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[Captain Tightpants]

Your analysis of the events is as speculative as it is plausible - could very well be the case. Equally, Bardem's character was specifically mentioed as uber secret by Mendes (apart from him being a or the villain).

I'm not trying to say that Bardem's character name was kept secret because he was never asked, and not because he's playing a character that would be well-known. I was just tring to create a scenario that was equally plausible to the "well-known character" theory to demonstrate how little we know,

Then it all focussed on the "are you Moneypenny" stuff - true (and understandable given that the press loves to cover the girls and Monepenny is very iconic

I maintain that it switched to Moneypenny because it was the single biggest detail Bamigboye had reported, and it had gone without confirmation. He wanted the bragging rights. The press conference wasn't about Bond, it was about Bamigboye. Honestly, I don't know why EON tolerate self-serving bottom-feeders like him.

[univex]

Bloke named Elipsis down at Mi6 had a brilliant idea about the 8 coffins in the Old Naval College. What if the attack on Mi6 is the assassination of all 00s, excluding 007 of course. You know, 001, 002, 003, 004, 005, 006, 008 and 009. Would account for all coffins and M attending the funeral. I for one find the idea plausible and not unlike the script for Johnny English, also written by P&W, as mentioned by another bloke named karatemachan37. Sorry for the theft on this, but I thought it was so brilliant it was worth mentioning. It could be a bit like TLD´s Smiert Spionem, only directed at the 00 division.

Also, many actors that have been cast recently as Mi6 operatives or agents do look like they could be 00s. It would be an interesting premisse wouldn´t it? Elaborate away my friends.

Edited by univex, 07 January 2012 - 02:44 AM.

[Captain Tightpants]

I've never liked the idea that Bond is the only Double-Oh competent enough to survive. It's a cheap way of making him out to be the best at what he does.

I think the above proposal is, as you say, a little too close to JOHNNY ENGLISH. But perhaps a riff on it is in order - rather than eight Double-Ohs dying at once, maybe only two or three are killed and M desicdes to exaggerate the agency's losses to give themselves the advantage. The villains assume that all of the Double-Ohs have been killed, and as they have no way of verifying this, they cannot tell that there are still a handful who are alive and well.

However, I suspect that the eight caskets are for eight people who are seemingly unconnected aside from the fact that they worked for MI6 - but their connection to one another is the driving factor in the plot.

[Pussfeller]

Bloke named Elipsis down at Mi6 had a brilliant idea about the 8 coffins in the Old Naval College. What if the attack on Mi6 is the assassination of all 00s, excluding 007 of course. You know, 001, 002, 003, 004, 005, 006, 008 and 009. Would account for all coffins and M attending the funeral. I for one find the idea plausible and not unlike the script for Johnny English, also written by P&W, as mentioned by another bloke named karatemachan37. Sorry for the theft on this, but I thought it was so brilliant it was worth mentioning.

I don't think they'd ever do anything that cartoonish. It's like something from an episode of Get Smart.

[ggl]

So, so...

If we believe that the PTS will take place in Turkey, then the film will begin with the terrorist attack to MI6 or the Parlament and the funeral (scene 35, quite soon in the movie). Then, perhaps after some chase in the subway and/or bus station, Bond will go to China to finish the film in Scotland? and the epilogue in London again.

More or less.

[DamnCoffee]

I've never liked the idea that Bond is the only Double-Oh competent enough to survive. It's a cheap way of making him out to be the best at what he does.

I think the above proposal is, as you say, a little too close to JOHNNY ENGLISH. But perhaps a riff on it is in order - rather than eight Double-Ohs dying at once, maybe only two or three are killed and M desicdes to exaggerate the agency's losses to give themselves the advantage. The villains assume that all of the Double-Ohs have been killed, and as they have no way of verifying this, they cannot tell that there are still a handful who are alive and well.

However, I suspect that the eight caskets are for eight people who are seemingly unconnected aside from the fact that they worked for MI6 - but their connection to one another is the driving factor in the plot.

Yeah that sounds interesting. Since Craig was in Berlin at the time, maybe, I know this is a rather big possibility, but I wonder if Bond is taken off the radar, too. You know, staging his own death in order to take him off the grid.

[Captain Tightpants]

Bond will go to China to finish the film in Scotland? and the epilogue in London again.

There is no evidence of an epilogue set in London. The shots of Craig and Harris on top of the Department of Energy and Climate Change building were numbered 172, which is comparable to Bond's recovery after the torture in CASINO ROYALE - which is really the beginning of the third act. It's more likely that those scenes with the box will take place before the finale.

My guess is that the eight dead are somehow connected, and that the attacks on London are actually a targeted assassination in disguise. The dead are connected to "Skyfall", and the only clue is a Chinese intelligence substation in Shanghai. As Bond investigates to identify the perpetrators, M comes under investigation, cutting Bond off from MI6.

Since Craig was in Berlin at the time, maybe, I know this is a rather big possibility, but I wonder if Bond is taken off the radar, too. You know, staging his own death in order to take him off the grid.

He may have been dispatched on an assignment by this point. Scene 35 is early in the film, but comes well after the titles. We know scene 57 takes place in a grimy bathroom, and something around scene 65-ish is in the underground bunker, but I don't think Craig has been confirmed as taking part in either of these scenes. Reports suggested that Bond would be involved in some kind of chase in London, switching vehicles along the way - but we haven't heard any reports of this actually being filmed. It may well be that the convoy is taking M and key MI6 personnel to the underground bunker, which is actually the morgue where the bodies are being kept. Bond, meanwhile, leaves the party and uses a discreet exit in the building and comes out of the National Gallery (why a morgue is under the Gallery is beyond me, but it may be a part of the bunker, because the reports say the morgue is not in the Painted Hall, but under it), crosses to the Underground station and exits the city quietly to begin his investigation.

[ggl]

I would prefer that the box exchange would take place before the climax, but (perhaps it´s another theme of discussion) no film of Sam Mendes has lasted more than 120 or 122 minutes. How long will be his Bond movie?

[DamnCoffee]

I'm hoping for a good 2 1/2 hours. I really would love a longer film than Casino Royale, or around the same time.

[Captain Tightpants]

I don't think Mendes is going to make a film that is only two hours long simply because none of his other films have been more than that. When it comes to run time, SKYFALL will be like any other film - as long as it needs to be.

[Vauxhall]

Agreed. As many observed, QUANTUM OF SOLACE may only have been 106 minutes in duration, but it actually felt too long in some ways because of the manner some scenes were simply shoehorned in because Forster was trying to force in action scenes where they weren't particularly required. If SKYFALL is a better movie because it's 110 minutes rather than 120 or 150, then that's good enough for me.

[univex]

Bloke named Elipsis down at Mi6 had a brilliant idea about the 8 coffins in the Old Naval College. What if the attack on Mi6 is the assassination of all 00s, excluding 007 of course. You know, 001, 002, 003, 004, 005, 006, 008 and 009. Would account for all coffins and M attending the funeral. I for one find the idea plausible and not unlike the script for Johnny English, also written by P&W, as mentioned by another bloke named karatemachan37. Sorry for the theft on this, but I thought it was so brilliant it was worth mentioning.

I don't think they'd ever do anything that cartoonish. It's like something from an episode of Get Smart.

Well, I though the reasoning behind it was brilliant, not the idea itself. Sort of like a conspiracy theory: P&W wrote that script, 9-1=8, ... But the idea is a bit cartoonish as you say.

I'm hoping for a good 2 1/2 hours. I really would love a longer film than Casino Royale, or around the same time.

If it fits with the story, I´d also love to see a longer film. Afterall, we´ve been wating for years now.

[ggl]

I have no trouble with a long movie (CR is one of the best), but will Mendes handle it well? Were American Beauty or Road to Perdition long or short (i´m referring to the pace and rhythm, not the minutes, of course)? (And, yes, I know they are completely different movies but you can´t ask David Lynch to do an action movie or Tarantino to do a romantic comedy... I´m going a little off topic, sorry)

And for the supposed box epilogue, maybe I was thinking in the two previous last scenes: no Bond girls, a cold farewell (QOS)... Will we have a Bond-Bond girl finish? I hope so...

[univex]

you can´t ask David Lynch to do an action movie or Tarantino to do a romantic comedy...

I´d pay good money to see that

As to the finale, I´d love to see an happy ending, a Bond girl finish as you say.

[Pussfeller]

Well, it's about time Craig had a rubber-dinghy-exploding-volcano finish. Maybe that's what's meant by "Bond with a capital B".

[Captain Tightpants]

you can´t ask [...] Tarantino to do a romantic comedy

Can't you?

[ggl]

you can´t ask [...] Tarantino to do a romantic comedy

Can't you?

Well, I´ve seen "that" or what it´s left of "that". Not exactly a romantic comedy. Or a comedy. Or a movie. And in a way, nobody ask Tarantino to do it ;-)

[ggl]

Back to the main topic...

Now we have the scene 120 in Charing Cross.

So
35: the funeral in London;
64: China;
120, 134, 172: London

I think between 64 and 120, Turkey will have its place. Still can we think of a PTS in Turkey? Of course, could be, but...

[Shrublands]

Remember, Scene 53 seems to be in London too.

[Captain Tightpants]

Okay, I have an idea as to how the plot might play out, one that I think could explain everything we know about SKYFALL.

Ever since the introduction of the Euro, the Swiss government has been steadily stockpiling billions of dollars' worth of Swiss francs as a form on insulation. If ever the Euro should collapse or somehow become compromised, they would be able to put the francs back into circulation, minimising the effects of the economic shockwaves. SKYFALL's plot could well centre on the idea of the villains bankrupting Europe through the "superdollar" (or in this case, the "supereuro").

At the end of World War II, NATO formed a covert stay-behind mission called Operation Gladius to limit the spread of communism in Italy. Gladius expanded out into several European countries, and went so far as to form a Turkish branch called Counter-Guerrilla. Some time in the 1980s, an offshoot of Counter-Guerrilla called Ergenekon is believed to have been formed, but despite over five hundred people having been arrested in connection to the group, its existence has never been proven. Some people believe it is entirely made up by the Turkish government to scare the public into submission. Within the context of the film, "Skyfall" could be an MI6 operation to bankrupt the Soviet Union, using Counter-Guerrilla/Ergenekon to do it - but the Cold War ended before it could be put into effect. Twenty years later, operatives of Counter-Guerrilla re-emerge and plan to carry out "Skyfall" against Western Europe, using the supereuro.

The superdollar is a term coined by the Secret Service to refer to counterfeit high-denomination banknotes of exceptional quality that are believed to have been put into circulation by a rogue foreign power, Iran and North Korea being the usual suspects. Operation Skyfall would see the use of counterfeit Euros placed into circulation in Western Europe, but with a slight twist: instead of being perfect recreations, they are deliberately made with imperfections. They are good enough to pass a cursory examination, but once reports emerge that there has been a widespread use of counterfeit money, the flaws would be easy to spot. Overnight, millions of dollars' worth of wealth would go up in smoke and the Euro would crash. Meanwhile, the villains have been slowly but steadily buying up Swiss francs. When the crash comes and the Euro loses all of its value, the Swiss franc would become very, very valuable, and could even become legal tender across Europe while the issue of the Euro is sorted out. This would make the villains exponentially wealthy.

So, how does everything we know tie into this?
- The attack on London would be a false flag operation, designed to turn MI6's attentions on Iran.
- M would have been the person to conceive "Operation Skyfall" in the first place, and bankroll the Counter-Guerrilla.
- Javier Bardem is using trains to ship acaba plants (used in manufacturing bank notes) across Turkey; MI6 may believe he is supplying nuclear centrifuges to Iran when he is actually collecting printing presses from them.
- The box Bond gives to Eve contains printing plates for the supereuro.
- The Chinese private equity firm has been investing in Switzerland on behalf of the Chinese government.

[Skudor]

I like the concept - flooding markets with something is very Fleming. But Switzerland is not in the Euro - and using physical currency as some sort of economic weapon is not practical - most of the monetary base never exists in physical form, so to have any real (inflationary) impact you would need vast quantities of the stuff and ways of distributing it. We're talking logistics way beyond what Fleming envisaged for robbing Fort Knox So not feasible enough - but as a way out there plot it's got some good elements.

[Captain Tightpants]

I'm aware Switzerland is not a part of the Euro. But all of her neighbours are, and if ever the Euro was compromised, the ability to say they are insulated would be little defence against the shock. Having that current in reserve would minimise the blow.

I also imagine that the villains would have been circulating "supereuros" for years on a widespread basis, probably starting with Eastern European countries where there would be less in the way of regulatory barriers.

As for distribution, well, that can tie back into my idea of Javier Bardem having controlling interests in rail companies, allowing him to move vast quantities of the stuff across the continent.

[BourneAgainBond]

the whole euro thing seems to goldfinger, to a view to a kill and to goldeneye, i thought it was suppose to be a real original story?

i don't think they will kill M either.

remember how they introduced "Q"'s assistant "R" in the world is not enough to replace "Q".
well if Desmond Llewelyn the actor who played "Q" didn't die in a car accident i bet he would have been in day another day.

Judi Dench is 77 years old and they might just be setting it up so that if she died or doesn't return at least her characters disappearance doesn't go unanswered, like "Q"'s retirement. and for all we know it might be another 4 years till bond24 she'd be 81 years old.


maybe Bonds loyalty is tested by "M" when he discovers his parents didn't die in a mountain climbing accident but rather "M" had them killed.

that is the type of surprise and hook i'm expecting from them, considering Bond loyalty to "M" was already tested in the world is not enough


I wonder if Bérénice Marlohe is going to be playing the villain's girlfriend because shes way to attractive for daniel craig but then again all the girls have been

Edited by BourneAgainBond, 19 January 2012 - 04:58 PM.

[BourneAgainBond]

maybe Bonds loyalty is tested by "M" when he discovers his parents didn't die in a mountain climbing accident but rather "M" had them killed.

i really feel like i hit the bulls eye on this one, what do you guys think?

Edited by BourneAgainBond, 19 January 2012 - 05:22 PM.

[TCK]

I wonder if Bérénice Marlohe is going to be playing the villain's girlfriend because shes way to attractive for daniel craig but then again all the girls have been

Both Rooney Mara and Daniel Craig were Tuesday on a French TV channel to promote The girl with the dragon tattoo. During the interview, he said that there will be a lot of scenes with James Bond and Bérénice's character in Skyfall. So, it appears that she will be the main James Bond girl.
Also, Daniel had some difficulties in recognizing the French Bond girls lol.

[SecretAgentFan]

maybe Bonds loyalty is tested by "M" when he discovers his parents didn't die in a mountain climbing accident but rather "M" had them killed.

i really feel like i hit the bulls eye on this one, what do you guys think?

Twisty, but soapy. And what could Bond do with that? He would have to turn against M, become rogue again. Please don´t...

[Captain Tightpants]

i really feel like i hit the bulls eye on this one, what do you guys think?

To be honest?

I find it ridiculously over-cliched.

[Pussfeller]

The Bruce Wayne Special. Not only is it hackneyed, it's too trivial to move the plot. The stakes simply have to be higher than that. For one thing, it wouldn't be a "dangerous" secret if it pertains only to the private life of a single agent. And it's not as if Bond would respond by immediately betraying MI6 to the baddies. The worst he might do is resign, or request a reassignment. More likely, he'd just demand to know why oh why, and M would tell him, or not tell him, and he'd be forced to accept it, bottle up his anger, and focus on the mission at hand. Conflict averted.

M's secret has to be something that would damage MI6 and the nation if it were revealed, something that falls along a faultline of existing mistrust. Bond and M are too close for their relationship to be shattered by an ancient cobwebby skeleton in the closet. But what about M and the "-covering prigs" of the government? If M hates her superiors, imagine how they feel about her, and what they might do if they were provided with evidence of her malfeasance. It's conceivable that M's adversaries might try to enlist Bond in their conspiracy, using rumors of M's complicity in the death of his parents, but there's no way that that's the big, dark secret at the heart of everything.

[Shrublands]

It having anything to do with the death of Bond’s parents is too like something from the fan fiction of a teenager – no.

[007jamesbond]

I am thinking that the 8 deaths will be a important piece of the plot....could be how Bond start his investigation
like:

• Who is it about? the reason behind the deaths
• What happened? how did 8 agents died?
• Where did it take place? the location of 8 agents
• When did it take place? what time did it take place?
• Why did it happen? what was the goal here
• How did it happen how did it killed the 8 agents

Edited by 007jamesbond, 20 January 2012 - 07:05 PM.