428 replies to this topic

[Chief of SIS]

I think one of the controllable factors however is depth and steadiness. Bourne's camera is notoriously in your face and shaky. I think Bond needs to pull it back a little and keep a clean steady shot if that makes sense.

[Matt_13]

It does, and with Alexander Witt we really don't have anything to fear. Dan Bradly had the reins of the second unit last time around, so that's what really lead to that in your face shakey cam style more than anything else. The action scenes in Casino Royale were more than coherent (if overlong), with the handheld work used sparingly but effectively. Shaking the camera for the sake of shaking it leads to disorientation on the half of the audience. The Bourne pics are deliberately going for a documentary style of filmmaking (and I personally think they are very successful). I just think Bond's action scenes need to have a heavy emphasis on geography, which is exactly what we're getting from the looks of things.

[Matt_13]

Really?

[MattofSteel]

I'm not sure Dan Bradley's camera work was really that close and shakey, so much as the editing of the sequences was ridiculously fast and hackneyed.

[kneelbeforezod]

I'm not sure Dan Bradley's camera work was really that close and shakey, so much as the editing of the sequences was ridiculously fast and hackneyed.

This is true actually, there's some fantastic shots in the car chase at the beginning, and particularly the rooftop chase, but the editing is ridiculous.

[Matt_13]

That's fair, too, though I still think the camera is a bit tight in some places. On the big screen, the film was a bit of a mess, the incoherency of the product stemming from what I consider to be a combination of both tight camera work and an aggressive form of editing. On TV, though, I'd say the editing wins out as the most complaint worthy aspect of the final production (if there was to be one). Good point.

[Binyamin]

I'm fine with that. The TEASER does not need the Bond theme forced into it. Save that - sparingly - for the actual movie.

[MattofSteel]

Wow. That'll be weird. And a first, as far as I can remember.

[S K Y F A L L]

These guys talk at the beginning of the video about the trailer. They seem genuinely blown away. http://www.slashfilm...m+%28%2FFilm%29

"It looked more like a Bourne film."
Uh oh.....here we go again with this.

While this may actually be a point of concern, if you ask me, every modern day spy film looks like a Bourne film. Not because it's mimicry. Instead it's the fact that it's modern action cinema. Dark tones and fast cuts. I personally have no problem with that.

Exactly. No matter what, all modern spy thrillers with a Euro flavor that boast aggressive action will be compared to Bourne, because frankly they did it first and they did it best (even if Bond is responsible for their existence). I'm guessing he simply meant that it was atmospheric, and the one true Bond fan in the group seemed genuinely enthralled, and afterall, he seems to be the one most like us. I think we're in for a treat. Also a brief mention that the music worked well, which implies it'll be something different from what we've heard in the last few trailers and TV spots. All good news.
Just as a reminder, and as a way to hold some of you over, how about trip down memory lane?
6 (bloody!) Years Ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LozaiZBdji0

Is the part @ 1:09 where someone tears a card in half, in the film? Can't remember that scene.

[Marketto007]

That scene is not in the final cut of the movie.

xxx

[S K Y F A L L]

That scene is not in the final cut of the movie.
xxx

I didn't think so, Thanks Marketto007.

[Jeff007]

If I recall the scene with the ripped up card was going to be a signal to confirm a meeting of two bad guys during the Nassau/ Miami sequence. Each would have one half. Correct me if I'm wrong. Can't remember who exactly.

[S K Y F A L L]

If I recall the scene with the ripped up card was going to be a signal to confirm a meeting of two bad guys during the Nassau/ Miami sequence. Each would have one half. Correct me if I'm wrong. Can't remember who exactly.

Dimitrios and Carlos, I"m guessing. Sounds cool.

I wonder if the SF trailer will also have scenes like that we might not see in the finale version of the film. Then again that happens all the time, doesn't it.

[Vauxhall]

There's also a character called "Assessor" who could theoretically be

Spoiler

Moloney

if the character's role is related to Bond being passed as fit for duty.

Good point. I'd forgotten that.

[Glockenspiel]

Sony Pictures debuted the "Skyfall" teaser trailer for invited guests at CinemaCon 2012, the convention for the national association of theatre owners in Las Vegas yesterday.
The crowd in Caesars Palace were treated to the first look at the new James Bond film, which will be released publicly on May 25th when it is attached to the release of "Men In Black 3". It was part of Sony's 45 minute presentation of what to expect in 2012.
Various reports of what was contained within the trailer have hit blogs and forums online, and the details vary, but some of the key points are:
- The trailer opens with an evaluation of Bond in the form of a word association game. Dialogue is heard over establishing shots of London such as “Country”/“England”, “Gun”/“Shot”, “Agent”/“Provocateur”, “Murder”...“Employment”.
- The interrogation room is revealed to include M and Mallory (Ralph Fiennes) behind glass as Bond speaks. The last word is "Skyfall........ Skyfall", to which Bond replies, "Done" and walks up to the glass.
- A montage of fast cuts then follows giving glimpses at major action scenes filmed so far including the chase in London and falling from a height in to water.
- Bond is seen outside the Macao casino.
- The action wraps with a shot of the London underground train stunt.
- Over shots of coffins draped in Union Jack flags, Bond concludes the trailer by saying, “Some men are coming to kill us. We’ve got to kill them first.

[thecasinoroyale]

We already have a thread for this Glockenspiel - Skyfall Teaser Trailer - Description & Speculation

[marktmurphy]

I'm not sure Dan Bradley's camera work was really that close and shakey, so much as the editing of the sequences was ridiculously fast and hackneyed.

This is true actually, there's some fantastic shots in the car chase at the beginning, and particularly the rooftop chase, but the editing is ridiculous.

I don't mind shakey cam and fast-cutting, but I don't think QoS did it as well as Bourne did. Occasionally there is a bit missing that makes it tricky to follow, unlike in the Bourne films.

That said, the technique is a bit old now.

[Binyamin]

Quantum teaser really didn't have the Bond theme -- the classic "dun dun DUN dun" is mixed in the end, but the rest of the famous theme isn't used.

[JCRendle]

Could it be that the word association game was filmed for the trailer?

[Vauxhall]

Could it be that the word association game was filmed for the trailer?

I guess it's possible, but I hope it's for the film itself; sounds like quite a decent scene.

[smudge76]

Not the end of world though is it.

[smudge76]

Well saw trailer today (great having contacts) and was impressed, sort of what i expected though, Craig is craig and looks great as per CR and QoS. Lot darker tone which i liked and seeing the flag drapped coffins gave a nice military feel to it which is always good.

[thecasinoroyale]

Not at all smudge76.

All the more 'Skyfall' reading, the better!

[thecasinoroyale]

Scenes aren't made for trailers specifically are they much, nowadays?

I remember the 'Licence To Kill' teaser with Timothy Dalton doing lots of intense Bond-looks with his L.E.D watch...that was well cool! Let's have Daniel Craig do something like that...oh, and even Brosnan did his pre-gunbarrel for 'GoldenEye' - "You were expecting someone else?"

That always kept the tongue-in-cheek vibe of the Bond films not being TOO serious...although if EON want Craig's Bond to be THAT serious, they probably wouldn't do something like that. Shame!

[DominicGreene]

Well saw trailer today (great having contacts) and was impressed, sort of what i expected though, Craig is craig and looks great as per CR and QoS. Lot darker tone which i liked and seeing the flag drapped coffins gave a nice military feel to it which is always good.

Could I have a look?

Edited by DominicGreene, 27 April 2012 - 01:21 PM.

[Professor Dent]

Well saw trailer today (great having contacts) and was impressed, sort of what i expected though, Craig is craig and looks great as per CR and QoS. Lot darker tone which i liked and seeing the flag drapped coffins gave a nice military feel to it which is always good.

Care to shed some light on the music for us?

[Melancholy Productions]

Scenes aren't made for trailers specifically are they much, nowadays?

Looking back on those CR and QOS teasers, there's the fast tracking shot on Craig sitting at the poker table and looking into camera to end the trailer, and (I think?) for QOS Craig walking over the horizon with that massive gun from CR.

[thecasinoroyale]

Melancholy Productions, I stand corrected! Of course, you're right. Don't know why I forgot about those!

The fast track with Craig's Bond breaking the 4th wall was a neat touch, but I never understood the reason why the shot for 'QOS' walking over the desert wasn't used much in the film, I thought it was very visually powerful!

Good memory my friend...makes me wonder if this teaser actually will have something like this!

[Pussfeller]

Could it be that the word association game was filmed for the trailer?

Surely not. It doesn't seem at all like the sort of thing that would be filmed specifically for a trailer. it seems like a bit of punchy dialogue snipped out of a larger scene. The whole point of a decontextualized snippet is to invite speculation as to what context might surround it in the film.

[Marketto007]

Well saw trailer today (great having contacts) and was impressed, sort of what i expected though, Craig is craig and looks great as per CR and QoS. Lot darker tone which i liked and seeing the flag drapped coffins gave a nice military feel to it which is always good.

Please, don't do that to us. We need your contact, we NEED the trailer.

xxx