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[Marketto007]

MI6 featured in the new Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 game. We'll be seeing a similar threat in "SkyFall"?



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[Captain Tightpants]

I hope not. MODERN WARFARE is the death of storytelling (in video games, at least).

[Germanlady]

Rather good:

http://filmedge.word...ion-of-skyfall/

Source DTD

[Captain Tightpants]

Interesting, indeed. Maybe "Skyfall" is an internal MI6 code, a kind of warning that they have intelligence of an upcoming attack, but have reason to doubt that credibility and so hesitate in informing the public because they believe the panic will do more damage than the attack itself if it happens.

[Germanlady]

Not plot, but confirmation, that its gonna be more fun then QOS



Javier on how solid the script is

Edited by Germanlady, 10 November 2011 - 07:20 PM.

[Jim]

This is after half a bottle of something a bit too nice not to finish the other half; here goes.

Skyfall is an end-of-the world cult whose utterly bonkers / misunderstood Great Architect is Mr Feinnes's character; it is rumoured to have associations within the British establishment (sort of Opus Dei with a bit more in the madness pot). The major belief is that the sky will fall (hence the name) by a comet crashing into London (basically using the Halley's Comet idea scrapped for A View to a Kill) creating a nuclear winter, heralded by a series of shocking events preceding the end of the world. These shocking events are undertaken and engineered by Mr Bardem's character, who Bond has been after since, ooh, let's say the pre-credits sequence which has some ostensibly unrelated event in which Mr Bardem gets away and Bond actually up; let's say that's this sequence in London with wounded people etc. and Bond fails to prevent an explosion (or his actions accelerate it).

Because of this up, M is put out to grass and replaced by Mr Finney's character, and the 00 section is disbanded; Bond is fired. All things come to pass (I'm skirting over this because I haven't thought this through and want to get back to the wine; it's giving me a cheeky look) whereby Bond is tricked into believing that M is a member of the Skyfall cult having joined it at university. Bond is briefed by Finney, ostensibly flattering Bond into keeping him as a "private" 00, into an attempt on her life to hush everything up. Various matters come to light that this isn't the case and it all comes to pass that Finney is behind the attacks to gain control of the British Government, using Mr Bardem's organisation to destabilise everything. What he hasn't banked on is Mr Feinnes and Mr Bardem - a Falklands veteran out for revenge - being deadly serious and (somehow) diverting the course of a comet to land on London (a sort of Moonraker vibe there) and it all goes a bit batpoo mental at the end meaning that Bond and the now-back-on-his-side British Army / Navy / both / either / whoever storm the castle headquarters of Mr Feinnes' organisation and things go bang. There are women involved. I have no idea how the comet doesn't land.

There's the scratch of an idea there but it's probably the wine typing. About which...

[Skudor]

This is after half a bottle of something a bit too nice not to finish the other half; here goes.

Skyfall is an end-of-the world cult whose utterly bonkers / misunderstood Great Architect is Mr Feinnes's character; it is rumoured to have associations within the British establishment (sort of Opus Dei with a bit more in the madness pot). The major belief is that the sky will fall (hence the name) by a comet crashing into London (basically using the Halley's Comet idea scrapped for A View to a Kill) creating a nuclear winter, heralded by a series of shocking events preceding the end of the world. These shocking events are undertaken and engineered by Mr Bardem's character, who Bond has been after since, ooh, let's say the pre-credits sequence which has some ostensibly unrelated event in which Mr Bardem gets away and Bond actually up; let's say that's this sequence in London with wounded people etc. and Bond fails to prevent an explosion (or his actions accelerate it).

Because of this up, M is put out to grass and replaced by Mr Finney's character, and the 00 section is disbanded; Bond is fired. All things come to pass (I'm skirting over this because I haven't thought this through and want to get back to the wine; it's giving me a cheeky look) whereby Bond is tricked into believing that M is a member of the Skyfall cult having joined it at university. Bond is briefed by Finney, ostensibly flattering Bond into keeping him as a "private" 00, into an attempt on her life to hush everything up. Various matters come to light that this isn't the case and it all comes to pass that Finney is behind the attacks to gain control of the British Government, using Mr Bardem's organisation to destabilise everything. What he hasn't banked on is Mr Feinnes and Mr Bardem - a Falklands veteran out for revenge - being deadly serious and (somehow) diverting the course of a comet to land on London (a sort of Moonraker vibe there) and it all goes a bit batpoo mental at the end meaning that Bond and the now-back-on-his-side British Army / Navy / both / either / whoever storm the castle headquarters of Mr Feinnes' organisation and things go bang. There are women involved. I have no idea how the comet doesn't land.

There's the scratch of an idea there but it's probably the wine typing. About which...

Not sure about the comet, but I very much like the rest. The Bond shoots M angle has never been brought to screen - it's about time.

[Captain Tightpants]

Instead of a comet, how about firing a nuclear missile at the "terminator line", the static line between the light and the dark sides of the moon? Such an explosion, timed correctly, would cause a mushroom cloud that would be back-lit by the sun and be visible to everyone on earth. The villains could have "predicted" this happening in advance, as a sign of the apocalypse.

[Pierce - Daniel]

Bond with the beard must mean something. I think you may have something when you say that the 00 brand is disbanded, it would explain why Bond is so dischellved. I quite like the idea of Bond and M going it along.

[DamnCoffee]

Honestly thought you just said "I quite like the idea of Bond and M going at it all along."

[The Shark]

Honestly thought you just said "I quite like the idea of Bond and M going at it all along."

Ya know, I wouldn't mind that. Would put all the mother/son "can I trust you" bollocks to its oedipal conclusion.

[Dustin]

You think she could trust him after? No, she'd have to shoot him before he blabs in the canteen.

[Captain Tightpants]

Found this idiot in a video posted on the other forums:



He claims the following:

- Daniel Craig is currently filming in India.
- The story will be a straight adaptation of You Only Live Twice (with a few tweaks).
- Ralph Fiennes is running a company called "Skyall" that is a front for a collective of smugglers who control the drug trade.
- Fiennes' character is supposedly someone that nobody has ever seen before; he killed the only people (005 and 006) who ever got close.
- Fiennes' will be an ally to Bond, offering to give him the names and locations of every rival smuggler in exchange for a favour.
- Javier Bardem will play "Ernest Blofield"; the small favour Fiennes asks of Bond is to kill him.
- Filming will take place in Japan once India wraps up.
- An "official synopsis" will be released next week.

The video was uploaded two days ago (though it may have been filmed some time ago). Whatever the case, it's riddled with errors.

[Germanlady]

Could be true, I think and what a good choice, too...

http://www.thesun.co...get-geek-Q.html

[David Schofield]

Could be true, I think and what a good choice, too...

http://www.thesun.co...get-geek-Q.html

Total bollocks, Fraulein:

"... a rival in the hunk department"

"Handsome Ben..."

See waht I'm getting at?

[Germanlady]

Could be true, I think and what a good choice, too...

http://www.thesun.co...get-geek-Q.html

Total bollocks, Fraulein:

"... a rival in the hunk department"

"Handsome Ben..."

See waht I'm getting at?

Well yes, mein Herr. The hunk department is bullocks, but still I say, its possible and still a good choice. He would be a nerdy Q lecturing Bond with the arrogance of the youth. But I think, it would be very fitting for our times, as its the nerds, who are the big inventors of our times. Me likey...

Edited by Germanlady, 25 November 2011 - 08:40 AM.

[David Schofield]

Could be true, I think and what a good choice, too...

http://www.thesun.co...get-geek-Q.html

Total bollocks, Fraulein:

"... a rival in the hunk department"

"Handsome Ben..."

See waht I'm getting at?

Well yes, mein Herr. The hunk department is bullocks, but still I say, its possible and still a good choice. He would be a nerdy Q lecturing Bond with the arrogance of the youth. Me likey...

I think we're on the same wavelength: my point was the Sun doesn't do its credibility any good on the point by suggesting Ben is either a hunk-rival for Craig or what might be termed handsome.

I do agree with both the Sun and you: Wishaw could easily be the new Q.

[Skudor]

Yay - The Sun got something right for once. Must have bugged someone's phone, or bought the story with a bag of heroin from someone's five year old kid.

[being sarcastic here - bloody hate the ing Sun]

[007jamesbond]

since the plot we know so far is about M past.....maybe we will finally know her real name? I know the novels post fleming has a name but I hope they reveal her name because we know the names of the past two M

[Guy Haines]

Skyfall's plot may have nothing to do with the last two movies in that the "Vesper" story arc plays no part. It can't really, Bond has (presumably) worked that out of his system. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Quantum syndicate isn't involved. DN or FRWL had nothing to do with TB or YOLT. The villains, however, all worked for the same outfit.

[Pussfeller]

I thought they explicitly stated that Quantum wouldn't be involved.

I suspect that whatever new organization appears in SF, it will eventually be revealed (in Bond 24) to have been one tentacle of a larger organization of which Quantum was also a part. This gradual development would allow Bond to have a fresh adventure in SF, one which is apparently (and functionally) unrelated to the events of the last two films, but still wrap everything up in Bond 24, and not waste the substantial effort that was spent building up the Quantum organization.

[Melack]

<3 Craig

[Shrublands]

"Filming going on near Tower Hill. Seems an awful lot of effort just for "realistic" lighting."
https://twitter.com/#!/spoodie/status/154938070834225153/photo/1

[ggl]

I think it´s a little bit soon to "deduce" or "imagine" all the story of Skyfall, but for those who like puzzles (me included), here is another piece of the story...

debrief.commanderbond.net/topic/61066-new-spanish-interview-jan-5th-about-a-chase/

[Skudor]

Spoiler and speculation warning (are those needed here?)!!

It just occurred to me that with all the chatter about Fiennes' (presumably) medium to small part (no pun intended) there's still nothing on Bardem's character, other than he's a nameless villain. Now, why does his character's name need to be such a secret? He's definitely the villain, that's confirmed. We know Fiennes is a government agent (very likely ends up as M), Harris is Eve - an incompetent agent (who possibly ends up being Fienne's Ms Moneypenny by the end - sigh - or at least will have an amusing surname, aka agent Field's amusing first name), McCrory is an MP with a dull name (I'm going out on a limb and trusting IMDB on this) and Whishaw is Q (whether Boothroyd or not).

But Finney and Bardem remain nameless, and while I've seen plenty of speculation on Finney (gov't mandarin or ex brother in arms who may or may not bring about DD-M's demise - I really hope that isn't the dull 'disgraceful exit' but rather a bloody demise) it strikes me that Bardem's presumably larger role is so far a complete mystery. Is the secrecy there just for the sake of it (McCrory's dull alter ego came out easily enough)?

I know there's been talk of a certain TWINE vibe about Skyfall. But I'm getting a certain Thunderball, with a twist, vibe. The idea that there's a hunt for something (fallen satellite hiding a secret), the number of extras playing MI6 agents (perhaps MI6 is attacked during a Thunderball style briefing) not to mention the name Skyfall (a construct in the vein of Thunderball in more ways than one). There's a certain flavour here, for sure.

While I find it hard to believe in a remake (and officially it is not a remake), there's a scenario here where Bardem is Largo and Finney the pussy stroking leader of the gang. Just sayin'. I must say, it seems very unlikely, though. A TB inspired flick is one thing, remaking it again with the same character's is another - and Skyfall is very explicitly an original story.

So, what other 'known' villain could Bardem be playing? If it's a known villain, then I think, frankly the only option is Blofeld. They don't remake films and there are no other recurring villains (bar Mr White). And what's more classic Bond than Blofeld?

The name could also be a secret for plot reasons, although none occur to me at this point. He's the main villain, we know that.

Of course, it could just be a secret for the sake of the it, to help hide the pack of single letter characters and their secretaries above. If so, the red herring has just become the only remaining mystery.

[Captain Tightpants]

I don't think Bardem is playing a villain who is shrouded in secrecy by design - it's just happened that way. A journalist at the press conference claimed he saw a sheet with the man of Bardem's character written on it; apparently it was "Damiel Joel Ristori" or "Damon John Ristori" or some such. This remains unconfirmed.

I think that before the press conference, the actors were told what details they could give and what details they could not. But they were either told - or decided among themselves - that they could only reveal that information if asked by the press. When it came time for questions and answers, Baz Bamigboye decided that the most pressing issue was Berenice Marlohe and Naomie Harris; he kept trying to bait Harris into admitting that she was playing Moneypenny, and his questions were opened-ended, probably in an attempt to encourage other journalists to keep pushing her if she did not admit it. So the focus of the press conference quickly became the girls, and despite being the primary villain and the film's biggest signing, Javier Bardem largely got overlooked. He got asked the general "What does Bond mean to you?" questions, but he was never asked to elaborate on his role. Whether or not he could give details of the role is open to debate, but once the press conference was over, I doubt he and/or EON saw fit to give details simply because nobody asked. It's one more card they get to keep close to their chest, and by sheer luck - and Bamigboye's need to have Harris admit what he had been saying all along (thanks for that, Baz) - it's an ace.

[Skudor]

Wasn't the DJR thing found to have been the name of a reporter who was at the press conference?

Your analysis of the events is as speculative as it is plausible - could very well be the case. Equally, Bardem's character was specifically mentioed as uber secret by Mendes (apart from him being a or the villain). Then it all focussed on the "are you Moneypenny" stuff - true (and understandable given that the press loves to cover the girls and Monepenny is very iconic - and was all very brief and short on details or interesting questions.

But Bardem's character was just as secret as the rest - and I guess the catch-all interpretation of that is that in order to hide Q, M (and possibly Monepenny) it was best to say as little as possible about anyone who wasn't obvious (Craig, Dench and a couple of other repeaters).

[Jim]

Perhaps he's Moneypenny?

[Skudor]

Senor Monepenny...

Hmmm...

"Oh, Ghellloo Jhames - vhere have djou bin noughty boy!"

Could work.

[Vauxhall]

Right, so the military funeral is scene 35 in the movie. From memory, that's the earliest scene number we're aware of so far. Captain T is much better at hypothesising about how certain scenes fit together, but I'd guess that means MI6 gets attacked fairly on in the piece, and Bond (pictured in his scruffy phase at the underground bunker) then becomes involved in the investigation etc etc.