novel (they could have started with the beginning of the book and made the beginning of the film flashbacks while Bond is in the Casino. Even in b/w, and go to colour when he kills Dryden). 

 

They could've, but I love how they started the film. That whole sequence is just classic Bond. Granted, a lot of the first hour is just filler until Bond gets to Montenegro, but the beginning is just great.

 

Yeah, that´s what makes it so sad. They made such a promising start but then it feels like you watch 2 different films. I even had nightmare flashbacks of Roger Moore crawling around on a fire truck (and Eva Green looking like a raccoon for half of the film, with probably the worst make-up ever. But that´s a different story). It´s the old LTK problem. With both films they were not ready to make the big step to a real gritty reboot, so Dalton had to do leftovers of the Moore era which really stood out like a sign in the most brutal bond film to this day. And Craig had to carry the burden of two old fashioned set pieces, which look like they were not cool enough for TLD or Goldeneye. So after the billion dollar bond I hope we can avoid another DAD and are on the way for another FRWL/FYEO mix, without Bibi Dahl and pleeeaaase no revenge/personal angle BS. Just one man on a mission, Ah, I miss the early Connery days....

[seawolfnyy]

If Mendes comes back, expect there to be some sort of personal angle. He'll want some form of character development for Bond.

[Skylla]

If Mendes comes back, expect there to be some sort of personal angle. He'll want some form of character development for Bond.

Some good old fashioned Gary Cooper/Clint Eastwood-like character development through an almost impossible Sisyphus mission would be good enough for me. The "this time it´s personal" angle all through out since LTK becomes a little bit boring. 

[L4YRCAKE]

 

If Mendes comes back, expect there to be some sort of personal angle. He'll want some form of character development for Bond.

Some good old fashioned Gary Cooper/Clint Eastwood-like character development through an almost impossible Sisyphus mission would be good enough for me. The "this time it´s personal" angle all through out since LTK becomes a little bit boring. 

 

 

Some sort of character development definitely needs to happen in the next one and beyond.   That's the conundrum of Bond though, he's so simple a character that too much development would not necessarily be good for him, yet some needs to happen.  Bond should always be like a shark; if he stops moving, he'll die.  

[Iceskater101]

Yeah I agree with some character development but not too much. That's a fine line..

[JimmyBond]

Yeah I agree with some character development but not too much. That's a fine line..

 

I felt Skyfall did a good job of not crossing that line. We got a few glimpses into Bond's past, but nothing too major. Plus it wasn't Bond who really spoke of his past anyways, it was both M and Kincaid.

[The Shark]

As I've said before, I want to see Craig's Bond in top form. No rookie mistakes, mourning, shoulder injuries, psych tests, or being disillusioned with the service. Maybe some boredom at his MI6 office (see the chapter "Night Duty" from Fleming's GOLDFINGER), but not much more.

[sharpshooter]

As I've said before, I want to see Craig's Bond in top form. No rookie mistakes, mourning, shoulder injuries, psych tests, or being disillusioned with the service. Maybe some boredom at his MI6 office (see the chapter "Night Duty" from Fleming's GOLDFINGER), but not much more.

That I agree with. 

[SecretAgentFan]

Same here.

[thecasinoroyale]

Yeah, I'd like to see Craig's Bond sharing good screentime with staff at MI6 - rather than in a bunker or under evaluation. On form, having a decent de-brief of a threat / villain and getting all the intel possible before heading out. Those scenes were small and few in the golden era but still great to set the scene for the adventure coming up, and helped form the bond between...Bond, and his allies.

[Iceskater101]

 

Yeah I agree with some character development but not too much. That's a fine line..

 

I felt Skyfall did a good job of not crossing that line. We got a few glimpses into Bond's past, but nothing too major. Plus it wasn't Bond who really spoke of his past anyways, it was both M and Kincaid.

 

 

Yeah I think it was just enough.

[Vauxhall]

Probably ridiculously and embarrasingly late to noticing this, but great to see a separate BOND 24 sub-forum on here. Can't wait until we start hearing some tidbits and the production cycle starts all over again.

[Simon]

Edit: Not sure how what I said here was posted here...

 

Now moved to the Tabloid Trash thread, for those who were confused by seemingly random ramblings.

[Aisforauric]

Yeah, I'd like to see Craig's Bond sharing good screentime with staff at MI6 - rather than in a bunker or under evaluation. On form, having a decent de-brief of a threat / villain and getting all the intel possible before heading out. Those scenes were small and few in the golden era but still great to set the scene for the adventure coming up, and helped form the bond between...Bond, and his allies.

That's a really great point. I love the briefing scene in Thunderball, carried out in sumptuous surroundings with the other 00's appearances almost hidden except the odd side profile. The scene has always reminded me of nine knights arranged in a semi-circular shape like part of the round table.

 

On the subject of briefings, I also think Steven Berkoff's scene-stealing performance in Octopussy where he's pushing for a Russian assault across Europe is brilliantly done, and again sets the storyline up very nicely.

Edited by Aisforauric, 20 January 2013 - 08:40 PM.

[L4YRCAKE]

 

Yeah, I'd like to see Craig's Bond sharing good screentime with staff at MI6 - rather than in a bunker or under evaluation. On form, having a decent de-brief of a threat / villain and getting all the intel possible before heading out. Those scenes were small and few in the golden era but still great to set the scene for the adventure coming up, and helped form the bond between...Bond, and his allies.

That's a really great point. I love the briefing scene in Thunderball, carried out in sumptuous surroundings with the other 00's appearances almost hidden except the odd side profile. The scene has always reminded me of nine knights arranged in a semi-circular shape like part of the round table.

 

On the subject of briefings, I also think Steven Berkoff's scene-stealing performance in Octopussy where he's pushing for a Russian assault across Europe is brilliantly done, and again sets the storyline up very nicely.

 

 

You've piqued my curiosity, I have no recollection of that scene (from Octopussy).  I'm afraid that post-FYEO Roger Moore Bonds have been all but unwatchable for me, maybe I'll have to work on that and give them another chance.  

 

Lord, if only they have the smarts to start having briefing scenes like the one in Thunderball as a recurring element in future films, it really gave Thunderball a grand scope that Bond 24 and all future Daniel Craig Bonds should have, he is the Billion Dollar Bond now, after all.  

 

Plus to explore the other 00's, especially because it would be a great way to illustrate why Bond is the best of the best of even such an elite group.   And to have SPECTRE opposite, as their counterweight, perhaps Blofeld and Mallory have a personal history and hatred of one another and are throwing agents at each other, with Bond being the prime weapon of the Majesty's Secret Service.   Fingers crossed.  

 

I also hope Mr. Craig is as excited to get going as we all are about him doing so.

[rubixcub]

Has anyone seen this article yet?

 

http://www.007.info/...e-set-for-2014/

 

Sounds like the wheels may be turning.  I also hope to see Mendes return, and between the awards and the box office, I'm sure the producers do, too.

 

Dave

[S K Y F A L L]

Now I certainly hope Mendes doesn't return. 

The show he and Logan are working out sounds interesting though, although I'm not much of a horror fan.

[quantumofsolace]

http://whatculture.c...007-outings.php

[007jamesbond]

How about two director direct a Bond film? Sam do the drama scene the other director do action scenes, it has been done before 

[Professor Pi]

How about two director direct a Bond film? Sam do the drama scene the other director do action scenes, it has been done before 

 

It feels like that's what happened with The World Is Not Enough--Michael Apted doing the dramatic quiet scenes and the second unit handling the action set-pieces.  But it disrupts the flow of the film.  We're in Baku one minute and then, let's go skiing! 

[Red Barchetta]

Personally I'd like them to start later this year as originally planned- 2014 seems like such a long way off- that means 2015 before it's out I would think.

[SecretAgentFan]

I guess that depends on the scope of the movie. 

 

Personally, I think a shorter film (which would also result in less shooting time) than SKYFALL would not be a bad thing. A clear-cut suspense mission. We don´t need epics all the time.

[Shrublands]

Has anyone seen this article yet?

 

http://www.007.info/...e-set-for-2014/

 

Sounds like the wheels may be turning.  I also hope to see Mendes return, and between the awards and the box office, I'm sure the producers do, too.

 

Dave

 

Very interesting. I'd say this is true and probably a bit more developed than the information passed on to Baz.

Mendes is also directing King Lear at the National Theatre later this year for a January 2014 opening.

 

Mendes will be back for Bond 24, and I'd be willing to bet Bond 25 too. 

[Iceskater101]

What not starting till 2014.. :/ i thought it was going to be out by then. :'(

[Shrublands]

Thinking about it, after all the talk about the extra time improving the quality of the script for Skyfall, I'd have been shocked if they'd started constructing sets at Pinewood by this Summer.

[tdalton]

What not starting till 2014.. :/ i thought it was going to be out by then. :'(

 

I don't think that it was ever actually confirmed that BOND 24 would be a 2014 release.  The executives at Sony announced it would be a part of their 2014 slate, but Wilson and Broccoli have been, to the best of my knowledge anyway, non-committal about when the film would be released. 

 

They've only got Craig for two more films, so I wouldn't be surprised if they took their time with both of them to make them the absolute best that they can be.  2014 is a possibility for BOND 24, as they can have it out in November or December if they start in January of the same year, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be a 2015 release.

[Berni99]

I hope 2014, i want three more films with Craig

[L4YRCAKE]

I think he'll do quite a bit more than three.

[seawolfnyy]

What not starting till 2014.. :/ i thought it was going to be out by then. :'(

 

I don't think that it was ever actually confirmed that BOND 24 would be a 2014 release.  The executives at Sony announced it would be a part of their 2014 slate, but Wilson and Broccoli have been, to the best of my knowledge anyway, non-committal about when the film would be released. 

 

They've only got Craig for two more films, so I wouldn't be surprised if they took their time with both of them to make them the absolute best that they can be.  2014 is a possibility for BOND 24, as they can have it out in November or December if they start in January of the same year, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be a 2015 release.

I agree. I would rather have it release in 2015 with more polish, than in 2014 and be sub-par.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

 I would rather have it release in 2015 with more polish, than in 2014 and be sub-par.

My thoughts exactly. My current gut feeling is that we'll get 2 more Craig films, Bond 24 in 2015 and Bond 25 in 2018. Then there will be 4 year wait until Actor number 7 debuts in 2022 on the 60th anniversary.