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[x007AceOfSpades]

I find myself listening to 'The Moors' more and more often now. Glad I have it as a separate track now.

[The Shark]

Not at all. It's one of most effective non-Barry Bond suspense cues written, whether it's the variation for the Severneya or train countdown. Pulsing didgeridoos, ghostly synth voices and and that strange percussion sound heard throughout many of Serra's scores of that era (turns out it's a tambourine sample pitched down real low) building into a harsh cluster at the end. Despite its ambience, it's of the Barry school of less is more. Gumbold's Safe, Meeting at St. Sophia, The Chase Bomb Theme etc.

I have no idea what survived of "Fatal Weakness" that made it to the scenes at Severnaya, but it wasn't much. Hardly a testament to the track. But to each his own. In this case, what you sense as ambience, I think of as ambient music.

I've no problem ambient music, when done well. As said, the album track titled titled "Fatal Weakness" is for the train scene, starting just after the crash, when Bond has Trevelyan and Onatopp held at gunpoint.

Comes from this bit of dialogue.

TREVELYAN: Situation analysis: hopeless. You have no backup, no escape route. And I have the only bargaining chip.

BOND: Where is she?

TREVELYAN: Ah, yes. Your fatal weakness.

OURUMOV, bring her in.

From there on, the full cue plays. It was also tracked-in later in the film, replacing "Boris and the Lethal Pen." There's an earlier, very similar (but not the same) cue for the activation of the the satellite "Petya'" at Severnaya. It starts when the biometric lock makes a match on Ourumov's voice and opens the door.

I think the fact that it remained in and was even later tracked-in, shows how much that piece impressed Martin Campbell and Terry Rawlings (who with Ridley Scott famously replaced much of Jerry Goldsmith's original score for ALIEN with temp tracks from FREUD and Howard Hanson's 2nd Symphony).

[The Shark]

EDIT: Shark, you'd mentioned awhile back you can hear Adele's Skyfall in 'Severine'. Where, specifically? I feel like I'm hearing it too, in the string melody, pretty prominently. But that could just be my mind looking for the patterns.

It's not so much the melody but the underling harmonies. F, Cm and Ab.

FYI, Adele's song is basically Cm > Ab > F, with G7 as the dominant (naturally resolves into Cm) at the end of each verse or chorus. Apart from the last chord (which is pretty conventional, centuries old stuff) - it's just You My Name transposed up a semitone (Bm > G - E).

P.S. F means F an major chord. The lower case m means minor.

[MattofSteel]

EDIT: Shark, you'd mentioned awhile back you can hear Adele's Skyfall in 'Severine'. Where, specifically? I feel like I'm hearing it too, in the string melody, pretty prominently. But that could just be my mind looking for the patterns.

It's not so much the melody but the underling harmonies. F, Cm and Ab.

FYI, Adele's song is basically Cm > Ab > F, with G7 as the dominant (naturally resolves into Cm) at the end of each verse or chorus. Apart from the last chord (which is pretty conventional, centuries old stuff) - it's just You My Name transposed up a semitone (Bm > G - E).

P.S. F means F an major chord. The lower case m means minor.

Nine accredited piano grades and 10+ years of trumpet. Your technical knowledge is vastly superior, but I'm well up on how the chord notations work.

You're ability to pick them up by ear dwarfs mine, though. A challenge I've never been able to overcome despite the aforementioned time investment.

[JimmyBond]

Found this on youtube:

Not really sure how to post a video here, so just click on this line of text.


I'm not posting it here becuase I think it's genuine. I'm posting it here because I think it's quite fake. I even looked at the track listing to see if there is one called 'MI6 Aftermath' there is not. Quality is a bit poor as well.

Edited by JimmyBond, 11 October 2012 - 03:02 AM.

[x007AceOfSpades]

I remember seeing that and thinking that it was real, then I saw the posted date and quickly dismissed it.

[JimmyBond]

Oh hehe, I didn't even stop to look at the date. Well that settles it then, thanks

[MattofSteel]

Absolutely fake. Been there forever.

[JimmyBond]

Anyways, listening to the sample tracks from Newman's score (again). I really, really, love 'New Digs.' It's my favorite track of the three so far, but they're all really good.

[MattofSteel]

Just had a thought. Knowing what we know about what might possibly be the very first shot of the film, is it possible that Track 8 (00:56) "Silhouette" is actually the gunbarrel + ensuing thirty seconds?

[JimmyBond]

Spoiler

Perhaps, but there's another possibility. It could be the cue that plays when Bond confronts M in her flat after "enjoying death."

Edit: Realized I wasn't in the spoiler section, so I added tags to my reply.

Edited by JimmyBond, 11 October 2012 - 03:08 AM.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Just had a thought. Knowing what we know about what might possibly be the very first shot of the film, is it possible that Track 8 (00:56) "Silhouette" is actually the gunbarrel + ensuing thirty seconds?

Quite possibly, If not then the first track, "Grand Bazaar, Istanbul"

Noticed the same thing or at least similar with Kamen's score of LTK, where the gunbarrel is attatched to the sixth track.

[MattofSteel]

The gunbarrel will certainly be attached to one of those tracks. I cannot imagine them not including it. 77 minutes of music but not one of the most anticipated pieces? That'd be an unmitigated album failure if it were true.

[Satorious]

Pehaps, although many of the earlier Barry albums didn't have the Gun-barrel cues on them, or did many of the follow-ups (eg. LALD, TSWLM, FYEO) until they were expanded and reissued. GE never did either. But let's hope it's on there.

[levitator]

Pehaps, although many of the earlier Barry albums didn't have the Gun-barrel cues on them, or did many of the follow-ups (eg. LALD, TSWLM, FYEO) until they were expanded and reissued. GE never did either. But let's hope it's on there.

Perhaps it is the track called "Silhouette" ?!

[Berni99]

Audio Sample from all Tracks

http://www.amazon.de...49949848&sr=8-2


Deep water sounds fantastic (think its the same as the train clip)

Edited by Berni99, 11 October 2012 - 10:45 AM.

[Walecs]

Could Breadcrumbs be the gunbarrel?

Edited by Walecs, 11 October 2012 - 10:49 AM.

[Vauxhall]

Audio Sample from all Tracks

http://www.amazon.de...49949848&sr=8-2


Deep water sounds fantastic (think its the same as the train clip)

Ooh great. Thanks for posting! Off to listen.

[Vauxhall]

Could Breadcrumbs be the gunbarrel?

Spoiler

I think it is. "Breadcrumbs" also makes relative sense to describe the first scene.

[marktmurphy]

Ooh I like the sound of Komodo Dragon. And Bloody Shot.
I think this is going to sound lovely.

You'll enjoy Breadcrumbs.

The gunbarrel will certainly be attached to one of those tracks. I cannot imagine them not including it. 77 minutes of music but not one of the most anticipated pieces? That'd be an unmitigated album failure if it were true.

Loads of Bond soundtracks didn't haven't it: I wouldn't expect it. From the last twenty years I think only two soundtracks have had them on.

[sharpshooter]

I've listened to all the samples, and I'm pleased with what I hear. Very interesting soundtrack. Each cue is throwing up something different. Definitely the most distinct personality since Serra. I love the stuff like 'Shanghai Drive' and 'Adrenaline'.

[deth]

Wow.... how.... generic. I'm hoping for more from the full score. These 30 second samples are, for the most part... dull.

[Henry-Jones-Sr]

I really hope Mike and Babs don't automatically return to David Arnold after this. I'd really love to hear other composers tackle a Bond soundtrack.

As for the Skyfall samples, I'm avoiding them. I really don't want to feel like I know the movie before I see it. On a related topic, I'm avoiding the Adele song until opening night and so far I'm succeeding!

[PPK_19]

Wow.... how.... generic. I'm hoping for more from the full score. These 30 second samples are, for the most part... dull.

S'what i thought. I'm not really sure what i'm expecting, but if i didn't know any better i'd say it was still Arnold composing (not a bad thing).

It's just that a lot of us were expecting something fresh and new when we heard Newman was on board, but i'm not impressed with what i have heard so far. Perhaps when we actually see the film and hear the full tracks it'll sound better, but for the most part; these tracks interest me as much as a female eunuch in a brothel does.

[MattofSteel]

Having only gotten through the first six - I'm absolutely loving these.

You've sold me, Thomas Newman. It sounds phenomenal. This is totally music that will work for James Bond, even though it's really unique and like nothing we've heard before. And I haven't even gotten to the Bond theme bits you're all raving about yet.

So, prepare for some explosive edit to this post when the top of my head blows off.

EDIT: Yep. This is great.

-Gunbarrell definitely could be "Breadcrumbs," but I'm not sure. I love how it cuts off right as you think the twangy guitar is about to start. Just expertly leaves you wanting it. I can't imagine there won't be at least one epic twangy guitar moment at some point in the film.

-Overall, less Bond theme in these samples than I'd expected. But I'm fine with it. When it hits, it hits hard - and I'm sure there's more throughout the film. I'm hearing it prominently in Komodo Dragon, Breadcrumbs, Deep Water, and hinted in other places.

-The opening of "Komodo Dragon" gives me chills each time.

Look, this stuff works. I was the biggest "nervous about Thomas Newman" person around here - I just couldn't believe he would abandon the distinctiveness of his own sound and create something worthy of Bond. But he's done it. Newman is very heavily present in each of these cues, and yet they all sound perfectly Bond-satisfactory. They aren't dull at all, to me. They're rich, diverse, and sound...just a hint of familiar.

I will, of course, reserve final judgement for the album and the film. But colour me considerably assuaged this morning.

[junkanoo]

Someone .... please tell me they mistakenly put up Newman's next movie score: The Road and Waterways to Mecca ... instead of the real Skyfall score.

[The Shark]

It's just that a lot of us were expecting something fresh and new when we heard Newman was on board, but i'm not impressed with what i have heard so far. Perhaps when we actually see the film and hear the full tracks it'll sound better, but for the most part; these tracks interest me as much as a female eunuch in a brothel does.

Same here. There's a few that catch my ear, but over all they sound generic. I hate the Middle Eastern/North African/Bourne vibe in a lot of the action tracks (they can't all be from Turkey can they?) with the same modal sound that Newton Howard and Powell have been hitting us over the head with for the last decade. This is James Bond, not Evelyn Salt. He's quintessentially British, not Syrian or Algerian.

"Breadcrumbs" disappoints me too. Sounds exactly like the boring Arnold Bond theme from the last two end credits.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

[JCRendle]

Look forward to listening to these, I'm away on business this week and only have my phone to keep up to date with the Bond news, I don't think I can listen to amazon clips on my phone.

Are they anywhere on youtube yet or is it still the three previously released tracks?

[SecretAgentFan]

It's just that a lot of us were expecting something fresh and new when we heard Newman was on board, but i'm not impressed with what i have heard so far. Perhaps when we actually see the film and hear the full tracks it'll sound better, but for the most part; these tracks interest me as much as a female eunuch in a brothel does.

Same here. There's a few that catch my ear, but over all they sound generic. I hate the Middle Eastern/North African/Bourne vibe in a lot of the action tracks (they can't all be from Turkey can they?) with the same modal sound that Newton Howard and Powell and have been hitting us over the head with for the last decade. This is James Bond, not Evelyn Salt. He's quintessentially British, not Syrian or Algerian.

"Breadcrumbs" disappoints me too. Sounds exactly like the boring Arnold Bond theme from the last two end credits.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

You cannot be satisfied, Sir, can you?

[The Shark]

You cannot be satisfied, Sir, can you?

Where have you been? "New Digs" and "Severine" satisfied me a great deal. Turns out they're the exception, not the rule.